First Roza?

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The idea is that since the position of the moon and the sun relevant to any point on the earth, at any point in time, is always known, you can tell before hand if the earth, moon, and sun and going to be lined in a way that produces a visible moon on a particular day.

The only thing that should prevent a moon sighting on such a day is cloud cover.

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Sunday in Birminghamstan.........................

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I agree with Saadiya. First of Ramadan in Houston depends on the moon sighting.

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I'm not very knowledgeable about the details of preset lunar dates. Are the dates announced mere forecasts (that might change) or are they actual days with no doubts and discrepancies, and are more like facts?

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Listen to Chairman of Fiqh Counsil N.A. Dr. Muzzamil Siddiqi on Astronomical Calculations

My Email to him and other ISNA representatives:

AsSalaam-O-Alaikum:

Dear Dr. Muzzamil Siddiqi:

The decision to use Astronomical calculations contradicts the basic fundamental concept given by the prophet (SAW) for sighting the moon through “naked” eye. It is only possible when a moon rises above the horizon at a certain level, which can rightly be deteremined by astronomical calculations. Your statement that the moon will be seen in California and will be visible for only 8 minutes simply proves that the moon will not be above the horizon in the EAST COAST at the sunset; and how can that moon be treated as start of Ramadhan in East Coast where the sun will set exactly three hours before sunset in California? It seems like you have changed your Qiblah to California.

If you believe in “Ijmaah-e-Khulafa-e-Rashideen,” then you must know that a moon sighted by a caravan about 100 miles from Madinah was not considered as a witness for ending of Ramadhan in Madinah Munawwarah by the Caliph Syedana Umer Al Farooq (RA) and the decision was based on the discussion given above; and exactly according to the astronomical calculations and positions of the moon from place to place.

As for the timings of salah, as an excuse given by you, it may be kept in mind that the concept of timings given by the prophet (SAW) is met and duly verified through practical observations otherwise we should also pray in EAST COAST according to California. And please kindly inform me via the email why the salah timings can not be synchronized. Your decision is the violation of the astronomical data available from place to place… This decision amounts to violating the orders of the Prophet (SAW) for “sighting” of the moon for start and ending of the any of the Islamic months and consequently defies Almighty - The Allah (SWT).

Regards,
Your Humble Brother in Islam
Anwar-ul-Islam Qureshi

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moonsighting.com calculates that Ramadan will start on Saturday in north america.

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The ISNA this year decided to go by calculation to have unity among the muslims in N America. I believe ISNA intention is to have unity not that they want to impose their own opinion or anything like that. Now even within ISNA there are two opinions based on calculation. One’s calculation says it should be on Saturday and another opinon is that it should be on Sunday.

Now the proper way to decide about Ramadan as Prophet Muhammad :saw: made it clear in one of the hadith.

  1. First option is to sight the moon, if the moon is sighted locally than Ramadan starts.

  2. If 2 RELIBLE people sighted the moon in neighbouring country than the Ramadan can be started.

  3. If both of the above options are not available than simply complete 30 days of Shaban and start the Ramadan.

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Their calculation could be right but thats not how Ramadan should be decided. Just my opinion.

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heard the moon was sighted in S.Arabia tonite..

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sudAy foe show

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Sighs, Unity? STOP WITH THE " IN THE NAME OF UNITY"

ISNA is NOT doing that! AT ALL. ITs further dividing the NAmerican Ummah into two halves.

Unity isn't having ramazan at the same time as saudi.

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**ICNA Position on the start of Ramadan **Friday, 22 September 2006 In the Name of Allah, the most Compassionate, the most Merciful

“O you who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed to those before you so that you may attain God consciousness” - (Al-Quran 2:183)

Ramadan, the month of great blessings and rewards, is just a few days away. May Allah, subhanahu wa ta’ala, enable us all to reap the rewards of this great month.

"The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) has traditionally adopted the opinion of sighting the moon in North America . On the advice of ICNA’s Scholars Committee, we have decided to continue following our existing approach and will not be adopting a calendar which is primarily based on calculations.

**An overwhelming majority of the National Shura Council’s members, in their meeting held on September 19, 2006, have also decided to go by the local moon sighting. However, for the sake of unity, we suggest that Muslims cooperate and follow their local Masjid and community, whether they follow our approach or not." **

Islam is not just a religion but ‘a way of life’. A Muslim submits to Allah, subhanahu wa ta’ala, not just in prayers and fasting but submission in all affairs of his or her life. And one important aspect of this submission lies in mutual respect and love for other Muslims and being part of the Muslim community.

“And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you) and be not divided among yourselves…” (Quran 3:103)

Let us all focus our attention on pleasing Allah, subhanahu wa ta’ala, our Lord, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.
http://www.icna.org/icna/index.php

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This is hillarious.

At first it was all about some sort of unity. Now that people aren't happy, they decided to go with the traditional (or the more accepted) method.

Could someone clarify what this means?

Is ISNA saying that we were wrong with our approach or we figured/feared the community's against us, so we'll stick to the traditional method? If they believe they are correct about the method they came up with, then why abandon it?

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^
The above is from ICNA and not from ISNA..

ISNA is still following Fiqh counsil which is apparently following saudi arabia in the disguise of astronomical calculations.... because even the US NAVY Observatory website is saying exactly what moonsighting is saying; no Ramadhan till Sunday atleast

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Moon has not been sighted in NA. ISNA along with some others are using a pre-calculated date to determine the start of ramadan and not relying on sighting of the moon. keep this in mine. First Roza is on Sunday.

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i know....we just cant be united in anything...it's quite a shame.

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we dont know what their intentions are....if they say they are trying to unite us...we just got to roll with it (take their word for it whether we follow them or not). Allah knows best.

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It's quite simple ppl!! GO WITH WHATEVER YOUR LOCAL IMAM OR MASJID IS TELLING YOU!! Unless you want to pray alone for Eid!

why do ppl make things so difficult.

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Taliyah because ALlah's religion is NOT something to be played around with.

Its simple.

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I don’t care when it starts… I’m fasting on Saturday anyway. Maybe it will count as a bonus, maybe it won’t, but I’ll be celebrating Eid in Bahrain inshallah so whichever date any mosque in North America starts Ramadan on or does Eid on just doesn’t matter at all :hula: