There is similar discrimination in Pakistan, based on religion, sect, ethnicity as well. ahmedis specially and some shias have had to hide their faith.
I think it is wonderful that we are able to discuss the issues faced in the region, lets just not get into a pissing contest here though. It has not yet which is encouraging.
This whole post sounds like you're defending the hindoos; atleast thats the feeling I get.
Not surprising though; I've always defended 'muhajirs' saying that their loyalty is toward Pakistan and they are as much Pakistani as say a sindhi. But posts like these make me reconsider.
muslim dil say hota hai. naam say fark nahi perhana chi hai. same as gunda looking guyz who wear pendant with ALLAH SWT writtern on it.
i am ok with this as far as they r doing it to protect their inner faith. i dont mind whether its lallu or its panju.
u cant neglect the fact that whehter u r from India or Pakistan, you will love it in a same way despite ur religious faith.
The problem isn't so much that they changed their names as much it is of the discrimination that these muslims have to face. My first name may be indian (I like to maintain that it has an aryan background) but I was born with hearing 'Ashadan-Laillahaillah; Ashadan Muhammadarasullah; Ashadan Aliyan Amirul momeeneen Aliullah' and inshAllah on my last breath I will recite the same kalimah. But the point is the indian muslims have to realize who their friends are and who isn't.
Anil, is an Indian Name. Indo-Aryan names are Hindu names.
Anyway, I think you should quit blabbering crap on the internet and go join your brothers in Taliban and help their struggle to establish Sharia all over this planet.
Anil, is an Indian Name. Indo-Aryan names are Hindu names.
Anyway, I think you should quit blabbering crap on the internet and go join your brothers in Taliban and help their struggle to establish Sharia all over this planet.
One of the central themes of the article and hence the thread is of education - and of which, it seems like, you have little.
It is common knowledge amongst the informed that the Aryan clan went in two directions upon their invasion - West (being Iran) and East (South Asia) specifically to SINDH!!! Hence, since sindh is part of Pakistan its culture very much includes those of the initial aryans. A language of the aryans was sanskrit and the name 'Anil' comes from that very same language.
Some like to discredit the aryan invasion theory; I, on the other hand, accept it; i get a much better sleep at night knowing that my name comes from a population that contrast in everyway with current day indian population.
One of the central themes of the article and hence the thread is of education - and of which, it seems like, you have little.
It is common knowledge amongst the informed that the Aryan clan went in two directions upon their invasion - West (being Iran) and East (South Asia) specifically to SINDH!!! Hence, since sindh is part of Pakistan its culture very much includes those of the initial aryans. A language of the aryans was sanskrit and the name 'Anil' comes from that very same language.
Some like to discredit the aryan invasion theory; I, on the other hand, accept it; i get a much better sleep at night knowing that my name comes from a population that contrast in everyway with current day indian population.
So you admit that your name comes from Sanskrit, Aryan Vedic language. Sanskrit is related to the Hindu religion, is it not? The 'Vedic Aryans', as I call them (the branch that headed towards Sindh/Indian subcontinent) developed the civilization where Hinduism bred, right? So how is a Sanskrit name not a Hindu name?
It's okay for you to have a Hindu name. You can still be a proud Jihadi. Most of the Arabic names were not Muslim names before Islam right? Most of the Persian names were close to the Zoroastrian religion. Today, they're all muslim. I don't see them trying to distance themselves from their Kafir past.
You will sleep even better if you get over your inferiority complex towards Indians.
As far as the AIT goes, there are many schools of thought. I don't see the point of debating that with you on this thread.
This whole post sounds like you're defending the hindoos; atleast thats the feeling I get.
Not surprising though; I've always defended 'muhajirs' saying that their loyalty is toward Pakistan and they are as much Pakistani as say a sindhi. But posts like these make me reconsider.
I am sorry is a sensible posts like the one you have an issue with makes you reconsider my loyalty. I think I would have been bothered if I had issues with random inconsequential folks questioning my loyalty, but since I dont, I will not get into a lecture that I cant help what the post seems to 'sound like' to you, because you are reading it through your own tinted glasses. It should be noted however that no other Pakistani or Indian has had an issue with my post.
to you loyalty may mean sticking your head in the sand and pretending that there are no issues. in which case, I can see why you would be offended.
