Fatwah of abusing sahabahs by ahl-sunnah scholars

Fatwas of Ulama of Ahle-Sunnah

Hadhrat Umar Ibne Abdul Aziz

One of his representatives from Kufa wrote him:

“Please advise me about a person, who abused Umar bin Al-Khattab. Should I kill him?”
He replied him:

“It is not allowed to kill any person due to abusing any muslim, except in case of abusing Rasool Allah (s). Thus, if anyone abuses Nabi (s), then his blood is Mubah”.

  1. Al-Shifa Ba-Tarif Haqooq Mustafaa, vol. 2, page 325, published in Baraili.
  2. Slalah al-Risalah Mulla Ali Qari, page 18, published in Jordan
  3. Al-Tabaqaatul Kubraa, vol. 5, page 369, published in Bairut.

Fatwa of Imam Malik

Imam Malik said:

“Anyone who abused Rasool Allah (s) should be killed. And anyone who abused Sahaba, he should be taught “Adab”(respect)”.

  1. Al-Shifa by Qadhi 'Iyadh, vol. 2, page 376, published by Matba Sadiqqi, Baraili, India.
  2. Al-Sarim al-Maslool, page 569, with reference to Defence of Abu Huraira, page 26, published in Peshawar, Pakistan

Mulla Barkhurdar Multani, the mentor of Sharh Nabras writes:

“The famous madhab of Imam Malik is this that there is Ijtehaad in it. Thus, the person must be taught Adab”
Nabras Ala-Sharh Al-Aqaeed, page 550, footnote No. 4, published in Meraith, India.

Also found in:

  1. “Sawaiq Muhariqah”, page 259, published by Maktaba al-Qahira (Cairo), Egypt

  2. Naseem al-Riyadh, Sharh al-Shifa by Qadi 'Iyadh, vol. 4, page 525, published by Maktaba Salfia, Madina Munawwara

Imam Nawawi Al-Shafi

Imam Mohiyyuddin Al-Nawwawi Al-Shafi writes:

“There is a consensus of All Aima and Fuqha of Ahle-Sunnah that abusing Sahaba Karam is Haram, but the punishment for this is not killing”
Al-Nawwawi, Sharh Sahih Muslim, vol. 2, page 310, published in Delhi

Mulla Ali Qari

Mualla Ali Qari is one of the most respected Alim of Hanafi Fiqh. His shows his opinion in these words:

"It is neither proved by Sahaba nor Tabaeen to kill a person or declare him kafir who insults Abu Bakr and Umar. And the 3 Imams i.e. Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Muhammad and Imam Abu Yousuf are unanimous that a person who insults Sheikhain (Abu Bakr and Umar) is neither Kafir nor Wajib-ul-Qatl. According to Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Abu Yousuf, even the witness of such a person is acceptable.
Silalatul Risalah, page 19, published in Jordan

In order to more clarify this fact, Mullah Ali Qari writes in “Sharah Fiqh Akbar”:

"Then again from the opinion of Imam Abu Hanifa that Ahle Qibla, even if he is Ahle Bidah (innovator) doesn’t become Kafir due to his sins, it proves that no one becomes Kafir merely by abusing Abu Bakr and Umar. To abuse Abu Bakr and Umar is NOT Kufr, as Abush Shakur as Salimi has correctly proved in his book, at Tamhid. And it is becuase the basis of this claim (claim that reviling the Shaykhan is kufr) is not proven, nor its meaning is confirmed.

It is so because certainly abusing a Muslim is fisq (sin) as is proved by a confirmed hadith, and therefore the Shaykhan(Abu Bakr and Umar) will be equal to the other (Muslims) in this rule; and also if we suppose that some one murdered the Shaykhan, and even the two sons in law (Ali and Usman), all of them together, even then according to Ahlussunnah wa al-Jamah, he will not go out of Islam (i.e will not become kafir)
Sharah Fiqah Akbar, page 86, printed in Matba Qayyumi, Kanpur India

Imam Hafidh Ibne Taymiyyah al-Damishqi

Imam Ibne Taymiyyah (Sheikul-ul-Islam of Salafies) wrote in his book Al-Sarimul Maslool, page 579 (first pulished by Taba Sa’ada Egypt), while giving arguments against Kufr of person who insulted Sahaba:

“And merely abusing some one other than the Prophets does not necessarily make the abuser Kafir; because some of those who were in the time of the Prophet (i.e companions) used to abuse one another and none of them was declared kafir because of this (practice); and (also) because it is not Wajib to have faith particularly in any of the companions; therefore abusing any of them does not detract from the faith in Allah and His books and His messengers and the Last day.”

