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Great control it was that allowed AQ Khan do all his things
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Great control it was that allowed AQ Khan do all his things
No genius, AQ-Khan is just a scape goat but that is for another thread another time, and beside that was not the point of discussion.
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You're right, the point is that the army cannot fight.
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LOL, go read your own posts instead of clutching at straws.. Nuke program is run by the army or it would have been sold to the highest bidder and you are hear because of khakis or you would be licking modis behind.
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Nuke program would not exist without civilians.
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I think its not a matter of cowardice by the army.
I think the Pak army is now too mixed in religion to fight a fellow muslim - this is a major worry.
The Army's effectiveness against these 'terrorists' will be diminished.
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ya genius like every thing else.. I am sure all reports by nuclear weapons archive.org to US congress are all just that reports for the heck of it.. They should listen to you... LOL....
Pakistani Militants Hold Army Troops Hostage
Before this current round of the FATA operation began, some individuals here were calling for military solution. To “go in and cleap up the place,” but what has happened so far? 300 Pakistani soldiers held hostage by the very same militants and asking those *oh so evil and backwards tribes *to intercede.
If it is not fully apparent that Pakistan should work with the tribes of FATA before launching foolish campaigns, it will become more apparent in the coming months. No one is supporting militancy in the region, but the pathways towards resolution lie in peaceful negotiations that should lead to an agreement.
The militancy in FATA is directly linked to the Pakistani about face after 2001 where the Taliban were no longer ‘officially’ supported. The Western installed government of Afghanistan has been consistently challenged by the militants.
The best course of action for Pakistan is to leave the militants alone under an agreement where the residents of FATA and the Pakistani military is not harmed. Once western attention has been completely diverted and Pakistan/Afghanistan are no longer under the radar of the US, these militants can once again take over parts of Afghanistan. If Pakistan is presently supportive of them, any future gov’t of Afghanistan will hold these allies. In fact, many ‘ex-Taliban’ hold seats of power in the present setup.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/world/asia/04pakistan.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Pakistani Militants Hold Army Troops Hostage
PESHAWAR, Pakistan, Sept. 3 — Close to 300 Pakistani soldiers and officers have been held captive for four days after they were seized by pro-Taliban militants in a tribal region near the Afghan border without a shot being fired, government officials said Monday.
It was the first time government officials acknowledged that so many men had been captured and that they were being held hostage. The government has asked tribal elders to intercede to seek the release of the soldiers, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the embarrassment the capture has caused the government.
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A tribal member of Parliament, Senator Saleh Shah, who was asked to help mediate their release, said the militants were demanding the withdrawal of the military from their area and the release of their comrades. **The government rounded up 100 Mehsud tribesmen in the area soon after the soldiers were captured, but released the men again as part of the negotiations.
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Now what the HECK is that? More than 150 ARMED Pakistani soldiers just SURRENDERED?
It's just unbelievable.
How many Taliban militants attacked them? 50?
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They should give them time to release them, then go in with full force and take care of the problem...
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is this old news or another fresh set of abductions? I thought some 100+ were released
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Now what the HECK is that? More than 150 ARMED Pakistani soldiers just SURRENDERED? It's just unbelievable.
How many Taliban militants attacked them? 50?
Yes, well there is a side story behind that. I give 24-48 hours for the Pak. Military to spin this situation in another way:
From the above article:
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The government has been reluctant to comment publicly on the situation. The chief military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad, has said little and could not be reached for comment on Monday. He has told reporters over the last few days that the soldiers had not been captured, but were lodging with tribal villagers after running into poor weather.
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The shameful turn around.
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But in comments made Monday to the television channel Dawn News, General Arshad admitted that the soldiers were being held hostage.
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The demand is reasonable. By returning to the peace agreement, Pakistani military and the govt installations will not be harmed. Before I am accused of appeasement, let us not forget that this is not a war that Pakistan should be involved in. The taliban militants did not have a gripe with Pakistan, until the Pak. leadership at the behest of the U.S, went in to stir up fighting.
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The Taliban militants holding the soldiers are loyal to the Taliban commander, Baitullah Mehsud, a veteran of fighting in Afghanistan and the strongman of the area. He is demanding that the government return to a peace agreement made in February 2005, which gave an amnesty to the militants as long as they refrained from attacking government installations and vehicles.*
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No no its still the same abductions. There is thread in the military section regarding this. I created a new thread because I would like to highlight the policy failures in FATA.
In case you’re looking for a BBC source:
Maj-Gen Waheed Arshad initially said the men had been caught in bad weather and had taken shelter. Later, he said they had become caught up in fighting between rival factions but wanted to avoid the use of force.
