Feminine Clarifications

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There were a few questions raised in my other thread on FAQ’s on Ramazan. One of the questions that some ladies asked was on fasting during menstruation. This subject has never made any sense to me so I did some research and here is the conclusion.

Have you noticed a very important fact in the Qur’an? Read the Book from AL-HAMD to WAN-NAAS. You wil NOT find any prohibition to women during their physiological cycles. The only prohibition applies to both, men and women, and that is the intimate husband wife relationship during those periods.

Our Criminal Imams in the name of fabricated Ahadith banish women in that state from:

  • Prayers
  • Doing Saum
  • Touching the Qur’an
  • Doing Hajj or Umra
  • Extremists even stop her from going to the kitchen

Are such Muslims following the Qur’an or the Vedas, Puranas, Garanth Sahab and the Bible?

There is a clear ayat that allows sickness as an excuse to not fast (you may make up for it after you get well) but nowhere does the Quran ‘prohibit’ women from fasting. If one feels sick during those days, then there is liniency.

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hmmmm thats interesting

I think i'l do some research of my own aswell

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Maybe someone can post the Hadiths related to this?

I always thought that according to the fiqh it is not required for them to do certain obligatory things but if they choose to do so, it is their choice.

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hmmm

let me look in this aswell.

interesting topics lately Fungi, you have grown MashALlah :k:

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im sure you mean well but lets not attribute criminality to them, when one can be wrong in these matters.

im sure there is no vested interest in declaring women as najis during these times, and there is some Islamic basis for it. and those who see quran as the sole basis for making Islamic rulings is surely very miniscule. lets not write off the rest as criminals just yet.

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ravage, anybody who teaches Muslims against the teachings of the Quran or tries to create confusion is a criminal for me. These guys have changed our beautiful 'deen' into some ritualistic religion. It's time we wake up and study the True Islam.

Allah(swt) speaks to us in Al-Tawba 9:31 as the
very mistake that the Christians and the Jews have made until
the present day:

"They have taken their rabbis and priests as lords other than
Allah."

This ayah was explained by the Messenger of Allah(saw), as
reported by Tirmidhi(1) on the authority of Adi bin Hatim who
was a Christian before accepting Islam. Adi who had just
accepted Islam, heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) recite
the above ayat. He objected, "They do not worship their
priests." The Prophet (saw) replied, "Whatever their
priests and rabbis call halal, they accept as halal;
whatever they declare as haram, they consider as haram,
and thus they worship them."

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well funguy ure right..no one in the Quran does Allah prohibit women from praying or fasting.Actually our mothers are so brainwashed by these maulanas and fatwas that keep on brainwashing their daughters and it goes on and on. The only justification that I got was that period is an impurity because its blood etc etc.

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*Originally posted by funguy: *
ravage, anybody who teaches Muslims against the teachings of the Quran or tries to create confusion is a criminal for me. These guys have changed our beautiful 'deen' into some ritualistic religion. It's time we wake up and study the True Islam.

Allah(swt) speaks to us in Al-Tawba 9:31 as the
very mistake that the Christians and the Jews have made until
the present day:

"They have taken their rabbis and priests as lords other than
Allah."

This ayah was explained by the Messenger of Allah(saw), as
reported by Tirmidhi(1) on the authority of Adi bin Hatim who
was a Christian before accepting Islam. Adi who had just
accepted Islam, heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) recite
the above ayat. He objected, "They do not worship their
priests." The Prophet (saw) replied, "Whatever their
priests and rabbis call halal, they accept as halal;
whatever they declare as haram, they consider as haram,
and thus they worship them."
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how often have you revised your opinion after thinking one thing for a very long time? im just saying you should be careful in your condemnations because you're including a very broad class of ulema, and you are a novice yourself.

the motive is not inducing confusion, nor do they go against Quran. Quran does not ask women to touch its pages when they're impure. It doesnt, if you are correct in your research, order otherwise. the rest is likely to be based on secondary islamic sources like hadith.

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What I always find funny is when you're stopped from walking into a masjid during those days. Girls will literally sit out in the courtyard in the hot summer sun instead of sitting inside, just because they are impure.

The leniency allowed in not praying, fasting etc during those days is not because a woman is impure. Its because for many, periods can be quite painful. So, its more for their convenience. If I'm feeling okay, I usually pray anyway.

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*Originally posted by PyariCgudia: *

The leniency allowed in not praying, fasting etc during those days is not because a woman is impure. Its because for many, periods can be quite painful. So, its more for their convenience. If I'm feeling okay, I usually pray anyway.
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You've pretty much summed it up. I was talking to somebody and she said it is so embarrassing to be singled out in religious gatherings because of this. She said it is a very personal matter and there is no need for all to know about their state.

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*Originally posted by ravage: *
Quran does not ask women to touch its pages when they're impure.
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has anyone ever gone beyond literal translations and interpretations.. why does "pure" have to be nahaya dhoya.. whatever happened to a deeeper meaning of cleansing of soul.. afterall.. doing vazoo with mud doesn't 'clean' you physically.. does it?? yet u can establish salaat in that condition... in which you recite Qur'an.

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Excellent point, PA.

At the risk of repeating what you've already said, Tayammum can be done with sand or stones. It won't clean you physically but it brings you into a mental state of purity.