Allamah Ibne Hajar al-Makki al-Hathaimi

The famous Muhaddith from Egypt Allama Shahabuddin Ahmad bin Hajar al-Haithami writes:

“And I haven’t found any opinion of any learned Alim that abusing a companion makes it obligatory to kill a person …………… And Ibne Mundhir says that I don’t know even a single person who considers it to kill the one who abuses anyone except Rasool Allah (saww).”
Sawiq-e-Muhariqqah, page 255, Taba Maktaba al-Qahira, Egypt

Allamah Allauddin al-Haskafi al-Hanafi

The famous Imam of Fiqah Hanafi Allamah Muhammad Allauddin al-Haskafi writes in his book "Darul Mukhtar, chapter of Immamat,page 72, published in Delhi, India:

"And all the people, who pray while facing to Qibla, they are not Kafirs. Even the Kharijeen are also not Kafir, although they thought our lives and properties “Halal” for them.

And those people, who think it is allowed to curse companions (due to their wrong-doings)and (those who) deny the attributes of Allah (swt) and deny that Allah can be seen, these people are not Kaffir, while this belief is held by them due to their “Taweel” and “Doubt”.

One of the reason of their not being Kaffir is this that their witness is commonly accepted (among Muslims).

Allamah Abdul Hai Lakhnawi

A very famous Hanafi Fiqhi Alim from Indian Sub-Continent Allah Abdul Hai Lakhnawi states while giving an answer to a qestion:

“According to Fatawas, the most correct statement is this that Shias are not Kaffir. And abusing Abu Bakr and Umar doesn’t constitute Kufr. And it is the fatwa of Imam Abu Hanifa.”

He further writes with reference to the book “Al-tamheed fi Biyan al-Tauheed” by Abu Shakoor Salimi:

“And this statement of shias that Ali (as) is better than Sheikhain is only a “Bidah”(innovation) but doesn’t constitute Kufr. And some of shias say that it is obligatory to send “Lanah”(cursing) upon opponents of Ali (as) like Hadhrat 'Aisha and Ameer Muawiyyah, it is also a “Bidah”, because they came to conclusion due to their “Taweel”. The summary of all this is this that it is totally against the “Madhab” of researchers to label shias as Kufir while they curse Sahaba.”
Majmoaa al-Fatawa, vol. 1, page 3-4, Matba Yousufi Farangi Mahli, Lakhnow, India

Maulana Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi

Maulana Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi is considered as one of the most respectable Ulama of Deoband. He was asked a question if a person, who says “Mardood” and “Malaoon” to Sahaba, will go out of the pale of Ahle-Sunnah wa Al-Jammah due to this “Greater Sin” (Gunah-e-Kabira)?

His replied:

"He will not go out of pale of Ahle Sunnah wa Al-Jammah due to this “Greater Sin”.
Talkhees of Fatawa Rasheedia, vol. 2, page 140-141, published in Delhi, India

Maulana Muhammad Rafique Athri

He is a Mudaris of Darul-Hadith Muhammadia, Jalalpur Pairowala, district Multan, Pakistan. He wrotes:

"The most correct opinion is this that ONLY that person can be killed who abuses Rasool Allah (saww). A person asked Abu Bakr for his permission to kill another person who criticized Abu Bakr. But Abu Bakr said: "No one has the right to kill anyone unjustly after Rasool Allah (saww) only due to his criticism on him.
Sunan Nisai, vol. 2, page 17

Also:
Al-Saiful Maslool, translated version, page 520, footnote 2, published in Multan Pakistan

Ahle Hadith Alim (Salafi) Hafidh Muhammad Ibrahim Sialkoti

The famous Ahle-Hadith Alim Hafidh Muhammad Ibrahim writes with Reference to “Sarim al-Maslool”:

