No, I don't believe in the na-paak ness, which refers to inherent uncleanliness. But the simple fact is that discharge of blood invalidates wudu/tayammum, which is absolutely compulsary for prayers. If the first condition for prayers cannot be met, how can you carry on praying, thats my question?
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**PA, FG:* why not yoga/meditation then? that cleanses your mind.
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cuz that's not what God ordered.. simple.. right? :)
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we are necessitated to cleanse ourselves with what is considered to be a ritually pure material (clean matti/khaak is also considered to be pure). which is why you cannot do tayammum with matti that you know to be unclean.
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can u please show me where it says the matti has to be "clean" and who defines "unclean".. nawaazish.
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ammar - i am not issuing any fatwas. I am ONLY quoting Quran as my source. Does Quran have more weight on fabricated narrations?. Absolutely.
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Really? Please read the next quote..
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Miss Mohabbat - If menstruation is painful and makes you feel sick, then you don't have to fast for those days. The Quran gives liniency for travelers and sickness.
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What was that? I am not talking about fabricated narrations.. i'm simply asking you if you have more understanding of the issue than the Prophet (saww) did? And the companions (raa) that followed him?
Since you claim the narrations to be fabricated, instead of being a loudspeaker, please quote the mentioned narrations, along with reasons why they are fabricated- thanks.
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No, I don't believe in the na-paak ness, which refers to inherent uncleanliness. But the simple fact is that discharge of blood invalidates wudu/tayammum, which is absolutely compulsary for prayers. If the first condition for prayers cannot be met, how can you carry on praying, thats my question?
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excellent point
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cuz that's not what God ordered.. simple.. right? :)
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great so we agree that we are to follow what is deemed by Allah, and hypothesising about perhaps its for mental purity doesnt really say anything as far as what the correct opinion is.
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can u please show me where it says the matti has to be "clean" and who defines "unclean".. nawaazish.
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I think you dont follow hadith, but heres something in sahih bukhari:
Volume 1, Book 7, Number 340:
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He asked, "O so and so! What has prevented you from praying with us?" He replied, "I am Junub and there is no water. " The Prophet said, "Perform Tayammum with (clean) earth and that is sufficient for you."
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By clean I meant pak. for instance if you know a donkey pissed someplace, and went ahead and did vazoo with it, i think you would be ritually impure.
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Farting might mentally break concentration etc. But if it is solely a question of mental cleanliness and you think you can be that during periods (thus your initial allowance in the first place), then why does the discharge break your vazoo? what if you dont know its happening?
ammarr, I am not sure about the authencity of narrations , so I refuse to quote them. However, there is NO doubt about Quran. So I can quote it. Can you quote something from the Quran to support your argument?
oh so funguy you want to kiss some feminine ass, which by the way are you so proud of. hey dont delete this you said that yourself
oh go ahead yaar since u are so proud of ass kissing we will not stop you
creek, please quote refrences or your comment above will be deleted.
I guess then I don’t know if it’s happening. 
If you are unsure do your research first instead of calling people criminal.. people who presumably did their research.
My point of view is not established, hence I will not go posting it all over.. you on the other hand have started a post with your reasons and opinions, and need to state why you consider those narrations fabricated. (which you stated in the first post btw)
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ammarr, I am not sure about the authencity of narrations , so I refuse to quote them. However, there is NO doubt about Quran. So I can quote it. Can you quote something from the Quran to support your argument?
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My understanding (so far, and by no means final) is that Allah swt can and does prohibit things which are harmful for us, and in this is His Wisdom which we may or may not comprehend. I also believe that the Prophet (saww) was a practical guide for us, and how his companions implemented his actions are also important guidelines. My understanding is that there is a consensus on the topic of not praying/fasting.
I do not believe it is a case of impurity, so to say, as I remember reading a hadith in saheeh muslim I think which states something about the jews considering the menstruating female to be impure, and the Prophet said something contrary to that.. insha'llah i'll look that up.