Of the main article posted in the 1st post here, a few thoughts:* people will do what they have to survive. I'd draw parallel to the Sinhdi Hindus who have made some adjustments to survive in Pakistan
errr anil will question your loyalty soon maybe ..just thought I would give you a heads up :D
Anil, you should change your name's spellings to Aneel (just like Sameer became Samir). That looks more like a muslim name and it would give you more peace. Once this is done you can just start telling everyone that Aneel is an ancient Arabic name. Problem solved. You don't have to face your inferiority complex and you don't have to propagate twisted theories about the Hindu name Anil.
So you admit that your name comes from Sanskrit, Aryan Vedic language. Sanskrit is related to the Hindu religion, is it not? The 'Vedic Aryans', as I call them (the branch that headed towards Sindh/Indian subcontinent) developed the civilization where Hinduism bred, right? So how is a Sanskrit name not a Hindu name?
It's okay for you to have a Hindu name. You can still be a proud Jihadi. Most of the Arabic names were not Muslim names before Islam right? Most of the Persian names were close to the Zoroastrian religion. Today, they're all muslim. I don't see them trying to distance themselves from their Kafir past.
You will sleep even better if you get over your inferiority complex towards Indians.
As far as the AIT goes, there are many schools of thought. I don't see the point of debating that with you on this thread.
Agreed. Aryans did found what is known today as 'hinduism' and my name is a product of their culture. BUT, it was the south indians, dravidians, and other ethnicities who, because of THEIR inferiority complex, adopted the religion and wanted become more like the aryans.
Why in the world would I have an inferiority complex towards indians (of all people). You people are........ well I don't want to get banned so I'm gonna leave it at that.
And I do spell my name with Aneel. But regardless of name, the main thing is I'm a muslim, alhumdullilah.
I am sorry is a sensible posts like the one you have an issue with makes you reconsider my loyalty. I think I would have been bothered if I had issues with random inconsequential folks questioning my loyalty, but since I dont, I will not get into a lecture that I cant help what the post seems to 'sound like' to you, because you are reading it through your own tinted glasses. It should be noted however that no other Pakistani or Indian has had an issue with my post.
to you loyalty may mean sticking your head in the sand and pretending that there are no issues. in which case, I can see why you would be offended.
Just 'cause noone says anything doesn't mean they don't think it. You are after all one of the admins or in charge so I'm sure others don't wanna get on your bad side. I, on the other hand, tell it like it is.
We do have problems in our country and we're trying to deal with it; but comparing pakistan's problems to hindu's discrimination of muslims is ignoring the problem. I don't get why the hindoos feel so superior to muslims; I mean just look at them! A population knee deep in HIV problems, caste stratification, and poverty looks down at muslims???????
I don't know why majority of Pakistani restaurants in Canada (and prolly in US and UK and Australia) have the sign Pakistan and Indian cuisine on their dukans. No Indian restaurants have the sign Indian and Pakisani cuisine in theirs.
I don't know why majority of Pakistani restaurants in Canada (and prolly in US and UK and Australia) have the sign Pakistan and Indian cuisine on their dukans. No Indian restaurants have the sign Indian and Pakisani cuisine in theirs.
Apparently indians are so infatuated with us that they love our food; so in order to accomidate them the restaurants put up 'indian cuisine' too.
The indian restaurants know that muslims don't or shouldn't eat food prepared by hindoos so they don't bother with the sign.
Just 'cause noone says anything doesn't mean they don't think it. You are after all one of the admins or in charge so I'm sure others don't wanna get on your bad side. I, on the other hand, tell it like it is.
You addressed the poitn of no one has said anything about it. btu did anything I write was factually incorrect? and a request to keep mudslinging out because I knew usual suspects would turn it into that was offensive enough to question loyalties? :)
We do have problems in our country and we're trying to deal with it; but comparing pakistan's problems to hindu's discrimination of muslims is ignoring the problem.