The punishment of abusing Rasool Allah (saww) is killing. But we cannot kill anyone on base of merely abusing any Amir-al-Momineen.
Ahya al-Maiyyat Ma’a Tanweer al-Absar, page 46, published in Lahore Pakistan

Justice Malik Ghulam Ali of Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan

"I say that the one who started cursing and abusing, and the one who started in answer to this, both of them started a very bad thing. And whoever does it today, he does a very bad thing. But neither this crime is equal to “Revolt”, nor killing is it’s punishment. Some of the Ulama of Salaf were convinced that punishment of abusing Rasool Allah (saww) is killing, but except Rasool Allah (saww) talking bad about others or abusing them never punished by killing in Islam.
“Khilafat-o-Malookiat par 'Aitarazaat ka Tajzia” (A preview on objection on book “Caliphate and kingship” by Maulana Modoodi), page 272, published in Lahore.

Re: Fatwah of abusing sahabahs by ahl-sunnah scholars

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Imam Malik said:

"Anyone who abused Rasool Allah (s) should be killed. And anyone who abused Sahaba, he should be taught "Adab"(respect)".

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Yes, a lot of peopel need to be taught to respect Sahabas.. seems their lives mission is not complete without disrespecting Sahabas!

Re: Fatwah of abusing sahabahs by ahl-sunnah scholars

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Fatwa of Imam Malik

Imam Malik said:

"Anyone who abused Rasool Allah (s) should be killed. And anyone who abused Sahaba, he should be taught "Adab"(respect)".

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I dont have any thing against Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and respect him from bottom of my heart... nor I am an scholar to give fatwahs ..but as far I know... A lady used to throw stones at Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. every time he used to pass by her house and when one day she didn't Propeht MOhammad P.B.U.H. acquired and found out she was sick and Prophet went her home for her ayaadat and she like this deed of his so much that she embraced Islam.... but if that was the case why didnt Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. ordered to kill her.... Does this fatwah reflect true Islam Propeht Mohamamd P.B.U.H. preached... or its just some biddat?

Imam Malik said:

"Anyone who abused Rasool Allah (s) should be killed. And anyone who abused Sahaba, he should be taught "Adab"(respect)".

I don't agree with the above ^

Islam never preaches killing unless in self defence and that too if you are under the legitimate leadership.

yes all of ulema sare with the same opinion ................. but there are some other aqeedas of shias (which most of shias dont agree but is written in their books)..like tahreef ul quran etc........still it is not allowed to kill shiaz...but any one who believe in the above is definatelya kaffir and nowadays most of shias dont believe this.........

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yes all of ulema sare with the same opinion ................. but there are some other aqeedas of shias (which most of shias dont agree but is written in their books)..like tahreef ul quran etc........still it is not allowed to kill shiaz...but any one who believe in the above is definatelya kaffir and nowadays most of shias dont believe this.........
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Don't believe what man.... so lost dude.....I don't even know what is shia stand on the issue but all I asked was based on my personal opinion why didnt Propeht Mohamamd P.B.U.H. ordered to kill the lady who threw stones at him? I am not trying to nauzubillah promote abuse of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and respect him... but according to his teachings the thing that drew people towards islam was his Akhlaq... Where did Propeht Mohamamd P.B.U.H ordered to kill someone who abused him... this lady threw stones at him and he never ordered to kill h er ....infact when she was sick over looking the fact she abused him and was a kafira Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. went to her house for the ayadat... thats the character of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and his teachings.....

Where does this notion come from....rather then giving fatwah of a person not agreeing is nauzubillah a kafir...why don't you rather justify this notin based on the deeds, hadiths or sunnah of Prophet before just giving a dumb fatwah of kafir Mr.... I am no scholar nor do I know whats shias stand is on this issue but personally from what i know about character of Prophet MOhamamd P.B.U.H and his teachings i am just not conivinced if its true Islam... infact to me its these kinda teachings that label us mulims terrorist.. If i am wrong please try to convince me where does the teaching come from in the light of quran, hadith's or sunanh of Prophet Mohamamd P.B.U.H. rather then labeling someone kaffir...

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yes all of ulema sare with the same opinion ................. but there are some other aqeedas of shias (which most of shias dont agree but is written in their books)..like tahreef ul quran etc........still it is not allowed to kill shiaz...but any one who believe in the above is definatelya kaffir and nowadays most of shias dont believe this.........
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are you suggesting that Shias changed their faith during the course of 1400 years?

