First example of terrorism in----

Hi!

Recently I have heard some speeches on NBN, vectone, Al-Alam, Fourat, Al-iraqeya , Al- Anwar, kuwaiti tv , bahraini tv etc etc

Most of them say that first example of terrorism was when , muslims took BAGH E FEITAK from Fatima zahra binte prophet mohammed(Pbuh) (her only interitance from father) with pressure by hitting fatima zahra-whose mother Khatija tul kubra had already given her 80 full boxes of Gold (as she was not only a richest lady , but also richest person as a business lady in Arab), to prophet mohammed (pbuh) for the cause of islam.

Second terrorism was when so called yazeed and his followers killed son in law of prophet mohammed and his every family member in karballa.

The third is perhaps now so called muslims of iraq and their neighbour hood enter iraq and kill iraqies. Is there any doubt that iraqies are being killed by muslims now.

Yes what america did was war not terrorism in a way, it was for wealth, or what ever reason??? this is common inthis world strong powers supress weak one and try to conquer. But killing muslims by muslims hands is terrorism. This is our muslims tradition. It is always there, whether any strong power attacks muslims or not??? Do nt say it is due to american attack, ever first time muslims are killing muslims.all over the world before 9/11, muslims do kill muslims without resevations ; it is documented, that muslim kill muslims in saudia , in pakistan, in all muslim countires.

It is not only jews or chiristians who kill muslims during war or to show their power or to conquer some muslim country.

this is what I have heart on above chnnels at different times. It is what I could gether from their speeches in general.

For a moment my mind says yes. what is your opinion.

Kindly be peaceful. It is a discussion forum , not a forum where we should be angry on each other. As our aim is to learn something good from all over. Thanks and regards

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:hehe:

ignorance at its height…

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How unfortunate the need for the word terrorism.

So much more unfortunate that such behavior exists.

Muslims kill other muslims. Christians kill other christiians. Jews kill other jews.

People kill other people.

We all kill each other.

We are in the 21st century and still we haven't learned how to get along.

Such a pointless way of living,

Why is it so easy for us to fight and so hard for us to hold hands?

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^
lack of proper education....

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true

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Greed mostly, for worldly pleasures, power, material possessions. Western countries (among others) seem to be leading the way at this time. Rest of the world is not far behind.

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dat is not true, i don’t remember the name of that respected hazrat but they fell ill and stayed @ home when hazrat imam hussein :razi: left with their kafila and after the tragic event of karbala, the pushtt of prophet :saw: continued via them.

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^ Although Imam Sajjad (as) was ill, He was present in kerbala and so was his son Imam Muhammed Baqir (as).

The child that was left behind was Imam Hussain's other daughter, Bibi Sughra. She was too ill to travel.

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mooli the hazrat i was referring 2 were hazrat zain-ul-abideen who were advised by their father hazrat imam hussein :razi:] to stay back as they were 2 ill 2 take the battlefield.

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luc

Imam Zainul Abideen’s :as: other name is Sajjad. He was present in Karbala..but too sick to even get up.

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The first example of terrorism linked to people who were once muslim was the murder of the Ameer-ul-Muslimeen Khalifa Ali Ibn Abu Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) by the Khawarij.

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sheraz didn't know they had 2 names cheers.

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^Not the murder of hazrat Umar Farooq?

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^^No, since that was a cause-celebre for them......

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No, because that was a domestic issue, he was murdered by one of his domestic slaves.

Ameer-ul-Muslimeen Khalifah Uthman (ra) was murdered in a power struggle, not terrorism.

But Ameer-ul-Muslimeen Khalifa Ali bin Abu Talib (ra) was murdered by a terrorists from a militant group his forces had defeated and executed the leaders of. The way the Khawarij operated following their defeat in conventional battle, through instead hiding and striking from shadows amongst civic society, is directly comparable to terrorists.

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maddie

how is #2 a murder due to power struggle and #3 not a murder due to ower struggle.
no matter what names you want to give it, both were assassinations due to power struggle.

and for #1- I would like to hear more about the reasons here, or was the domestic issue a cover up for other underlying political issues.

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#3 was not a power struggle. The Khawarij never expected to gain power through their attack, indeed they as a sect were destroyed by that stage. The murder was entirely motivated by the fanatical belief that it was a pious deed to kill Khalifah Ali (ra).

#1 seems to be recorded everywhere as nothing more than an act of anger by a Persian slave. No sources I’ve ever seen have suggested political machinations to be behind it - it was essentially just a run-of-the-mill murder.

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elaborate please.
and also comment how an assassination based on politics is not terrorism and one based on beliefs is?

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So terrorism has to be coupled with a pious belief...... thanks for clarifying the underlying definition of terrorism for us.

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Khawarjis were the troublemakers, with one motive to destablise Islamic Govt.

I agree with Mad_S

Huzrat usmaan (ra)'s shahaadat was purely due to his in-efficient control of govt and lenient policy towards troublemakers.