Seems to be a good reason to believe that the Quran is the complete, perfect and fully detailed book that it claims to be. How is someone to know which hadith to believe and which are fabrications and lies created by humans and jinn devils? A lot of possibility for human error and misguidance when the Quran (word of God) says that it is 'complete' (6:115), 'fully detailed' (6:114), that 'nothing' has been left out of it (6:38) and that it offers ‘explanations for everything' (16:89).
Yeah, my policy is to only to believe the Hadith which are 100% authentic and not even slightly suspect.
So I've got to say I disagree with female circumcision totally.
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In this matter, it is wise to follow the interests of the female: if the clitoris is large, then part of it should be removed, otherwise it should be left alone. This size of the clitoris will vary from woman to woman, and there may be differences between those from hot climates and those from cold climates.
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What’s small and what is large? Who is the Clit measurer? Is there a head guy whose job is to measure the clitoris's of the women in each village/town? How Fecking ridiculous.
Sara, That’s not true. This practice (known as FGM) is done in various ways and forms mostly in the Middle East and Africa, for example in Yemen Iraq Jordan and Saudi Arabia, it is different from what goes on in Nigeria, Mali, Ivory Caost, etc…. I think Somila and Sudan are the worst. If those who do it happen to be Muslims, doesn’t necessarily mean that they are following Islamic commandments. In all parts of Africa where it is preavelent, it is across religious lines. Christians, Copts, Indigenous religions, etc. etc. It’s very very ver minor in Pakistan or India; so minor that i have yet to meet someone who knows of any female who had gone thru FGM. So, it is not Islamic….
tandy-mazaq needs another circumcision!
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The Sunnah is not to remove all of it, but only a part. (al-Mawsu‘ah al-Fiqhiyyah 19/28).
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the Prophet being a male i'm a little at loss... or does anything and everything that happened around the Prophet or in his times becomes "Sunnah" for you guys automatically??
first of all any thing that the rasul said did or aproved of is sunnah according to all jurists.
but as gupguppy said that the hadith might be daif and since i do not blidnly follow sheikh al munajjid or any other man other than rasul :saw: so i see no hesitation to say that may be the hadith is daef and there really is not basis in islam for female circumcission.
wallah o alam
i dont see this issue as do or die, even if the hadith is sahih it does not force women and if it is daif, then it is batil, so nothing is changed. it is not like something about aqeedah (belief) that if we mess up on it we loose the hereafter. inshallah no confrontation in this issue from me.
WRT your first para, then why post such doubtful stuff and complicate even more the understanding of the most misunderstood faith for common people (muslims or non-muslims).
WRT your second para, this issue is important cz as some posters mentioned above how commonly it is practised in some parts of the world IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. Like they FORCING this brutal acts on women in those parts of the world implying that this is what ISLAM teaches. What kind of picture does give to the rest of the world as well as to those muslims who do not put an effort to go deep into it to get the real picture? dont you think relating the kind of hadees that you did would further confuse people. So they always stay unsure about whether this NONSENSE tradition does have an origin in Islam or not. Why not give them a clear picture.... atleast we can try? After so much is going on against muslims cz of THEIR OWN STUPID ACTS AND IGNORANCE, isnt this OUR duty to expose the TRUTH as much as possible instead of complicating it further?
That is what makes this an important issue otherwise many wrong/bad things have happened in the name of many faiths. It doesnt bother the whole world but look at where we stand now cz of our ignorance and refusal to accept our teachings are wrong. We are at a critical stage where no one but WE have to do the best we can to find out and spread the TRUTH.
Islam..... THE PEACEFUL RELIGION is not just for you and for me.... it is for the ENTIRE HUMANITY. If we, being muslims, spread (knowing or unknowingly, it doesnt matter) a wrong message to others, we are worse than those who are against it for whatever reasons.
So kindly think several times before relating something silly such as this to Islam. I know it should not be an issue of "do or die" but it has become.... cz of the circumstances that we face today.
Hope that makes sense to you.
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i see no hesitation to say that may be the hadith is daef and there really is not basis in islam for female circumcission.
wallah o alam
i dont see this issue as do or die, even if the hadith is sahih it does not force women and if it is daif, then it is batil, so nothing is changed. it is not like something about aqeedah (belief) that if we mess up on it we loose the hereafter. inshallah no confrontation in this issue from me.
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Female clitoris is chopped off so that the lady in question won’t feel any pleasure during copulation .
In some cases female vagina is also sewed , so that groom can make sure that the female is “pure” and “chaste”.
