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This mess is corporate driven. So are politics and that’s why we are in this mess.
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You continue to prove my point Kaleem bhaijaan.. this brainchild of Tipsy Teddy was midwived by Juan McCain .. he's equally, if not more sympathetic to this invasion of illegals and granting of Amnesty.
Till you realize and admit that the Republicans are in it, you'll continue to be led to false solutions proposed by insiders like OG.. The 'fence' or 'wall' is laughable.. all it does is generate million dollar projects for a chosen few..
If anyone is serious about curtailing illegal immigration, the crackdown begins at the IRS and banks and corporations and federally sanctioned/protected programs.. not at the border.
You continue to prove my point as well. I left this part out last time, but since you paid no heed to the hidden message last time, here it is, opening sentence from my thread starter
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I am ashamed and shocked at the responses and actions or lack thereof by the politicians from both aisles about the current immigration reform bill. These cowards are ready to sell america for the right price.
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Herein lies the problem with your idea.... it is all well and good to make such points that the banks and corporations should be held accountable and not hold the actual law makers responsible.
You need laws that address both problems, any illegal criminal caught in US should be deported regardless of the circumstances. Employer should be held accountable for breaking the law and will be fined accordingly.
You live in a fool's world if you think that one can be achieved without the other. Open border is a joke. It needs to be secured (regardless of who makes the money). All Illegals need to be deported .... they can reapply for this sham of a z-visa, pay their fines and pay all the back taxes they owe...
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Bohooo… individuals have no responsibility…its all big bad corporations. Yes, not enforcing any of the laws already on the books is not a problem… making the border patrol agents into enemies (trait perfected by dems and libs) is not a problem.
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Kaleem, you live in a fools world if you dont realize the reason there aren't laws (and the ones there are, aren't enforced) is because the law makers are in the back pocket of the corporations.
To (try to) stop the supply instead of addressing the demand is as foolish as trying to stop drugs from coming into the country when there is a huge demand.
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You will continue to put your head in the sand if you will not face the fact that illegals are ruining the economic structure of this country. There are no ifs and buts, they need to be sent back. If they are so inclined to come back...let them come back through proper channels... in order to achieve that you need secure borders... I know its logical and is hard for a lib to understand, but go ahead give it a try...its not that complicated. Now, when you deport these criminals...guess what these corporations loose all of their underpaid workers ... so you get to be happy watching them executives cry.
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^ I agree. If they had any intention of correcting the problem they would have targeted businesses who hire illegal immigrants. Oh, that's right, we love those $200,000 2600 square feet homes in the midwest and $2.00 a pint strawberries. Until consumers here are willing to pay more for the lifestyle we enjoy, the problem of illegal workers really cannot be addressed.
I will be more than willing to pay more for groceries.
first of all there are plenty of hard working people around the world who would give their left nut for an opportunity to come to US and work minimum wage. so Mexicans are not doing us any favour
secondly, nothing is free..what u or I save in groceries cost, we pay in increased property taxes.
ask school disctricts what they are dealing with. ask municipal health services what they deal with.
But shutting off services to illegals is not an option all bleeding hearts start having palpitations that that.
so while they may be costing less to businesses, they are costing people more because we have to fund their kids education, we have to pay for their healthcare. something they are not contributing in.
I am all for goign after businesses that hire them, but there is no reason to not secure the border and to tighten controls.
as far as prices of things go, market forces will bring them to a level that is real. thats fine with me.
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^ Thank you Fraudia for putting it in eloquent terms... you know me I like to say the same thing with a flavor that is so "Kaleem's".
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Let's assume they are ruining the economy and that we have the ability to round them all up and send them back (I wonder where we are going to get all the busses when they all line up to catch the bus back to Mexico).
I know it's hard for conservative, myopic-minded zealots to understand, but you won't be able to keep them out any more then you can keep out the illegal drugs when there is such a demand for their labor. If we are going to deport them all, then at the same time we need to spend billions and billions to (try and) secure the borders AND stop companies and individuals from hiring illegals at the same time. That's IF one can even determine who is illegal. The GOP (formerly with Libertarian values) wants a national ID card. What if they think you look 'foreign' and require you to carry a national ID? Why don't we just stamp 666 on our foreheads and be done with it.
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^ Thank you Fraudia for putting it in eloquent terms... you know me I like to say the same thing with a flavor that is so "Kaleem's".
u are welcome, although i dont know how eloquent my example of ppl willing to give up their left nut was :D
Re: Fleecing of America- One Illegal at a time.
seminole
control control control. give the people work permits, but they have to pay fines, they ahve to go through background checks, they have to go thru health checks. those who meet the requirments get work permits and pay taxes, and later could apply for immigration.
it can not be a free for all. and that is what it is right now.
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Fraudia, I have no problem with any of that, I concur. But at the same time we have to stop offering them jobs.
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ignorance is hilarious.
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^^ coming from you queer, its more like a compliment :)
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Fraudia, I have no problem with any of that, I concur. But at the same time we have to stop offering them jobs.
I agree.
Re: Fleecing of America- One Illegal at a time.
Fraudia, I have no problem with any of that, I concur. But at the same time we have to stop offering them jobs.
And import landscaping coolies from India on Hach-1...
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Indian tech coolies remind me of science fiction stories about aliens coming to earth and leaving a beacon to be able to come back later.
I deal with a lot of Tata, and Infosys folks, and almost everyone who is here from india on a 12 month rotation manages to have a baby in US. I mean u gotta give it to them for thinking way ahead. Thats some planning.
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^ I haven't. Infact one of my friends went to India to have his baby. After few years he moved back for good.
PS - There were no immigration issues.
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o yaar dont take it as a diss, I am inpressed by the planning. its legal, nothing wrong with it. takes some thinking ahead for the kids future. of course at 18 kid can sponsor them and they can come to US .. unless congress changes the laws on relatives sponsoring.
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^ I agree. There must be more stringent controls when employers hire people, and there should be more accountability from employers. The government could end the hiring of cheap labor on construction crews, restaurants, farmers, and landscaping companies (four of the BIG offenders) by appointing regulators to ensure that paperwork is in order, fining, and finally pulling the licenses of those businesses who are not in compliance. If there were true risks to businesses, the practice of hiring illegals would slow drastically.
Mexico in particular must be forced to address the problem. The most effective method is to tie foreign aid directly to border enforcement on the Mexican side. If a certain percentage are caught per year by the US border patrol, cut aid by a set percentage. It is very controversial and would never pass, but it would work.
This debate changed the moment the language we use changed. Instead of "illegals" we now have "undocumented workers" or "migrant workers". The fact remains that these people are breaking the law, and the US government is endorsing it. What other criminal activity could you indulge in with the expectation of a full pardon? (unless Bill Clinton was a close personal friend)
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Indian tech coolies remind me of science fiction stories about aliens coming to earth and leaving a beacon to be able to come back later.
I deal with a lot of Tata, and Infosys folks, and almost everyone who is here from india on a 12 month rotation manages to have a baby in US. I mean u gotta give it to them for thinking way ahead. Thats some planning.
At the university my husband teaches at, many of the visiting professors from Asian countries manage to have children during their two-year tenure. I've already been to at least four baby showers this year.
I've also noticed a trend among our desi friends who have the resources to bring their bhabis or nands here on a visitor's visa to give birth. They usually come at around 4-5 months, before they are obviously showing. Given that it takes around 15 years or so to have a sibling visa approved, it's not a bad plan.