Re: Final Islamic Verdict on Gayness
*"I wish people acted more repsonsibly in fields they are no experts atleast. I wish people put-asides their egos atleasts somtimes and submit to what is right." *
You keep bringing up the issue of "Egos". The issue here is not EGOS. You don't seem to realize that** MOST** people on this thread are** NOT** supporting or encouraging homosexuality. Here you are.......saying that you wish people will "submit to what is right." ** Well.............is anyone saying that homsexuality is allowed in Islam? Have **I **said that? Has **Psquared said that? Has *Mama Of 3 **said that? Has **Queer **said that? Has **TT01 * said that? The answer is *NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! * If we had said that homosexuality is NOT a sin and that it IS allowed in Islam.............................then you can accuse us of **"not submitting to what is right." **But since we are not making such comments............then you can't say that we are supporting homosexuality.
Are you trying to prove to us that you are RIGHT about Islam's stance/verdict on homosexuality? Because there's no need to do that. We all know that it's prohibited in Islam. Even TT01 knows Islam's stance on homosexuality. He only wanted to know what people thought about gay desis. And he got several opinions and some guidance. BUT at the end of the day, it's his decision how he chooses to lead his life. If your purpose in creating this thread was to clear up any confusion about Islam's stance on homosexuality, then that's understandable. BUT....if your purpose is to prove that you are RIGHT about Islam's views about homosexuality...............then it's not necessary because most of us are well aware of those views. This is not a competition of who is right and who is wrong. Anyone can do their research and find out what Islam says about a particular issue..................it is not a difficult task to do.
"If anybody doubts on any of my statements in the Islamic Stance towards gayness, you are more than welcome go check me with a Sunni-scholar."
Has anyone of us said that you are wrong? Has anyone of us said that Islam condones homosexuality? NO! Just because we are not on an active mission to preach about homosexuality does not mean that we have doubts about your statements.
**"And you want to repeat the mistake of having mercy?" (Quote)
**So what would you like us to do? Do you want us to round up all the homosexuals and condemn them to hell? Do you want us to hunt for homosexuals and preach to them? Do you want us to impose/force/pressure them? Do you want us to breathe down their necks and continue preaching until they repent to Allah??????????? The best that a person can do is to guide gently and then leave the person alone to decide their path in life. There are etiquette regarding guidance as well. And guidance that is done in the wrong way........can do more damage than good.
*"Theres always room for mercy and love in Islam for the truly repentant no matter how bad his past may be." (Quote)
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You can't wait for people to repent. That is not your job. Repentance is between Allah and his creation. Just because a person has not repented to Allah or changed their lifestyle...................doesn't mean that we should treat them with disrespect..................or that we should continue preaching to them to the point that the other person becomes turned off.
"Open sympathy, is also form of encouragement sometimes."** (Quote)**
Are we showing open sympathy? Are we advocating laws that support gay marriage? Are we recommending that people consider homosexuality as a lifestyle? NO!!!!!!!! MOST OF US here are not doing that. All that most of us are saying is that you do your best to guide gently.........and then leave final decisions to the individual. Islam is not a religion of force and imposition. All we are saying is that REGARDLESS of whether a person is gay................he/she is still a HUMAN BEING. Homosexuals also experience joy, sadness, anger, pain, tears, etc. We can only guide gently and within reason.............we can't force. After gentle guidance.................we need to leave the person alone....................and FOCUS MORE ON OUR OWN **INDIVIDUAL PROGRESS **IN ALLAH'S EYES!