You can not take out sahih Ahadith from relegion. Thats an integral part and relegion can not be considered complete without the practical implications and explanantions of Holy Prophet (PBUH) for many things regardless of the fact that if they are provided in detail in Holy Quran or not.
Islam is the simplest relgion. It addresses these issues in a very elegent manner. It’s a convenience provided by Allah which if not given, it would have been very difficult for woman to regularly perform their relegious duties due to pain or bleeding. You can take it as the convenience of Salat during safar.
*It is often difficult for new Muslimas to understand why they are suddenly unable to make salat for five days or so. Many may feel that it is a limitation on them due to their gender. Others may misunderstand this, and think that they can not engage in any Islamic activities for the duration of their menses. This is simply not so. **Many women suffer from extreme cramps, heavy bleeding, nausea, headaches, and other maladies during their cycle. It is truly a sign of the Mercy of Allah ta’ala that we are excused from prayer during this time. I know more than one sister who would be unable to perform the physical duties of the prayer during her cycle. ** *
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
so why not just do the sajda and rukoo while im at it? yeah?
[/QUOTE]
*Because we have the clear evidances that Holy Prophet has advised all the Muslim women to do so. *
why dont you offer complete salat during safar even if you are comfortable enough to do so?
and why do you want to pray in a certain way, do Ummrah and Hajj in a certain format. why Fajar has only 4 rakats and Isha 17? Why do you think it has to be in that way to perform it. There are certain things fo rwhich their details come from Ahadith and not Quran. So the simplest answer is what I have provided above but if you still want to go with the logic Funguy provided you really dont need to offer 4 rakats of fajar and 17 of Isha.
*Because we have the clear evidances that Holy Prophet has advised all the Muslim women to do so. *
why dont you offer complete salat during safar even if you are comfortable enough to do so?
and why do you want to pray in a certain way, do Ummrah and Hajj in a certain format. why Fajar has only 4 rakats and Isha 17? Why do you think it has to be in that way to perform it. There are certain things fo rwhich their details come from Ahadith and not Quran. So the simplest answer is what I have provided above but if you still want to go with the logic Funguy provided *you really dont need to offer 4 rakats of fajar and 17 of Isha. *
[/QUOTE]
i dunno.. i know a lot of people dont offer the "full rakat" as u put it.. they only pray Farz namaz... nothing wrong with that either..
the extra sunattein are extra ibadat.. but dont quote me... just something i was told
Men and women have to perform ablution before praying to “purify” themselves, right? Wudo breaks if you bleed, be it a man or a women. And women bleed (may not be the right word but you get the point) during the menstruation (even with gaps, like they bleed, then stop, then bleed again) and does it not break the wudu if they “bleed”? I have read in the elemtary Islamyat that the wudu is broken if one bleeds. So is it not the same case? If you are praying, and by chance you happen to bleed while praying, does that not nullify the wudu? :konfused: Below is a hadeeth regarding praying without being pure (wudu).
And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“No prayer is accepted without purification.” Narrated by Muslim, 224. *
I dont understand why women sound so offended at the thought that they are napak.I mean Allah made us this way, its natural, its what makes us different from men.
To read Quran or go into a masjid one has to be clean.Just like you wouldnt read the Quran with dirty hands or visit the masjid after rolling in mud- women should avoid doing such things while in a napak state.
I mean people arent exactly dying to do ibahdat while all clean and such , what woman is dying to do all that while having her periods.Even basic survival is tough in that condition.:p
I don't think that there is any haram going to the mosque or eating nazar and stuff, but one should avoid saying namaz and reading Quran in this state.
You can probably read other books on islam,etc but I guess we should give more respect to Quran.
