First cousin marriages leading cause of disabilities in Pakistani community in UK

I’m not surprised by this.

First cousin marriages leading cause of disabilities in Pakistani communities

Baroness Flather, a cross-bench peer, says it is ‘absolutely appalling’ that first cousin marriages in Pakistani communities are leading to ‘so much disability among children’

Baroness Flather, a former Tory who now sits as a cross-bencher, said in the House of Lords that it is “absolutely appalling” that first cousin marriages in Pakistani communities are leading to “so much disability among children”.

She said: "There are a lot of first-cousin marriages in certain communities, particularly among Pakistanis who come from the Pakistani Kashmir area. We know so much about DNA now, but there is so much disability among the children, which is absolutely appalling.

“You go to any such family and there will be four or five children, at least one or two of whom will have some disability. That is absolutely unacceptable, and if we cannot do anything about it, is it fair to the children?”

Baroness Flather, a former barrister who was born in the Pakistani city of Lahore when it was part of India, said: “Never mind the parents — it is not fair to the children that they should be allowed to become disabled because of a social practice. It is a social practice which does not belong in today’s age, when we know so much about DNA. There should at least be some rule which says that you must have a DNA examination before your marriage can be registered.”

First-cousin marriages, which are are legal in the UK, are practised within Britain’s Pakistani community, as well as among some Arab and African families. Medical data previously suggested that while British Pakistanis were responsible for 3 per cent of all births, they accounted for 30 per cent of British children born with a genetic illness.

The noble Baroness Flather also raised concerns about Sharia law, under which women struggle to get a divorce.

She said: "I know I am probably talking about Muslims, but we now have this business of sharia marriages. It is appalling that the man can get a divorce by just asking for it, while a woman may have to wait years, and may still not get it. She can get a British divorce, but not a sharia divorce.

Noble Lords may ask, “Why does that matter?”, and I asked that of those women. They replied, “It means that we can’t go to Pakistan”.

“If they go there, the husband can come and take the children away, no matter what age they are. In any case, the husband can take the children from a sharia marriage when they are seven. All marriages should be automatically registered in this country. It is not fair to the women that some British women — they are British women when they come here — are treated in a different and unacceptable way from others.”

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This has been discussed in Life1 a few times.. and as expected things usually got quite heated..

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Her concerns are legit. But what they're gonna do about it except talking and talking? Hypocrites...these politicians.

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What should the politicians do, Hareem?

Btw this thread has a lot of tags..

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This should be outlawed. I had a Bengali guy at work on Wednesday ask me why all Pakis marry their cousins. I kind of had to point out that this practice is mainly prevelant in the Mirpuri and Jhelumi communities - those into the whole biraadri shraadri bs.

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They should pass laws, take initiatives instead of just pointing the problems in this community and that community. Their talk breeds nothing but hatred...it provides a platform to far-right groups to b!tch about immigarants and ethnic communities.

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A valid concern is raised and although, I don't know how the system works in Pakistan, the thought of educating the people of Pakistan, especially those engaging in the first marriage cousin practice comes to mind. If taught about the possibilities and liabilities, then those families may think twice before marrying off their sons and daughters to their cousins.

Edit: So apparently this is an issue in the UK as well, from what I understand by the title. The UK has more resources and technological/scientific advancement than Pakistan. The only way I see this happening in the UK is when immigrants settle carrying their customs and culture without assimilating and learning the ways of the new land. It's not acceptable that they are not provided education on this practice living in UK.

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Oh and instead of wasting money on teaching young kids about anal sex teach them the dangers of repeated cousin marriages....that would be more "productive".

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All this plus the fact that cousin marriages leads to other diseases like Thalassemia. Imagine studying in uni and being told that country one of the highest cases of Thalassemia is pakistan followed closely by Arab countries. It's appalling that people keep on doing this to reproduce children to eventually die that too at such a young age. Just insane.

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I don't think cousin marriages are all that bad if done correctly, such as with the correctly genetic screening before being engaged etc.

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Atleast by talking they are creating awareness about this problem.

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This cousin marriage thing won't go away until people become educated, start integrating in the society and stop looking for people in their own goth/pindh/khala-ka-beta/Mamoo-ka-beta etc and become more accepting of people from a different background, cast, creed, color, village etc.

Its the parents job. I doubt government intervention in this matter would do much. But the new generation in UK is educated so I believe this trend would die off at least in the West as more kids burst from the bubble of arranged marriages. Or maybe I am too naive too think that. Don't know lol

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Have you guys heard of rats of shah dola? People say those are the result of cousin marriages too, don't know how true that is.

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This is compulsory in some places, isn't it

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Thats a good way out but get ready to hear a big “haww haaee” in our country if someone suggests it upfront.. :chai:

But in reality who is going to actually go ahead and get tests done. Alot of people will just say its family its okay nothing happens, and quite rightly so not all cousin marriages result in disabled children but risks are there

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In our culture can't see many people wanting to bother with genetic tests.. it's 'kismet' when it comes to that yet strangely not when it comes to safety in other aspects of our lives..

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There would probably be outrage in certain communities if repeated cousin marriages were discouraged (not that that should be an excuse of course)..

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Actually you are right. The case of cousin marriages and diseases was so bad in uae that they introduced such tests before marriage. One has to receive their test results then go to the imam for nikah. Without these results they don't proceed.
The best part is that the tests are compulsory for everyone, not such between cousins but anybody who wishes to get married. It's a wonderful step forward, one I think other countries should follow too.

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Htm, could other governments justify compulsory tests when problems aren't so prevalent?