“The troops have not been able to leave the area because there is a dispute between local tribesmen and militants who wanted to surround the soldiers,” he told AFP news agency.
Maj-Gen Arshad said the men would leave once the local disputes had been cleared up.
**But a militant leader told the Associated Press that his group was still holding the men.
“About 300 soldiers were present in our areas. We captured them, snatched their weapons and later shifted them to different places.”
Speaking from an undisclosed location, he confirmed tribal elders had contacted his group, adding: “We have taken no decision to free the soldiers.”
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^^ Could both of you kids stick to the topic!! 
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well, now according to today's DAWN report the actual number of forces personnel being held is around 300.
Govt yielding to pressure; 100 tribesmen freed: Troops held hostage number about 300
*PESHAWAR/TANK, Sept 3: Militants holding hundreds of soldiers hostage have demanded withdrawal of forces from the restive South Waziristan tribal region and release of 15 alleged would-be suicide bombers in government custody, an official told Dawn.
“The militants have made certain demands but it does not mean that we will accept them. It will be managed,” the official said.
He acknowledged that the Taliban were holding close to 300 army and paramilitary personnel, including some senior officers.
Maulana Esamuddin, a member of the Mehsud tribal jirga, endorsed the official’s statement and said the authorities had asked them to help secure the release of 270 troops.
Military spokesman Maj-Gen Waheed Arshad, who had till now been denying that the soldiers had been kidnapped, claiming that they were missing, acknowledged that they were being held hostage.
The official told Dawn in Peshawar that the militants had raised the issue of the military moving hundreds of troops along with two truckloads of ration and expressed apprehensions that the government was contemplating some sort of military action in violation of the February, 2005, Sararogha peace agreement.
“What has happened is inexplicable,” the official said, referring to the kidnapping of the soldiers by militants last week.
The authorities are reported to have backed down and released about 100 Mehsud tribesmen rounded up under the collective responsibility clause of the 1901 Frontier Crimes Regulation, after militants threatened to kill the captive soldiers one by one.
But the official said the Mehsud tribesmen had been freed as a goodwill gesture to help the jirga negotiate with the militants holding the soldiers.
The authorities had made the arrests to strengthen their bargaining position in dealing with the Mehsud militants and pressurise them into releasing the hostages.
“All the tribesmen have been released and the road has been reopened,” the official said.
Senator Salih Shah, a key member of the tribal jirga, who had earlier negotiated the release of 19 paramilitary soldiers, confirmed to Dawn that the militants had demanded withdrawal of military from the Mehsud area and release of their comrades.
The jirga has been shuttling back and forth between the militants and the authorities for three days but has so far been unable to make any headway.
Officials who spoke to Dawn were optimistic that the release of the soldiers would come about but cautioned that it might take a few more days.
“It’s not a hopeless situation. There are channels of communication open with the militants and that’s important. But the release (of the soldiers) may take a few days,” said one official.
The military spokesman said all steps would be taken to ensure security in the area and safety of the troops.
He said the militants might have made some demands but a tribal jirga was negotiating to defuse tension and ensure safety of the soldiers.*
what a laughing stock army has made of itself now. Not 1, not 2 but hundreds of professional soldiers & officers surrendering with not even one shot fired. I doubt if there has ever been a parallel in world's history of such a mass level abduction of professional soldiers. They should all be given churryan upon their release and then be sent off to face firing squad.
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Tikka was never court martialed for his antics [leading to surrender of troops in e. pakistan among others] and you believe people will be disciplined now? 
The tikka episode also showed bhutto’s complicity with the whole E. Pakistan affair but I’m sure people, like our admin, who are die-hard PPP supporters will never see this..
My guess is that the pathan troops * were handed over by their colonel / major commanding them. In fact, the troops might’ve given themselves up like the FC desertions. It makes me remind of those indian troops that surrendered than fight ottomons in WW 1. Though, their cause was more noble than these troops who are protecting wahabbi terrorists in the tribal areas as well as emboldening them.*
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how on earth do you kidnap 150+ soldiers. Do they carry guns or bangles?
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I sincerely hope that our soldiers are not really losing the sense of purpose & pride for joing the Pak army and that their fighting spirit is not getting diminshed due to the volatile political situation at the center where COAS seems only concerend about re-election, uniform and making deals with convicted felons/lotas/ghorras.
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Next step is obviously the army openly fighting alongside Taliban against Pakistan. Here comes the rule of the beheaders.
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Wrong. As a matter of policy BBC never uses the word “terrorist” - it always says “militants” or “fighters” instead.