I think …its the best combination that was possible … education … experience … and capability … good luck for Pakistan !
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I sure hope not.
For starters, almost 50% of Pakistan’s population is female and yet shockingly just 2 out of the 25 members of this new cabinet are women. Both of these are “junior ministers” so not even first-degree federal ministers. PML-N itself must have nominated dozens of women parliamentarians on reserved seats from its own party so surely at least a few of them must have been capable enough to hold cabinet-level portfolios?
Moreover, out of the the 25 ministers, there are a mere 6 ministers from all the other three smaller provinces combined. Shockingly, for instance, only one of them is from Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa!?! What sort of message is PML-N sending to the people of the country?
I am sorry but the composition of this cabinet is a step backwards for Pakistan and is hardly reflective of the diversity of the country.
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first point : aik thau cabinet size ko small rkhna tha is lye siraf experienced logo ko h minsters bnaya gya jo phle bhi divisions aur ministries ko chla chuke h .... is m male ya female ki discrimination ni rkhi gye ....
second point : yh coalition government ni h only PML-N ne government form ki h aur PML-N ne 95% Punjab se vote liya h naturally wha se unke zyada ministers aye ge
third point : Punjab ki population aur literacy rate sb se zyada h .... mostly professional log Punjab se h ... so why Punjab ke ministers zyada h
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**Highly Professional Cabinet Ministers from Punjab
*Science & Tech Minister ***
Khurram Dastgir Khan elected MNA from Gujranwala
**Planning & Development and Deputy Chairman Planning Commission ( sb se important position … )
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Petroleum and Natural Resources*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid_Khaqan_Abbasi
Water and Power
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*Finance & Revenue
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This sums it all
God help Pakistan! These “extremely competent people” have served nearly thrice before, right???! We;; Since Maryam Nawaz Shareef has aready deemed them the best choice, what can one say of this non familial non heirarchial party!
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I sure hope not.
For starters, almost 50% of Pakistan's population is female and yet shockingly just 2 out of the 25 members of this new cabinet are women. Both of these are "junior ministers" so not even first-degree federal ministers. PML-N itself must have nominated dozens of women parliamentarians on reserved seats from its own party so surely at least a few of them must have been capable enough to hold cabinet-level portfolios?
Moreover, out of the the 25 ministers, there are a mere 6 ministers from all the other three smaller provinces combined. Shockingly, for instance, only one of them is from Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa!?! What sort of message is PML-N sending to the people of the country?
I am sorry but the composition of this cabinet is a step backwards for Pakistan and is hardly reflective of the diversity of the country.
Should portfolios be handled by people who understand what they're doing or should it all be based on ethnic or gender considerations?
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Should portfolios be handled by people who understand what they're doing or should it all be based on ethnic or gender considerations?
Not* all *of the portfolios *obviously *but I would imagine a little bit of diversity wouldn't go amiss in the composition of the federal cabinet of a heterogeneous country. Not least in the wake of an election outcome when the party that is forming the federal government apparently received as much as "95%" of its votes in just one province. Besides, it is hard to believe that all the people who can "understand what they're doing" are men and most of them apparently belong to Punjab.
That said, if these guys who "understand what they're doing" are such indispensable experts in their field then they will surely be able to perform great for the country. Good luck to them...
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^ that one province is 60% of population and if most of your elected representatives of PML(N) are coming from that province then it would obviously be a Punjab dominated cabinet.
When you say "Understand what they are doing", you should look at two women ministers of from last regime. Aapaan Firdaus Aashiq Awan and Fashion Khar. Do you remember what the last "Railways minister" said and did? He was from a smaller province. Or, Would you really want to see a cabinet like Baluchistan last time when almost ALL members of parliament were ministers?
Making sweeping statements is easy. If you can identify replacements from women and smaller provinces for specific people being suggested for specific ministeries, we can debate that.
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^ that one province is 60% of population and if most of your elected representatives of PML(N) are coming from that province then it would obviously be a Punjab dominated cabinet.
Everyone knows the demographics of Pakistan. Those demographics, after all, enabled PML-N to form the government in center in the first place. But even speaking from a perspective of proportionality, and even keeping aside the exceptionally-skewed gender imbalance in the Cabinet's composition, it is over-dominant from Punjab.
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"Fashion Khar" was no Pakistani version of Hillary Clinton but at least she did a fairly good job considering the constraints she faced working as a Foreign Minister under the thumb of the military-establishment. She also portrayed a good, softer image of Pak in other countries as a woman holding a key position that is considered of much import elsewhere. The sexist allegations that were unfortunately leveled against were reflective of none of her own shortcomings.
In a similar vein, despite some of the sexism and ridicule that "Aapaan Firdaus Aashiq Awan" received for her physical appearance, she was just one other member of what was largely an incompetent cabinet and parliament; if she was bad, none of her peers were shining stars. And there is no proof that the current cabinet is blessed with such stars either.
