Re: Female Prophets
i think the reason for not having a female prophets is obvious...those reasons being:
-parda -going out on preaching missions for long period of time -pregnancies and children -torture by opponents -future husband may come in the way for propagation of the message
etc
islam was around from the beginning of time...parda..wasn't...negates # 1.
Re: Female Prophets
islam was around from the beginning of time...parda..wasn't...negates # 1.
Was Namaz/Prayres/Masajids were there at the beginning of times? No... so this counter refutes ur senseless argument altogether.
Anything else?
I am all for female prophets/imams, but then they will be taking a break for seven days from the prophecies/imamat, every month. What is the followers suppose to do during that time? And would it not be little awkward for the whole ummat/congregation to know about the monthly cycles schedule of their leader?
Re: Female Prophets
Was Namaz/Prayres/Masajids were there at the beginning of times? No... so this counter refutes ur senseless argument altogether.
Anything else?
say wha?
Re: Female Prophets
phil/cold
parda was not arab culture, neither it was part of beginning of islam( islam as in 1400+ years ago)
Its was ordered when prophets wives were mistreated in the markets, suggestive remarks were passed at them..
They went though a lot in madina. So it was asked for them to cover.
I only know this much about parda
Re: Female Prophets
say wha?
u heard me kiddo.
Re: Female Prophets
islam was around from the beginning of time...parda..wasn't...negates # 1.
parda was there in every prophets time in one form or the other...even, Hindus have ghunghaT system. Mennonites and Nuns still cover themselves closer to Islamic dress code.
Re: Female Prophets
phil/cold
parda was not arab culture, neither it was part of beginning of islam( islam as in 1400+ years ago) Its was ordered when prophets wives were mistreated in the markets, suggestive remarks were passed at them.. They went though a lot in madina. So it was asked for them to cover.
I only know this much about parda
Well, what that other guy was claiming has nothing to do with what the discussion was about.
As far as parda is concerned... remember when Hz Adam and Hz Hawwa were stripped off their privileges and their cloths when they had that fateful bite of the apple... their first act was of utter shock and disbelief, and despite the fact that only those two were in their Jannah, they immediately ran for the leaves and took refuge under the branches of the trees.... hence proves that parda in a way or another was applicable...was there...since beginning of time.
Re: Female Prophets
The position of female prophets in Islam is that there is no evidence for their existence, neither have they been negated, except through scholarly discourse. However, we do believe some women on multiple occasions have been honoured by the visitation of angels, and among the high ranking angels including Sayyiduna Jibreel (AS).
Perhaps the reason why female prophets did not come was because it is suggested in the Qur'an that people were sent to people ... Not angels to deliver the message ... So it appears that it is the Sunnah of revelation to send a messenger who is considered equal by the society they come to ... So for all the male prophets we know about we can conclude they were male because they were sent to patriarchal societies ... So male prophets would dealing with male tribes leaders, also we see that Sayyiduna Salih and Hud were sent as messengers to their own tribes i.e. They were giants to us, but equals to their own ... Today women are considered equals to men ... But in previous societies, when we learn about them, they were patriarchal ...
Presumably if there was such a social structure known famously as the Amazonians, where the women were the warriors and their societies were matriarchal then to such people it would make sense that a woman prophet be sent ... So it less to do with the gender of the prophet, but more to do with the society they were being sent to that dictated the gender of the messenger.
And Allah (SWT) Knows Best
Re: Female Prophets
The position of female prophets in Islam is that there is no evidence for their existence, neither have they been negated, except through scholarly discourse. However, we do believe some women on multiple occasions have been honoured by the visitation of angels, and among the high ranking angels including Sayyiduna Jibreel (AS).
Perhaps the reason why female prophets did not come was because it is suggested in the Qur'an that people were sent to people ... Not angels to deliver the message ... So it appears that it is the Sunnah of revelation to send a messenger who is considered equal by the society they come to ... So for all the male prophets we know about we can conclude they were male because they were sent to patriarchal societies ... So male prophets would dealing with male tribes leaders, also we see that Sayyiduna Salih and Hud were sent as messengers to their own tribes i.e. They were giants to us, but equals to their own ... Today women are considered equals to men ... But in previous societies, when we learn about them, they were patriarchal ...
Presumably if there was such a social structure known famously as the Amazonians, where the women were the warriors and their societies were matriarchal then to such people it would make sense that a woman prophet be sent ... So it less to do with the gender of the prophet, but more to do with the society they were being sent to that dictated the gender of the messenger.
