I know that Fish is automatically halaal, as long as it has been removed from the water alive, regardless of who has done the fishing. However, what about other seafood, such as Lobster, and Crab, or Shark, etc. Are they also halaal, or does this only apply to fish?
I have only heard about the issue of bones... i.e. if a sea-creature has bones, its permissible to eat. Prawns/shrimps are the only exception I know, where they are not deemed haraam, but merely makrooh.
So, based on this, sharks, lobsters etc should be ok, reardless of who catches them.
prawns and shrimps are makrooh? According to who? And why?
[5:96] Lawful to you is the game of the sea and its food, a provision for you and for the travellers, and the game of the land is forbidden to you so long as you are on pilgrimage, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, to Whom you shall be gathered.
PakistaniAbroad: I don't see no bones with this.
The differences of opinion on this issue arise from variations in understanding the following Qur’anic texts (as well as some hadith on the topic):
“Lawful to you is the game of the sea and its food, a provision for you and for the travellers, and the game of the land is forbidden to you so long as you are on pilgrimage, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, to Whom you shall be gathered.” (5:96)
“And He it is Who has made the sea subservient that you may eat fresh flesh from it and bring forth from it ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships cleaving through it, and that you might seek of His bounty and that you may give thanks.” (16:14)
“Nor are the two bodies of flowing water alike - the one palatable, sweet, and pleasant to drink, and the other, salt and bitter. Yet from each (kind of water) do you eat flesh fresh and tender…” (35:12)
The preponderant view seems to be that we take the general import of these verses and so whatever lives in the sea and can be captured from it is permitted for consumption. However, others restrict the meaning of these verses to fish only and especially exclude those sea creatures that are able survive out of the water for long periods of time or live on both land and sea.
For examples of these views, see here, here and here.
And Allah knows best.
Iqbal
I am sure I read somewhere that fish without scales should not be eaten. Need to dig out the reason for that.
Plus a correction, that lobsters may not be permissible as well. Then again, this is a matter of discussion and Hanafi school of thought is most strict on its definition of sea-creatures and disallow prawns, while the remaining three allow prawns. Dunno the reason for the big dispute there.
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I am sure I read somewhere that fish without scales should not be eaten. Need to dig out the reason for that.
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I heard about that too....:)
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I am sure I read somewhere that fish without scales should not be eaten. Need to dig out the reason for that.
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Yeah, I heard something of the sort as well. Anything without scales is not halaal, except for shrimp, etc.
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I am sure I read somewhere that fish without scales should not be eaten. Need to dig out the reason for that.
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I think its Shias who do not eat fish which has no scales. Don't know the reason why
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I am sure I read somewhere that fish without scales should not be eaten. Need to dig out the reason for that.
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i belive thats a shia methodolgy.
i mean i have heard of this from shia friends
but never heard of anything like this in sunni communtiy
aite FreT.
about ur question.
well i am not quite sure how rite i am
and well na i dont even have anything to state my point.
its just one of those friendly conversation which u get in with bunch of ppl.
well i asked some pretty knowledgeable ppl about islam.
i got different answers.
some says their is certain weight limit.
which don't make much sense to me.
other says as long as the creature is not fatal.. mean its not a killer its halal.
now here the argument arises that even small fishes eat fishes smaller then them wich ultimately makes them killer as well.
well maybe from killer they mean which attack humans
again not very vaild reason.
so so so its quite a jigsaw puzzle u got there.
everybody has some thing 2 say and in the end u still can't get the rite shape.
and as far as it goes for shrimps and lobsters heard its makrooh not haram.
well makrooh is something which is not considered haram but according to their appearence and some other attributes they are claimed to be makrooh by islamic shariya.
Of note is that fish without scales is prohibited also in the Bible:
"These you can eat from all creatures that are in the water: any creatures in the water that do not have fins and scales, whether in the sea or in the streams, you may eat. But any creatures that do not have fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the streams, from all the swarming things of the water and from all the living creatures that are in the water, are detestable to you. Since they are detestable to you, you must not eat their meat and their carcass you must detest. Any creature in the water that does not have fins and scales is detestable to you." (Leviticus 11:9-12)
I think i'm right in saying that Jews still apply this prohibition and consequently do not view fish without scales as being kosher (?)
Iqbal
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I think i'm right in saying that Jews still apply this prohibition and consequently do not view fish without scales as being kosher (?)
Iqbal
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Those who follow biblical dietary laws follow these directions and do not eat shellfish etc.
Yeah, following up Fraudia's point, what's written in the bible is of interest value only, doesn't really give any answers to what seafood is halal. Otherwise Sunday would be the holy day rather than Friday.
Is there anything specific on this?
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*Yeah, following up Fraudia's point, what's written in the bible is of interest value only... *
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That was the idea, for "interest value only".
Iqbal
Thanks Iqbal for the interest value but what Fret's asking for is which seafood is halal. As someone who isn't sure myself, I'd appreciate something a bit more specific from anyone who can provide it.
all forms of seafood…YUM!!!
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Thanks Iqbal for the interest value but what Fret's asking for is which seafood is halal. As someone who isn't sure myself, I'd appreciate something a bit more specific from anyone who can provide it.
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See my first post above for my earlier input. The links i gave there might be of some help.
Iqbal
yes I saw that but then Faisal said:
"Hanafi school of thought is most strict on its definition of sea-creatures and disallow prawns, while the remaining three allow prawns. "
Afterwards he did qualify that statement by saying he wasn't sure. So I take it there's nothing specific?
I believe ‘fish with scales’ ruling originate from Hazrat Ali (Razi allah tallah anha). However, I believe its widely accepted even amongst sunni scholars (see following paragraph on prawns). And as Iqbal pointed out, its nothing new, and is part of biblical teachings too.
re: Prawns, hanafi school of thought considers them non-permissible (, but the remaining three (Hanbali, Shafii and Malaki) consider it permissible. Lobster is deemed as similar to prawns (bigger ofcourse) so the same difference of opinion carries through. Point to note, that even the other three scholars only gave permission for prawns (and lobsters). So, other creatures like squids etc are also prohibited under their interpretation.
So depending on which evidence you find more convincing, you can decide whether you can eat prawns or not. Regarding other sea creatures, if you go by ‘fish with scales’ ruling then it becomes relatively easy, else you should check for a specific item. It is generally advised to error on the side of caution.
Searching the internet, for this question, on a website, I did read that:
*We are allowed to eat any fish as long as it has scales. All other sea creatures such as whales, sharks, turtles, lobsters and crabs are Haraam. *
I am not sure about the authenticity of this ruling or the credibility of the website. Another website which has some information (again I am not vouching for its credibility) is this