I suppose Indians can say they are trying to deal with it as well. The intent was not to 'ignore' the problem, but to request people to keep things in perspective as they discuss this issue.
I don't get why the hindoos feel so superior to muslims; I mean just look at them! A population knee deep in HIV problems, caste stratification, and poverty looks down at muslims???????
do you mean superior to Pakistani muslims or muslims as a whole? because if I then draw your attention towards muslims in Africa lets say somalia, sudan etc then you would start questioning my loyalties to my faith ;)
I don't know why majority of Pakistani restaurants in Canada (and prolly in US and UK and Australia) have the sign Pakistan and Indian cuisine on their dukans. No Indian restaurants have the sign Indian and Pakisani cuisine in theirs.
marketing mon ami...marketing... more indians in population, and more ppl in non desi population who know what Indian food is. the shop keepers are just expanding their target base.
You addressed the poitn of no one has said anything about it. btu did anything I write was factually incorrect? and a request to keep mudslinging out because I knew usual suspects would turn it into that was offensive enough to question loyalties? :)
I suppose Indians can say they are trying to deal with it as well. The intent was not to 'ignore' the problem, but to request people to keep things in perspective as they discuss this issue.
do you mean superior to Pakistani muslims or muslims as a whole? because if I then draw your attention towards muslims in Africa lets say somalia, sudan etc then you would start questioning my loyalties to my faith ;)
Okay, i'll try not to mudsling (although I don't think i did in my earlier posts; i coulda said a lot worse but chose to take the high road).
For me personally, muslims from wherever are my bretheren. But to be brutally honest, I would prefer Pak muslims to any other muslims. I know its wrong and its something i struggle with because we are all momeens; but on another level the preference makes sense because we all like what is familiar and to me Pakistanis are familiar.
And whatever you said isn't factually incorrect but I don't see why we have bring in pakistan's problems whenever we make mention of the hindoos' shortcomings; every country in the world has domestic problems. In this thread we are discussing the chronic mistreatment of muslims by the hindoos. Yet what's staggering is the loyalty that the new generation of indian muslims has for hindustan; i can't believe it! Its like they are the ones who have their heads buried in sand 'cause they're not acknowledging the past and present problems that they're people have faced.
Listen, I think hindoos can do whatever they want. If they want to do idolism, I'm fine with it; really, I am. But I just wish that South east asian muslims and ESPECIALLY Pakistanis make active and sincere effort to distance ourselves from the hindoos. They can be happy with their culture and lifestyle and us with ours. We should really promote our own products, our own entertainment, and our own islamic culture because after all WE HAVE OUR OWN IDENTITIY and it doesn't include being grouped with indian practices or values.
Oh and speaking of mudslinging; I've been called an ackhrot and a jihadi 'cause of my last name. I hate to be a rat but I'm just pointing out the facts.
marketing mon ami...marketing... more indians in population, and more ppl in non desi population who know what Indian food is. the shop keepers are just expanding their target base.
Exactly !!
Aneel Khan's explanation is something like what Moin would say. Twisted retarded theories.
Fear of persecution aside, human nature generally wants to tend to blend into the present society, regardless of the individual's roots.
For example,
-Tons of christians in karachi that i know have muslim names.
-A sikh family i know here in mississauga who's from pakistani punjab has named their kids Sadia, Bilal, Rabia etc.
-Almost every desi has a western name for various reasons like ease to blend in, sick of spelling their name correctly everytime, etc
Persecution however cannot be ruled out. When the peace loving but very decadent and ayaash muslims of Spain were driven out by the Christians, the remaining muslims had to slowly adopt non-muslim lifestyles and names in order to avoid persecution.
And whatever you said isn't factually incorrect but I don't see why we have bring in pakistan's problems whenever we make mention of the hindoos' shortcomings; every country in the world has domestic problems.
It was a proactive attempt to remind people to keep things in perspective as they discuss it and have a fruitful and civilized discussion than the pissing contests these types of threads end up being.