And Allah (SWT) Knows Best
So what you're saying is that god reinforces societal norms, even if they're wrong? So if a prophet came in this day and age, it could be a she and she would consider men and women as equal?
Re: Female Prophets
some Hindus I know worship Kali...................was she a prophet? or is only Goddess from mythology?
Re: Female Prophets
some Hindus I know worship Kali...................was she a prophet? or is only Goddess from mythology?
Many Hindus worship Kali and other goddesses! But that's not the same as messengers or prophets. The people that supposedly speak to and on behalf of god(s). In Hinduism, like all religions, they are all men! Why doesn't Kali speak to women? Why can't women be priests?
Moreover, why don't men commit sati? Why is it only incumbent on women?
Re: Female Prophets
Many Hindus worship Kali and other goddesses! But that's not the same as messengers or prophets. The people that supposedly speak to and on behalf of god(s). In Hinduism, like all religions, they are all men! Why doesn't Kali speak to women? Why can't women be priests? Moreover, why don't men commit sati? Why is it only incumbent on women?
"Sati" is not a muslim concept. So perhaps the proper audience for it would be the followers of the Hindu faith. Islam does not condone taking of own life, or unjustly taking of another life so the entire concept of "sati" is null as far as the topic is concerned.
Re: Female Prophets
"Sati" is not a muslim concept. So perhaps the proper audience for it would be the followers of the Hindu faith. Islam does not condone taking of own life, or unjustly taking of another life so the entire concept of "sati" is null as far as the topic is concerned.
The issue being discussed is female prophets, not Islam. The topic seems to have spanned to Abrahamic and Vedic religions. In any case, Islam is no different than any other myriad of religions that don't have female prophets. And I submit, like all those other religions, Islam was also conjured up my men, hence no female prophets.
Re: Female Prophets
phil/cold
parda was not arab culture, neither it was part of beginning of islam( islam as in 1400+ years ago) Its was ordered when prophets wives were mistreated in the markets, suggestive remarks were passed at them.. They went though a lot in madina. So it was asked for them to cover.
I only know this much about parda
pardah was for every muslim woman, not just for wives of Prophet. Open Qurran... It is clearly written. Do nt confuse ths situation. Thanks
Re: Female Prophets
The issue being discussed is female prophets, not Islam. The topic seems to have spanned to Abrahamic and Vedic religions. In any case, Islam is no different than any other myriad of religions that don't have female prophets. And I submit, like all those other religions, Islam was also conjured up my men, hence no female prophets.
You can submit whatever your heart desires. That's not what the OP asked. If a religion had female prophets then it would be a religion conjured up by women? I suppose the pre-requisite for a scholarly and honest approach to answer the OP and religious topics in most instances, would be to first believe in A religion.
Since you do not believe in religions, your own contribution sort of discredits you addressing the topic which is clearly religion oriented.
Re: Female Prophets
So what you're saying is that god reinforces societal norms, even if they're wrong? So if a prophet came in this day and age, it could be a she and she would consider men and women as equal?
Peace kprasad
I'm perfectly capable of saying "god reinforces societal norms" if I want to say that ... I am not however saying that at all ... you are claiming that I am saying that ... I am saying that God sent messengers to people in accordance with how they best receive them. I am also not going to entertain that lunacy of if a prophet came today ... I'm a Muslim - prophethood has been completed.
Re: Female Prophets
The only one doing any conjuring up is you … 
Let’s use some everyday examples to determine whether such a notion of “men only x therefore originators must be men” … And as it implies and Teggy has noted … by this logic “female only x therefore originators must be female and mixed men and female x therefore … originators must be of both genders”.
Let get some examples going to ground this imagination you have …
Re: Female Prophets
pardah was for every muslim woman, not just for wives of Prophet. Open Qurran... It is clearly written. Do nt confuse ths situation. Thanks
I only meant to give idea how it started, nothing more. As an interesting fact.
pardah was for every muslim woman, not just for wives of Prophet. Open Qurran… It is clearly written. Do nt confuse ths situation. Thanks
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Errm, before you blame others for confusing the situation, could you clarify and quote exactly where it’s written for every Muslim woman to do chehre ka parda.
And just for the correction, there is no double R in Quran. It’s not Qurran. I thought before you go all Mufti on others, you might want to correct the pronunciation.