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Citing Bilour as a precautionary example in a discussion about the significant lack of representation of members from smaller provinces is just patronizing. At most, he was an aberration; his idiotic comment and poor performance are no indicator of the intellect or capability and *no *predictor of the performance and competence of a person belonging to a smaller province.
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Or, Would you really want to see a cabinet like Baluchistan last time when almost ALL members of parliament were ministers?
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That would be ridiculous, of course, and I would imagine accommodating all 300+ of them in the cabinet would prove a little challenging, unless more portfolios were created for them like Minister for Tax Evasion, Minister for Welfare of Parliamentarians, Minister for Bhatta Khori etc.
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Nawaz Sharif has formed federal cabinets before. Twice. Some of these ministers in his third Cabinet were also present in previous ones too. In neither of his last two instances, however, the performance of his government or ministers were exemplary before they were sent packing home. And I am not much confident that things would be much different this time either. But, of course, if these cabinet ministers are so one-of-a-kind, they should deliver this time around. In which case, the country and its people would benefit.
nice joke!
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Everyone knows the demographics of Pakistan. Those demographics, after all, enabled PML-N to form the government in center in the first place. But even speaking from a perspective of proportionality, and even keeping aside the exceptionally-skewed gender imbalance in the Cabinet's composition, it is over-dominant from Punjab.
"Fashion Khar" was no Pakistani version of Hillary Clinton but at least she did a fairly good job considering the constraints she faced working as a Foreign Minister under the thumb of the military-establishment. She also portrayed a good, softer image of Pak in other countries as a woman holding a key position that is considered of much import elsewhere. The sexist allegations that were unfortunately leveled against were reflective of none of her own shortcomings.
In a similar vein, despite some of the sexism and ridicule that "Aapaan Firdaus Aashiq Awan" received for her physical appearance, she was just one other member of what was largely an incompetent cabinet and parliament; if she was bad, none of her peers were shining stars. And there is no proof that the current cabinet is blessed with such stars either.
Citing Bilour as a precautionary example in a discussion about the significant lack of representation of members from smaller provinces is just patronizing. At most, he was an aberration; his idiotic comment and poor performance are no indicator of the intellect or capability and *no *predictor of the performance and competence of a person belonging to a smaller province.
That would be ridiculous, of course, and I would imagine accommodating all 300+ of them in the cabinet would prove a little challenging, unless more portfolios were created for them like Minister for Tax Evasion, Minister for Welfare of Parliamentarians, Minister for Bhatta Khori etc.
Nawaz Sharif has formed federal cabinets before. Twice. Some of these ministers in his third Cabinet were also present in previous ones too. In neither of his last two instances, however, the performance of his government or ministers were exemplary before they were sent packing home. And I am not much confident that things would be much different this time either. But, of course, if these cabinet ministers are so one-of-a-kind, they should deliver this time around. In which case, the country and its people would benefit.
and you still didn't answer the pertinent question. the specific alternatives from smaller provinces and women. you are criticizing for the sake of criticizing. Fashion Khar didn't even contest election from her own constituency for fear of defeat. She didn't do anything for the impovrished people who voted her in, and you expect us to believe that the likes of her would do something out of ordinary for the whole country? and that too just because its a ''she''.
Talking of soft image, meera or veena malik would be more 'soft' isn't it? its all about eyecandy in foreign policy as you put it.
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No pashtun in the federal cabinet.
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Everyone knows the demographics of Pakistan. Those demographics, after all, enabled PML-N to form the government in center in the first place. But even speaking from a perspective of proportionality, and even keeping aside the exceptionally-skewed gender imbalance in the Cabinet's composition, it is over-dominant from Punjab......
Cabinet is never representative. Cabinet is always function oriented.
Parliament is representative. National Assembly has more than necessary (in my opinion) 'representation' of women. Senate has more than geographically or demographically proportional representation from smaller provinces.
Ministers are supposed to be 'executive' branch of government, assisting Prime Minister in his executive position. In the past we have had 'ministers' made just to adjust a particular ally, race or region and that never helped. We even had an unprecedented office of 'deputy prime minister' created to adjust an 'ally'.
Again, if department for department, you have a suggestion for a better person to be a minister, please enlighten us. That person should be,
- more capable, than the suggester person, of handling affairs of that department,
- capable of working amicably with NS.
Just a pointer: Malaysia has over 25% Chinese population but only two Chinese ministers in inconsequential positions in the current cabinet. The major issues Chinese are concerned about are not their representation but the quality of education and corruption in the country.
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The Spokesman Pakistan - Lopsided Cabinet favours Punjab, Kashmiris
Lopsided Cabinet favours Punjab, Kashmiris
No Pashtun to punish PTI?
**Politically Incorrect
Amir MateenIslamabad— The Federal Cabinet does not have a single Pashtun either from Khyber Pashtunkhwa or Balochistan, which encouraged many to allege that the Pashtuns have been punished for voting for Imran Khan.