I think wuzu is an important thing when you want to carry out the prayers, read Quran, Hajj, etc. It is important. It is an amazing practice which makes one feel spiritual within minutes. I think it is important to feel spiritual while performing the religious tasks which would be difficult for a girl going through a cycle (for various reasons). Im certain this is the reason these things are considered important. Dont look at them like extremists do. There are many things people (mostly younger generation) feel rebellious about cz of the way the extremists present and enforce them. Just my two cents.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by funguy: *
Ahadith banish women in that state from:
Many women suffer from extreme cramps, heavy bleeding, nausea, headaches, and other maladies during their cycle<<
TYLENOL
As for the topic at hand: the Qur'an is a cool book to read, and the fun part is interpreting it. Each person will interpret each line of the Qur'an differently from the next. I'm a strong believer in individual faith. I don't believe in Islamic states (you don't even need to be up to date with current affairs to know that Islam isn't being practiced in Islamic countries). If you read the Qur'an and believe that during menstruation you can pray; then go for it. If you believe that any kind of discharge leads to impurity, then don't pray. These are trivial issues that have been blown out of proportion by Mullahs. AND BY THE WAY, these people are not scholars (for that person who said they've done loads of research), they are a result of lack of schooling due to poverty and shipping off to madrassas for free education. I personally do not pray during menstruation simply because of the whole discharge/impurity issue, but I wouldn't disagree with anyone who did.
Many women suffer from extreme cramps, heavy bleeding, nausea, headaches, and other maladies during their cycle<<
TYLENOL
As for the topic at hand: the Qur'an is a cool book to read, and the fun part is interpreting it. Each person will interpret each line of the Qur'an differently from the next. I'm a strong believer in individual faith. I don't believe in Islamic states (you don't even need to be up to date with current affairs to know that Islam isn't being practiced in Islamic countries). If you read the Qur'an and believe that during menstruation you can pray; then go for it. If you believe that any kind of discharge leads to impurity, then don't pray. These are trivial issues that have been blown out of proportion by Mullahs. AND BY THE WAY, these people are not scholars (for that person who said they've done loads of research), they are a result of lack of schooling due to poverty and shipping off to madrassas for free education. I personally do not pray during menstruation simply because of the whole discharge/impurity issue, but I wouldn't disagree with anyone who did.
[/QUOTE]
Not everyone can interpret Quran. You need to have alot of knowledge to be able to do that. That is why you need an Aalim (or and uneducated Mullah as you put it) who knows how to interpret them and who has the knowledge to get conclusion out of it to do it.
Bibi the people that go to Raiwand to do Alim course study Quran, Hadeeth, Sunnah, history, fiqh and everything else to do with Islam for 8 years untill they become Alim and you are saying that they are not scholars and are uneducated. You are right. Its upto the people of gupshup to solve this mystery and until FG brought it up the whole muslim Ummah was in dark and no one ever thought about it.
Islam is an exact and perfect religion. And you are telling everyone to make up their own interpretation of Quran.
The solution is not to make up your own stories. Just ask an Alim what should be done and ask them for proof and they will provide it to you.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by notallthere: *AND BY THE WAY, these people are not scholars (for that person who said they've done loads of research), they are a result of lack of schooling due to poverty and shipping off to madrassas for free education.
[/QUOTE]
ha ha ha.. nice joke.. do you believe islam exists outside pakistan or not? or existed before today? Islamic knowledge has not always been gained because one is poor and shipped off to madrassahs.. infact, i was talking about the time when islamic knowledge was considered precious and people made efforts for it.
ha ha ha.. nice joke.. do you believe islam exists outside pakistan or not? or existed before today? Islamic knowledge has not always been gained because one is poor and shipped off to madrassahs.. infact, i was talking about the time when islamic knowledge was considered precious and people made efforts for it.
[/QUOTE]
ammarr still alot of the Alims get their education because they want to. One of the biggest name that comes to mind is Maulana Tariq Jamil who was a medical student and is from a very rich family of doctors.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by PyariCgudia: *The leniency allowed in not praying, fasting etc during those days is not because a woman is impure. Its because for many, periods can be quite painful. So, its more for their convenience. If I'm feeling okay, I usually pray anyway.
[/QUOTE]
Surely menstrual pain is not the worst pain in the world. There are hundreds of other ailments which hurt way more than menstruation, and those ailments affect both men and women. Why would Allah swt tell all those sick and frail people to pray, despite their ailments, even if they have to do it lying down, yet give women the convenience of a choice during menses?
Namaz is mandatory in any and every situation, unless you are unconcious. I doubt it that a prohibition for something so strictly mandated would be based on weak arguments.