^^ Tehreef ul Quran... Its been posted and discussed serveral times with Bao Bihari that shias believe quran is complete... and i have quoted the ayat several times.... and i have quoted the ayat of Quran

"Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion." (Qur'an 5:3)

when quran witness Islam is perfect and we believe in quran based on the justification all shias believe quran is complete...but nothing seems to get in this empty of heead of theirs...but i am still waiting on his justification of the fatwah of kafirs he gave in the light of Quran and sunanh and hadiths.....

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are you suggesting that Shias changed their faith during the course of 1400 years?
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Escuse me ! ! ! where are you gettin this idea from.... don't shias pray, dont shias fast. dont they perform hajj and other wajibat of Islam......

Bao Bihari just giving fatwah without any justification doesnt mean anything ... tell me when Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. didnt order to kill the people who abused him who are us... its his akhlaq that draws people to Islam but the way you are presenting islam personally i think it sounds like terrorism.

Insaniate bhai........what i am trying to say is that u r not kaffir as u dont believe in TAHREF UL QURAN.......and if any one be it shia or sunni believe in this he is kaffirs.............
i raised the point to justify those ppl who give fatwa against shias as kaffirs.......the base thier fatwa on predomenently the above concept.
yes changhez like the shia religion apparently has undergone many changes...............
see what shiaz believed in the past....
ASSOOL E KAFI(pg444 vol.4
"jub qaim zahir hoon gay to wo quran ko asli aur sahi taur par parhain gay aur quran ka wo nuskha nikalain gay jis ko ali alihassalam nay likha tha aur imam jaffer nay ye bhe farmaya kay jub ali alihassalm nay us ko likh liya to logon say (yaane umer abubakar )kaha kay ye ALLAH ki kitab hay theek is tarha jaisay nazil hoi thee to un logon nay kaha kay hamaray pass yai mashaf mojjod hay humain tumharay quran ki zaroorat nahin hay tu ali laihassalam nay farmaya kay aaj kay baad tum is ko nahin daikh sakoo gay"
ASOOL E KAFI PG446 VOL 4
"wo quran jo hadrat ali lay kar aae thay us main 17000 ayat thee"
i have given several time refrence about a book printed in iran "FASSLUL KHITAB FI TAHREEF KITAB RABULARBAB"WRITTEN BY ALLMA NOORI TABRISEE............all shias know him well

may be this will prove my point ...................as the topic is about abusing sahabahs.........if required will give further refrences in a new thread....

Bottomline; shias criticizing actions of certain sahabahs or even cursing those that committed treachery against the holy ahl-bait (as) is not considered kufar by any ahl-sunnah scholar.

This is because believing in any one sahabah is not an article of Islam. Following them blindly without differentiating who was good and who deviated is like following a man blindly.

For those zealous ahl-sunnah and wahabis on this board, please refrain from your "shia kuffar" shoutings and follow your own scholars' verdicts.

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Bottomline; shias criticizing actions of certain sahabahs or even cursing those that committed treachery against the holy ahl-bait (as) is not considered kufar by any ahl-sunnah scholar.

This is because believing in any one sahabah is not an article of Islam. Following them blindly without differentiating who was good and who deviated is like following a man blindly.

For those zealous ahl-sunnah and wahabis on this board, please refrain from your "shia kuffar" shoutings and follow your own scholars' verdicts.
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So what u say about shias who disrespect Sahabas.. I know thwy are not doing any kufr but not a noble deed too.. so how to teach them respect and impart that it hurts other muslims when they do that act.. those sahabas were so close to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) even though they dont believe it..

We only consider sahabahs who followed and obeyed the holy prophet (pbuh) in everything he said and ordered to be true sahabahs. The rest are only ordinary people who we take the right to pin point their wrong doings so that people follow on the true path of Allah (swt) and his prophet (pbuh).

The first 3 caliphs, Muwayah, Aisha, Hafsa, talha, Zubair, and a host of other characters do not fall in the shia definition of righteous sahabahs or righteous umm momineen.