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Even the National Assembly Deputy Speaker, Javed Murtaza Abbassi is a Hindko-speaking from Hazara and so are the Advisor Sardar Yousaf. This may be the first time in history that there Pashtuns are not represented even among the first 25 top positions in terms of protocol.
The President, the Prime Minister, Senate Chairman and his Deputy, National Assembly Speaker and his Deputy, the Chief Justice, none of the armed forces chiefs and the entire federal Cabinet does not have a single Pashtun. **All this in a government that claims to talk to Taliban who are largely Pashtuns and will also need to negotiate with Afghanistan the situation after the US withdrawal. This might have been forgivable if the Cabinet had been formed on the basis of competence and not on the ethnic and geographical lines.
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**This should pain the Pashtuns more as the Federal Cabinet is heavily lopsided in favour of the fortress Punjab that brought the PML (N) to power.
As many as 20 ministers out of the total 25 are from the biggest Punjab. It is extremely one-sided even if we take the population criterion that suits Punjab. It has 56 per cent of the population but has been given 80 per cent of the Cabinet. Gujranawala Division alone has been allotted eight Ministers: Khawaja Asif (Sialkot), Ahsan Iqbal (Narowal) , Zahid Hamid (Pasrur), Rana Tanveer (Gujranwala), Khurram Dastgir (Gujranwala), Usman Ibrahim (Gujranwala) and Saira Afzal Tarar (Gujranwala). Four Ministers are from Lahore city: Anusha Rehman , Ishaq Dar Khawaja Saad Rafiq, Kamran Micheal. The fifth from the Lahore Division is Birgees Tahir. This after giving Lahore 80 per cent of the seats from women quota in the National Assembly.** **At least five of the Cabinet Ministers are from the royal Kashmiri clan—Khawaja Asif, Ishaq Dar, Saad Rafiq, Khuram Dastgir and Anusha Rehman is also suspected be Kashmiri as are the Prime Minister and his kid brother, Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif. Rawalpindi Division has also fared well by securing five Ministers: Chaudhary Nisar, Khaqan Abbassi, Malik Aftab, Pir Amin ul Hasnat and Pervaiz Rashid.
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There is not a single Cabinet member from Faisalabad, Sargodha and D G Khan Divisions even in Punjab. Three Ministers are from Sindh: Pir Sadruddin Rashdi, Hakeem Baloch and Murtaza Jatoi and two from Balochistan: Jam Kamal and Abdul Qadir Baloch.
Principles and morality have not been a big consideration in Cabinet-formation. Many expressed the hope, particularly Pashtunkhwa Milli Awami Party Chief, Mahmood Khan Achakzai, that the PML (N) may not accept the members who were tainted in the Musharraf regime. It may have been fairly acceptable for the PML (N) to have the turncoat ‘electables’ to win the election. But to have Musharraf’s closest people in the Cabinet may have punctured the morality balloon of Nawaz Sharif. He got five Ministers from Musharraf’s team including Zahid Hamid, Abdul Qadir Baloch, Murtaza Jatoi, Sikandar Bosan and Sadruddin Rashdi. Jam Kamal may not have been directly involved but his late father, Jam Yousaf was Musharraf’s henchman.
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Basically 75 % of Pakistan's ministers are from three divisions (Lahore, Gujranwala and Rawalpindi), 18 out of 25 ministers.
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just because OP supports noon league so its best combination 
and then they say PTI supporters are always defending IK 
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chhurri talle dum to lene do cabinet ko… sir mudhate hi olay paRe… be-sabri Pakistani awaam 
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Year 2008: Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan [Gilani to call cabinet meeting to discuss power shortage: Sherry]
Year 2011: http://tribune.com.pk/story/304899/cabinet-body-to-discuss-circular-debt-tomorrow/ [Cabinet body to discuss circular debt tomorrow]
Year 2012: PM to chair Cabinet meeting to discuss power shortage | Pakistan - geo.tv
‘Representative’ cabinet ka achaar daalna hai?
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^ the issue is that all of these competent ministers have had a chance to work in many regimes in the past. Not once did they perform, let's hope this time they would.
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^^ Kakaballi, why don't you enlighten us, department by department, about the unique geniuses of those chosen gentlemen, telling us why they are so irreplaceable in this Cabinet and preferable over their less-"capable" 300+ other peers? No one wants a strictly "representative" cabinet but is this the best that could have been achieved considering the challenges and the fault lines that the country faces?
I was shocked, for instance, that just one member of this Cabinet is from KPK but, in fact, even he is not a Pashtun, as Ali pointed out above. Pashtuns are the second largest ethnic group of Pakistan. They are proud of their heritage and their background. I think the suggestion therefore that not even one of them was "capable" enough to be trusted with a position in Pakistan's cabinet is a little condescending.