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creek, please quote refrences or your comment above will be deleted.
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abay chus tu nay to woh post he delete kar dee hay, sharam to nahin aye khair hay, apni baat he pee lee, like lickin your on spit, koi glah nahin i thinki you must be proud of that as well :D
Such a good informative post totally ruined. 
but as you say discharge of blood makes your mental cleansing go pfft. if you dont know its happening, obviously, your concentration is unchanged. but your vazoo is still broken. correct? just as your vazoo would still break if you farted without knowing it.
something changes physically that causes you to become unfit for namaz when you bleed. and that is why during periods women cant offer namaz.
One question - why are the MEN here so concerned abou this subject? Surely women should be discussing it.
Well unless you lot are trying to tell us something...........
from Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 327:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet said to me, "Give up the prayer when your menses begin and when it has finished, wash the blood off your body (take a bath) and start praying."
I found these to be interesting cuz some ppl in desiland do beleive that women r so impure that u cant even touch them..
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet used to lean on my lap and recite Qur'an while I was in menses.
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 297:
Narrated Um Salama:
While I was laying with the Prophet under a single woolen sheet, I got the menses. I slipped away and put on the clothes for menses. He said, "Have you got "Nifas" (menses)?" I replied, "Yes." He then called me and made me lie with him under the same sheet.
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
n I am confused about this hadith
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 302:
Narrated 'Aisha:
We set out with the Prophet for Hajj and when we reached Sarif I got my menses. When the Prophet came to me, I was weeping. He asked, "Why are you weeping?" I said, "I wish if I had not performed Hajj this year." He asked, "May be that you got your menses?" I replied, "Yes." He then said, "This is the thing which Allah has ordained for all the daughters of Adam. So do what all the pilgrims do except that you do not perform the Tawaf round the Ka'ba till you are clean."
Interesting post funguy.....But I am confused: most of us consider hadith as a supplement to the Quran. Do you not? As Tikhi mentioned a few ahadith regarding the prohibition of women having to pray or fast during their menstrual cycles. It does not mean that women are so impure that they shouldnt pray. I would relate this sort of "nijasat" to the kind, that might lead men to be junub or "impure". It doesnt mean that women are so doomed they shouldnt even pray, etc.
Regarding women not touching Quran during their cycles, there is an ayat in the Quran that I have to look up for you, which has the meaning, that "Dont touch the quran unless you are mutatahiroon. And during their cycles, women are considered not mutathiroon.
Makes sense?
^ Thanks Thiki!! But the problem is these guys don’t believe in Ahadith 
Its funny, I was having the discussion with my friend today, I was like why are we impure? Why do we have to be restricted from prayer, fast and reading the quraan for a whole week every month? I know in Hinduism a woman is considered impure and is not allowed to go to temple and fast, but surely this cant be an Islamic thing.
You bring up a really good point, FG. I’ve been trying to get to the bottom of this for so long and can’t get a straight answer. It has never made sense to me.
I do think this is one reason why many women do not become active members in mosques and do not take leadership roles. I just don’t understand why this is so.
I don’t know if these will help the discussion:
http://www.isna.net/Library/Hadith/bukhari/006_sbt.html
Someone remind me, wasn’t there a Hadith where Aisha (raa) wasn’t touching the Quran or the Prophet (saw) for some reason, and she said it was because she was menstruating, and he said, that it was not her hand that was menstruating. Something like that. I will see if I can find it.
very interesting...
just one thing.. even if we or someone establishes that we women are actually allowed to pray and fast during our periods... whose going to change the minds of those millions who have never thought otherwise?
ive always thought it was more of an issue with fasting cus we already dont have energy.. and lack of food will further reduce energy levels... but namaz? i dunno... i mean we are not restricted from making duas in our head... so many times i find myself "praying in my mind" to relax myself during that time.... so why not just do the sajda and rukoo while im at it? yeah?
great topic funguy