Merely being in the prophet's (pbuh) companionship means nothing. Obeying the prophet (pbuh) in EVERYTHING he ordered, never being rude to and infront of the prophet (pbuh), never raising their voice in front of him (pbuh)and loving the prophet (pbuh) more than their ownselves are some of the many requirements of being a righteous sahabah.

I suggest, as an example, you study the life of the great sahabah, Abuzar Ghafari, and the circumstances of his death.

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We only consider sahabahs who followed and obeyed the holy prophet (pbuh) in everything he said and ordered to be true sahabahs. The rest are only ordinary people who we take the right to pin point their wrong doings so that people follow on the true path of Allah (swt) and his prophet (pbuh).

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Who cares whats u consider? We only consider Muhammad (PBUH) and his love for Sahabas Like Abu Bakr (RA), Umar (RA) and Usman (RA).. and great rule by these pious Sahabas during which Islam spread to all corners of the world.. their rule is by spirit of Islam.. and we also consider Hazrat Ali (RA) who did bayt at hands of these great Sahabas.. and even named his sons after those Sahabas.. dont follow some yahudis who spread stories about these sahabas to create mischief.. if u dont want to follow Muhammad (PBUH) at least follow Hazrat Ali (RA)..

Hazrat Ali(R.A) had 4 wives and 27 children. **Fifth child was named Muhammad. 6th child name was Umar and tenth Uthman! Now why did Ali (RA) named his kids like that.. since he didnt felt so hatred as most shias do thes edays.. surely Omayyid and Fatimid struggle for power was a big factor for that.. Hazar Abu bakr (RA), Omar (RA), Usman (RA) and Ali (RA) gave strength and power to Islam..

What a buch of crook? Do you realize the contradictions in your won posts? Have your read the history carefully? Who fought side by side with Prophet Muhammad:saw: in all the Ghazwas? Who brought all of their house belongings before the war? Do you know the answers? I bet you do but you will spew some othe lame excuse that you guys always give. So never mind. Anyway who are you to decide who is righteous and who is not? DO you know that Prophet:saw: told us to leave the judgement to Allah. If you love and respect the Prophet:saw: so much have the decency and courage to follow in his footstpes or atleast try to adopt his teachings as he himself practised them.

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Insaniate bhai........what i am trying to say is that u r not kaffir as u dont believe in TAHREF UL QURAN.......and if any one be it shia or sunni believe in this he is kaffirs.............
i raised the point to justify those ppl who give fatwa against shias as kaffirs.......the base thier fatwa on predomenently the above concept.
yes changhez like the shia religion apparently has undergone many changes...............
see what shiaz believed in the past....
ASSOOL E KAFI(pg444 vol.4
"jub qaim zahir hoon gay to wo quran ko asli aur sahi taur par parhain gay aur quran ka wo nuskha nikalain gay jis ko ali alihassalam nay likha tha aur imam jaffer nay ye bhe farmaya kay jub ali alihassalm nay us ko likh liya to logon say (yaane umer abubakar )kaha kay ye ALLAH ki kitab hay theek is tarha jaisay nazil hoi thee to un logon nay kaha kay hamaray pass yai mashaf mojjod hay humain tumharay quran ki zaroorat nahin hay tu ali laihassalam nay farmaya kay aaj kay baad tum is ko nahin daikh sakoo gay"

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Bao Bihari.. I am not a scholar to argue but from what i read it says Hazrat Ali compiled the quran in the order the ayats was revealed....

Would you say the Quran we have is compiled in the order the ayats are revealed

For example look at this ayat of Quran

"Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion." (Qur'an 5:3)

If quran was compiled in the order the ayat was revealed would you say the ayat that witness that Islam is perfect would be in Quran 5:3, when there are alot more teachings and ayat to comes...? Just an example

Thats all... It doesnt doubt the authenticity of Quran......
And if some hadeeth doubts the authenticity of quran or say its in complete based on the light of the above ayat that says Islam is perfect ... that hadith would be dheaef.... So simple... I am sure sunnis have hadiths that they declare as Dhaef... does it mean their believes change over the period of time... why to cook lame excuses to spread some anti shia propoganda... Doubting on the fact that quran is incomplete isnt any of the teachings of Holy Propeht MOhammad P.B.U.H. nor the Imams.... I don't have Usool -e- Kaafi to verify who does that hadith come from... but based on the light of Quran its dhaef... go find some other lame excuse to spread anti shia propoganda

