This Dr. Zakir has the nerve.
So this “renowned” scholar or whatever the hell he is says that an unmarried woman who can’t find a single man have two choices - polygamy or becoming public property…
Right. I’m unmarried. So - you mullahs here think I’m public property?
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i don believe that zakir naik.. hes just a funny guy for me....nothing more..
and no PCG , ure God's property, nobody else's.
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aw thanks 
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Queer ka bacha :bash:
You are such a fitnati guy, I swear. You took the Quote out of context. Idiot.
This is what the quote is a part of. This Dr. Zakir had put forth what is essentially a philosophical thought-experiment. Those things are not to be taken literally. Its just merely a philosophical tool used often by philosophers. This is the entire excerpt:
**Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million females in U.S.A who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain, 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband.
Suppose my sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or suppose your sister happens to be one of the unmarried women in USA. The only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who already has a wife or becomes public property. There is no other option. All those who are modest will opt for the first.
In Western society, it is common for a man to have mistresses and/or multiple extra-marital affairs, in which case, the woman leads a disgraceful, unprotected life. The same society, however, cannot accept a man having more than one wife, in which women retain their honourable, dignified position in society and lead a protected life.
Thus the only two options before a woman who cannot find a husband is to marry a married man or to become public property. Islam prefers giving women the honourable position by permitting the first option and disallowing the second.
There are several other reasons, why Islam has permitted limited polygyny, but it is mainly to protect the modesty of women.**
Note, his example is merely theoretical. It in no way describes the real-world. Personally, I dislike these types of thought experiments - we used to get them ALL THE TIME in ethics classes and other philosophy classes. The trouble with them is that they don’t describe the real world exactly. Philosophers argue that for purposes of logic, they’re great tools. Also, philosophers argue that these examples can come close to the reality.
The reality in this situation is that there are many single women out there. But there are also many single men out there as well. And it doesn’t have as much to do with actual male: female ratios. You also have to look at age groups. Out of the 52% of females on Earth - how many of them are fertile? How many of them are children? How many elderly?
You really need to compare ratios of fertile men to fertile women. I bet that ratio is quite different.
Polygamy, like I’ve said before, is nothing more than a mere allowance to the natural state of man. Most men are not satisfied with one woman. Even guys who are in monogamous marriages get tired of one female. So if they don’t marry another, then guess what? They’ll cheat on their wife.
Same difference in the end. In countries wher you don’t have polygamy, you have polyamorous marraiges, or open marriages, or adultery, or swingers, etc.
Its part of man’s nature. I told you men are pigs.
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Although I have to still admit that this Doctor Sahab, much like many other maulvis, does not understand that a single woman can live a fulfilling life where she is NOT public property. Maybe miserable being a virgin till the day she dies, but still, not public property.
The two options really should have been that this supposed single woman, on an imaginary earth where all men are already taken lawfully, can either marry a married man or she can be single and live a life without sex.
Given that Islam is a religion that ENCOURAGES people to have sex, so they don't end up becoming those Lahori rioters I speak of in General, the option for a single woman that is probably the healthiest one for HER is to get married to a married man. AGain, this is a thought-experiment - not to be taken literally.
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its a very strange argument.
if the polygamy route is there because there may exist a disproportionate number of men and women, is the limit of 4 wives to 1 man a limiting condition? are we saying here that supposing in times of war, the number of able bodied men of age to women is lower than 1:4, does Islam fail in that case?
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phew! thank God u realized that or i was gonna have to explain it to you..
PCG normal women usually have sexual needs, so maybe the whole thing about not having sex for the rest of your life works for u, it might not for others(most other women). So if he used those two options, it would be for a minorty.
Its not like hes God n you dont have to agree with everything he says.
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two things.
i dont see how what i quoted in the other thread is out of context in any way. if you dont think saying a woman has no option in america but to be married or be "public property" is offensive, i'd love to see you explain that to any american woman.
dr sahab seems to know the exactly percentage of gay men, but someone needs to tell him about lesbians. or maybe he thinks arousal and orgasm on the female partners side are inconsequential in marriage.
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^ lets say hypothetically all the men in the world are taken n a normal woman wants a man...what options does she have but to either sleep around or go lesbo or get married to a married man? What is better?
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what is the relevance of such a hypothetical question here?
here are some facts.
1. there are more men than women in the world today. like PCG said, the sex ratio is skewed in favor of males.
2. out of this, the age group of 60+ yrs, there are more women than men.
3. this implies, there are even more men than women in the ages of sexual activity/marital opportunity.
now lets consider the not so hypothetical situation in many a society today - more eligible men than women. what options does the extra normal men have than to either sleep around or go gay or get married to a married woman? what is better? thanks in advance.
It’s good to see people actually reading quotes in the context..
when people even go ahead and can have the nerve to take the ayaahs of Quran out of context -WORD OF ALLAH… Then, Brother Dr. Zakir Naik is only a slave of the same Almighty…
In surah At Tuaba: ALLAH:swt: says:
9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Queer and Co. can now jump up and down on this and can easily forget what Zakir Naik has been saying:D
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I want you to explicitly define the exceptions too. Thanks.
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as usual, AQ continues to flood with irrelevent material. back to the topic.
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it was very much relevent w.r.t your jumping up and down…
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not at all. what you are doing is flooding with irrelevent verses from the quran in a provocative manner so that you can turn it into a muslims vs rest of them fight. cheap tactics. no sawab for you tonight.
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Queer: it was to show how people take things out of context. Read the quoted verses and without checking the context I can assure you, you will come with similar arguments you came against Zakir Naik.
Very much related indeed.
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dude, there are a gazillion things that can be taken out of context. doesnt mean they are relevent to this discussion. grow up.
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It is very much related for you took it out of context.. admit:-p
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mods, could you please move AQ's diversion and the following posts to another thread? thanks.