Feminists don't kill me now

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The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Treat women kindly, Woman was created from a bent rib and will not be made straight for you on one way (that you like). If you want to enjoy her,you enjoy her while she is still bent. If you want to straighten her up, you will break her. Breaking her is divorcing her. [Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

This is a command to husbands, fathers, brothers and others to treat women kindly and not to oppress them; to give them their rights and to guide them to do good. This is what is obligatory upon everyone, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Treat women kindly.”

This is not altered by the fact that a woman may sometimes mistreat her husband or relatives with her words or actions, because she was created from a rib as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, and the most crooked part of it is the top. It is well known that the top of it is the part by which it is attached, so the rib will have some crookedness in it at that point, as is well known.

The meaning is that she will inevitably have some crookedness or shortcomings in her character. Hence it was narrated in another hadeeth in al-Saheehayn:

“I have not seen any lacking in rational ability and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you [women].”

The point is that this is the ruling of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and it is narrated in al-Saheehayn from the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him).

What is meant by lacking in rational ability, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, is that the testimony of two women is equivalent to the testimony of one man.

Failing in religion, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, means that women spend days and nights without praying, i.e., because of menstruation or post-childbirth bleeding. This is a shortcoming which Allaah has decreed for them, and there is no sin on them because of that.

So women should accept this in the way that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) meant it, even if a woman is knowledgeable and pious, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not speak of his own whims and desires, rather that was a Revelation that was revealed to him, which he conveyed to the ummah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“By the star when it goes down (or vanishes).
Your companion (Muhammad) has neither gone astray nor has erred.
Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
It is only a Revelation revealed” [al-Najm 53:1-4]

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What is the point you're trying to make?

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So its your turn after Hottea. Good luck :p

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Brother, don't forget that your Jannah lies under the feet of your mother. What is the point of collecting all the hadiths most of which were addressed to "men" (not women) and post them in a forum where the majority is of women. I don't mean to judge your intentions, but your collection is (as a whole) giving an impression that Islam considers women to be an inferior being compared to men. It would have been better to post hadiths that provides a lesson for women (to encourage them) instead of trying to convince them that they are an inferior beings. Islam has maintained a balance between the rights and responsibilities of both men and women respectively. You chose to mention hadiths only in one context and didn't mention any that shows the qualities of women in the form of mother, wife, daughter and sister. With no offense, a very bad attempt that might only provoke people.

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What is meant by lacking in rational ability, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, is that the testimony of two women is equivalent to the testimony of one man.
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Brother, you have badly mixed a hadtih with a Quranic verse. Quran itself states the reason:

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but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other;
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The Quran hasn't mentioned that they would definitely err but there is a possibility, the reason of which is not mentioned. The Quran hasn't related it with lack of rational ability. There could be different reasons for that, which might have nothing to do with lacking in ability. Ask the Scholars for guidance.

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Ooh, I would have titled it "tasty ribs", or, "I want my ribs". lol :)

On a serious note, I don' think women "mistreat"; everyone has desires and they're deserving of theirs and men of theirs, but the ones who co-join theirs win!

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Okay.

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Heaven help me ashy, what have I said? :) I feel as though you are sending me off to war wishing me luck
I came across this ahadith when reading up on Islamic POV on husband-wife relations and I felt blessed to be a Muslim where husbands are enjoined strongly to be kind to their wives regardless of the wife's minor faults and habits that may annoy the husband since it is a woman's nature to be the way she is as she is created that way by Allah Subhanatallah.

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Seriously we need a bad smell smiley

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I'm just sharing a hadith Princess for the betterment of anyone who might not have come across it. Sharing it for the purpose of sharing what I understood by it, and that is that certain things that may annoy a husband about his wife ( "crookedness" is what I'm construing to be those) are simply her nature and Allah and his Prophet SAW strongly enjoin upon husbands to understand this and not to be unkind towards their wives because of them. Rather they should be more understanding and kind always.

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Oh be honest, your trying to bait women on the forum into an argument, why else would you choose that particular thread title.

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sarab, I am a woman , in case u were unaware.

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That makes no difference. Women can bait other women into arguments, I knew you were a women anyway from the last thread where you explained how your brother told you that your husband was more important then your family.

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hm yeah.

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What credentials do you have to interpret these hadees and offer advice to people anyway? Or was it just a copy-paste job?

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I wasn't aware that a person needed credentials to post. I am not offering advice, or forcing interpretations on anyone. I am highlighting something I came across and learned from for anyone who cares to view it.

Do what you will with it, learn from it, ignore it, or bash it as you seem inclined to do. That is what you chose to take away from it.

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Maybe you could at least post the souce (website/book/etc) of the interpretations so others can read for themselves. This thread seems more suited to religion forum in my opinion.
By the way, I 'm not 'bashing' the message, I'm 'bashing' your method of delivery.

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@ O.P. I apologize as my previous reply was based on an assumption that you are a brother. I would only request you that the way we present an argument matters a lot. If you had presented this argument 1400 years ago, there wouldn't be a problem for people to accept it, because their Imaan were nearly perfect and the "Muslim" men of that time knew exactly what their limitations are and how they should RESPECT women without imposing their superiority, but you can't expect even 1% of that care, love humbleness & respect from present day muslim men. In this present age of fitna where the "oppression of women" is the most sensitive topic, where most men don't fulfill the rights of women (in all forms of relationships), you can't expect people to straightaway accept a straightforward argument because people know that there are many men out there who would mis-quote and misuse it for their personal benefits. They would violate all the rights of women and when they raise their voice against such cruelness, the oppressors would take support of these hadiths.

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It's perfectly alright Brother RAW. I agree with what you are saying, it is a sensitive topic and perhaps there shouldve been a more tactful manner of presenting it. For those who wish to gain something from it, they shall. Knowledge is found through many ways, in debating a topic (whether arguing for or against it) a person will research and learn.

@sarab: I took what I wanted from it and have put it up for others to do with as they see fit with the best of intentions since I learned something good from it. Those who wish to search it out and analyse for themselves , will do so. Those who don't, won't. I will say that it isn't difficult to research it at all, hence there is no need for me to do that work for whoever wants to debate it further.

Sources are Sahih Bokhari and Muslim

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I meant the source for the interpretations of the hadees, never mind. Maybe next time give a disclaimer that you are posting your personal interpretations.

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the dilemma is that women nowadays (eastern society or desi western societies) interpret Islam to a limit where it benefits them the most. they would look like they believe in the very fundamentals of Islam when they talk about how our prophet (pbuh) used to treat his women, or what he said about women's rights. prophet (pbuh) def said as a husband u don't have any right to oppress women , to tell ur wife to cook for you or live with ur parents. but prophet (pbuh) also said husband to a wife is like her virtual (or worldly God) if there was permission to bow your head before anyone except God, I would tell wife to bow her head before husband. the point is either don't go that way , don't quote religion when it benefits you the most (both men and women) or if you need to quote then don't try finding loop holes in it, cuz u can't fool God Almighty. this thread shouldn't ve been posted on this forum in the first place.