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ok fungi, and PA u guys made some excellent points
I found this site with some information concerning this matter.:

In the name of GOD, Most Gracious and Most Merciful

“They ask you about menstruation: Say, it is harmful; you shall avoid sexual intercourse with the women during menstruation; do not approach them until they are rid of it. Once they are rid of it, you may have intercourse with them in the manner designed by God. God loves those who are clean. Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe God, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers.” 2:222, 223

As we know, many Islamic Scholars tend to abuse the meaningful verses of the Quran to benefit their own agendas. One of the abused verses that I would like to write about is verses 2:222-223.

First, let us tackle the misunderstanding of the Islamic scholars regarding these verses. They have innovated religious laws prohibiting menstruating women from observing the Contact prayers, fasting, and even touching the Quran. However, a careful study of these verses shows that God is teaching us about personal hygiene, and there is no law dealing with the religious practices in these verses.

As we know, menstruation is a feminine issue. Ironically, it is the men who ask about menstruation and the revelation is directed towards the men. Now, what could possibly concern a man regarding a feminine issue, except for his own interest in sexual matters? God answers the men by initially letting them know that having sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman is harmful, and they should not approach them until they get rid of it. The phrase “get rid of it” is “tatahharn” in Arabic which is the same word used in 3:55 when God tells Jesus: “I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers.”

However, if this verse were referring to women’s religious practices during menstruation, God would have directed the verse to the women. As it turns out, neither in this verse, nor in any other verse God forbids menstruating women from practicing their religious duties; it only refers to personal hygiene, and the statement of “your women are the bearers of your seed”, in the following verse proves this fact. A man and his wife are allowed to have intercourse in the manner designed by God, which is vaginal intercourse.

The only way a woman can be “the bearer” of a man’s seed is through the vagina to the uterus. By mentioning this statement, God is prohibiting non-vaginal intercourse. Therefore, the statement of “however you like” cannot be misconstrued.

Now let us look at the point of view of the opponents of religion. Their view on this matter is that God humiliates the women by such statements. On the contrary, God is preventing men from viewing women as sexual objects and from sexually abusing women by commanding the men to have sexual intercourse with them in the manner designed by God.

It is noteworthy that the statement “as long as righteousness is maintained” is there to protect the woman. Please note that this verse does not only deals with the physical aspect, but also moral aspect which does not allow a man to abuse a woman by forcing her to have sex anytime without her consent. Also important is the fact that the statement of “maintaining righteousness” comes immediately after “however you like”, to prevent physical and moral abuse.

God ordered the husband and wife to live in love mercy and tranquility 30:21. Therefore, when all activities in marriage are based on this statement, which is the source of righteousness between spouses, it’s more likely to prevent any evil and vice in marriage.

We send down in the Quran healing and mercy for the believers. At the same time, it only increases the wickedness of the transgressors. 17:82

**I m strongly advising you guys to take a look at the site **

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PA, FG:

ofcourse it is your interpretation of it that tayammum indicates that the point of wazoo is mental cleansing. why not yoga/meditation then? that cleanses your mind.

to me it could just as well be there to show the significance of the ritual of cleaning yourself that even in the absence of water we are necessitated to cleanse ourselves with what is considered to be a ritually pure material (clean matti/khaak is also considered to be pure). which is why you cannot do tayammum with matti that you know to be unclean. if it was just about mental cleansing you would be able to do tayammum with matti that you know is filthy.

dutch_paki, just a point that I would like to mention before people go to that site. I believe the submitters are deemed heretical even though the molana was initially an esteemed sunni aalim but later went on to proclaim masiha-ness or something. they're a dangerous group.

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Ok..so i did some research, unfortunalty i had to rely on the internet as my dads library doesnt have many books on this subject, and im more confused than i was before!....i know im being naive, but iv always thought it was standard that women shouldnt fast during Ramzan, and not because of the "impure" thing, but because its painful and not particually nice to be fasting AND menstruating at the same time.

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Yeh funguy, knowledge begins and ends with you eh? People such as you who claim to be suddenly enlightened, and declaring the rest as criminals, or whatever, sound fairly idiotic to me. If you find them criminal, I find you to twist islam only until it suits your logistics and your lifestyle, nothing more.

Put your hand up if you think that your understanding of Islam is better than what the Prophet brought and taught.

By the by, also shows your hypocrisy when you post this in lifestyles forum.. and try to talk on a religious issue which not many here will have full research into..

(I am still looking into the issue myself.. but i dare say your lack of maturity needed pointing out..)

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I'd like to know more about this. But I do have a question for funguy. In terms of prayers, ritual ablution, whether wudu or tayammum is compulsory, right. Out of things which invalidate the wudu etc, and the prayer, blood and discharge of blood is one of them, i think. what do you think of this issue viewed from this angle?

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humhain pakistai - sure any of those acts would break you vazoo but it doesn't make you naa-paak.

ammar - i am not issuing any fatwas. I am ONLY quoting Quran as my source. Does Quran have more weight on fabricated narrations?. Absolutely.

Miss Mohabbat - If menstruation is painful and makes you feel sick, then you don't have to fast for those days. The Quran gives liniency for travelers and sickness.

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funguy, why does discharge of blood make you mentally impure?

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ravage - just like farting would break your mental purification.

PS> Let's stay on topic. This is not about what breaks your vazoo.