And you didnt even answer my question that any one who abuses Prophet should be killed... and to which you issued a fatwah who doesnt believe in it is kaffir???? Like i said I am not a scholar thats why I want to learn which teachings of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. does it imply... Like i quoted you the incident where this lady used to throw stones at Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. he never ordered to kill her infact he went to her house for her ayadat when she was sick.. and she liked his act so much that she embraced Islam ... if someone does those kind of deeds why not talk to him and tell him about the akhlaq of Prophet Mohamamd P.B.U.H. ... where does these terrorist teaching comes from... and on what bases are you issuing the fatwah that if one doesnt believe in it ... he is kaffir.. may be you you answer the questions that have been raised in the forum rather than spreading some off topic anti propoganda.... without justifying some previous on topic propoganda of yours...

So um what's the point of this thread? That these individuals shouldn't be abused? If they are the companions of Prophet Muhammad (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him), then why would anyone want to abuse them? And why debate about why they are being abused? i mean who cares? Every scholar utters something or the other, sometimes it is in accordance with Islam. Sometimes it is not. Move on and stop creating differences between yourselves.

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Bao Bihari.. I am not a scholar to argue but from what i read it says Hazrat Ali compiled the quran in the order the ayats was revealed....

Would you say the Quran we have is compiled in the order the ayats are revealed

For example look at this ayat of Quran

"Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion." (Qur'an 5:3)

If quran was compiled in the order the ayat was revealed would you say the ayat that witness that Islam is perfect would be in Quran 5:3, when there are alot more teachings and ayat to comes...? Just an example

Thats all... It doesnt doubt the authenticity of Quran......
And if some hadeeth doubts the authenticity of quran or say its in complete based on the light of the above ayat that says Islam is perfect ... that hadith would be dheaef.... So simple... I am sure sunnis have hadiths that they declare as Dhaef... does it mean their believes change over the period of time... why to cook lame excuses to spread some anti shia propoganda... Doubting on the fact that quran is incomplete isnt any of the teachings of Holy Propeht MOhammad P.B.U.H. nor the Imams.... I don't have Usool -e- Kaafi to verify who does that hadith come from... but based on the light of Quran its dhaef... go find some other lame excuse to spread anti shia propoganda

And you didnt even answer my question that any one who abuses Prophet should be killed... and to which you issued a fatwah who doesnt believe in it is kaffir???? Like i said I am not a scholar thats why I want to learn which teachings of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. does it imply... Like i quoted you the incident where this lady used to throw stones at Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. he never ordered to kill her infact he went to her house for her ayadat when she was sick.. and she liked his act so much that she embraced Islam ... if someone does those kind of deeds why not talk to him and tell him about the akhlaq of Prophet Mohamamd P.B.U.H. ... where does these terrorist teaching comes from... and on what bases are you issuing the fatwah that if one doesnt believe in it ... he is kaffir.. may be you you answer the questions that have been raised in the forum rather than spreading some off topic anti propoganda.... without justifying some previous on topic propoganda of yours...
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let me open a new thread for the discussion

Bihari Babu how about justifying your fatwah ... which is based on this topic...before starting some other anti shia Propoganda... Incase your eyes over looked what i asked based on your fatwah... Let me quote if for you again... infact let me make it bold.. so you don't miss it this time....
*And you didnt even answer my question that any one who abuses Prophet should be killed... Where does this notion of terrorism comes from.....Like i said I am not a scholar thats why I want to learn which teachings of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. does it imply... Like i quoted you the incident where this lady used to throw stones at Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. he never ordered to kill her infact he went to her house for her ayadat when she was sick.. and she liked his act so much that she embraced Islam ... if someone does those kind of deeds why not talk to him and tell him about the akhlaq of Prophet Mohamamd P.B.U.H. ... where does these terrorist teaching comes from... and on what bases are you issuing the fatwah that if one doesnt believe in it ... he is kaffir.. may be you you answer the questions that have been raised in the forum rather than spreading some off topic anti propoganda.... without justifying some previous on topic propoganda of yours... *

Go justify your believes before coming up with some other anti shia propoganda which you probably won't have anything to defend for....

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