On the wedding night , the groom cuts the threads , and then compulates . After the wedding night , the bed-sheet is shown to groom’s elders to verify that , indeed the hyman reptured during the copulation.
Here’s the link to an Islamic website:
Apparently Prophet also approved of this practice .
:bism:
Let me enlighten you a little about Islamic faith before you choose to indulge in it and make a complete fool of yourself…Ignorance may be a case for a misinformed mistake but it is not a case against deliberate idiocy…
First, The 
in Islam is used before beginning something, not ending it…It means ‘In the name of Allah, the most Beneficient and the most Merciful’…
Second, the Hadith you have quoted is proclaimed weak by the compiler himself (Abu Dawood)…
Third, many of pre-Islamic practices were left intact in Arabia after the coming of Islam which were associated with other religions out of tolerance and respect for them and one of them would definitely have been female circumcision…Note in the Hadith that a woman used to do it…Does it mention Muslim women doing it or being done to? No…So like many other things which the Holy Prophet :saw: adviced, even to non-Muslims, female circumcision would have been one of them…
Fourth, the FGM involves the clitoris, the part which is involved with giving the sensation of pleasure to the woman, so onece severed, the woman is not able to achieve pleasure…So, if the Holy Prophet :saw: condoned and approved the practice, then why did Islam put the onus of divorcing a man who could not pleasure a woman on her? How can Islam allow a woman to divorce a man if he cannot give her pleasure yet approve of a practice which would take away her pleasure? Sexual gratification between a wife and husband is very important in Islam from both perspectives…
Fifth, seek clarifications regarding Islam before jumping the gun…Many have tried in trying to look smart and ended up looking like idiots…In order to seek knowledge one must be soft humble in being able to understand it, otherwise it just bounces off…
^ I know you don't respect the views of non-Muslims and hate them for encouraging moderate Mohammedism, but your patronizing of others with your self proclaimed superior knowledge and understanding of Islam is as far from humble as one can get. What makes this particularly perplexing is that your enlightment and self righteousness comes after only 3 years of study. At this pace you will be caliph in a few short years.
Seminole, your faith in me is heart-warming…
BTW, it’s ‘Mohammedanism’, not ‘Mohammedism’ and this term was outdated a long time ago when scholars clearly defined the difference between Islam and Mohammedanism…
Unlike Christianity, in which Jesus himself is god and Christians worship him and the faith is based around him, it’s okay…But our faith does not revolve around Mohammed :saw: but God…And God chose to name His religion Islam…Just a misconception I thought I’d clarify…
Secondly, whatever I write about is such basic knowledge…You read, you come upon them and you remember when to use them…That’s all…
As far as being a Khalifa is concerned, I believe every Muslim should be prepared to be one…I can’t…As you can see, many of my replies are hot-headed and filled with much anger…The Khalifa has to be a real cool-headed dude, something I am far from becoming…Let me first become a Muslim, then we’ll go on…
^ You realize that if 4 people see us making out like that we could both be pushed off a cliff? These witnesses may have read that, come upon us and remember it to use against us. Religion and spirituality is so much more than just reading something, isn't it?
Don’t be such a Mullah Seminole…It’s just a smilie…Lighten up…Here…Take time to smell this flower…
So you are one of those making efforts to spread the confusion and complicate the last faith for common people to understand.
I doubt that you are posting this out of ignorance and I doubt that you actually follow or approve of this hadees or tradition. I believe the only intention of posting this and in bold letters was to confuse some among us. And spread the negative image by reatedly posting the same thing that we have discussed is UNAUTHENTICATED.
I hope God has kept a special place in hell for you to burn for propagating this false sh!t by relating it to Islam.
But I really wish to see you somewhere, somehow… to beat you up real good.
Hi,
Why does it irritate you Lajawab correcting dark_knite for quoting the hadees WE KNOW IS FLASE. You should be glad at someone pointing out the FACTS if you are honest. So, is dark_knite your other ID on GS?
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it's cultural...not religious...
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it's cultural...not religious...
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Millions of Muslims in Africa will disagree with you. Who is fighting the Jihad to educate these Muslims? It seems mroe non Muslims are interested in helping the victims of FGM then Muslims.
Unfortunately that’s true. We like to call the nonmuslims murderers and evil, and yet hardly any of our own Muslims are doing anything to help out their fellow brother or sister 
..it’s sad really. Another reason why the practice is still so widespread in those countries is because of the bad reputation the West has for exploiting its women, i.e., plastic surgery, unrealistic beauty standards, even just being allowed to appear in public in a bikini. So they (the ones condoning and committing this horrible practice) figure, “let us practice our beliefs and you can keep on stripping your women and using them to sell cars”