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*Originally posted by Degas: *
Hazrat Ali(R.A) had 4 wives and 27 children. **Fifth child was named Muhammad. 6th child name was Umar and tenth Uthman! Now why did Ali (RA) named his kids like that.. since he didnt felt so hatred as most shias do thes edays.. surely Omayyid and Fatimid struggle for power was a big factor for that.. Hazar Abu bakr (RA), Omar (RA), Usman (RA) and Ali (RA) gave strength and power to Islam..
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Degas;
This is a common point the ahl-sunnat bring up as part of their theory that Imam Ali (as) was ok with the first 3 sahabahs.
First of all, do you have any proof that the reason Ali (as) chose the names Umar, Usman, and Abu baker, were because of his LOVE for the first 3 calpihs?
Umar, Usman, and Abu Baker were common names in Arabia. To name his sons with these names does not mean nor support anything you say.
One of Imam Ali's trusted companions was called Umar. Usman was one of Imam Ali's uncles. His adopted son was Mohammed bin Abu Baker.
Please bring forth proofs that the reason he named his sons were BECAUSE of the first 3 caliphs.
One of the delegators during the shorten ghaibat of the 12th imam was called Usman. Does this mean he was named due to Usman bin Affan or because Usman was a common name?
If you want to expand on this topic, please open a new thread and I will provide you with all relevant info on this.
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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
So um what's the point of this thread? That these individuals shouldn't be abused? If they are the companions of Prophet Muhammad (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him), then why would anyone want to abuse them? And why debate about why they are being abused? i mean who cares? Every scholar utters something or the other, sometimes it is in accordance with Islam. Sometimes it is not. Move on and stop creating differences between yourselves.
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The point is that criticizing and scrutinizing the actions of certain sahabahs becuase of what we know from history the things they did is not a sin, is not a basis for calling anyone an unbeliever or a kafir, and is not a reason enough to cause fights and divisions.
This is oppositive to what you are taught in ahl-sunnah madarassahs and mosques where you are strictly taught to follow the sunnahs related by every sahabah without knowing the character of that individual.
If sahabahs are criticized, they are done so on historical facts, not out of personal whim.
Please enlighten me on this. I would love to hear of sahabahs accomplishments in Khaibar, Khundaq, and Hunain. Without Imam Ali (as) in these wars, they would have been lost as certain sahabahs were the first to run from the battle field.
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*Originally posted by Gandalf: *
Please enlighten me on this. I would love to hear of sahabahs accomplishments in Khaibar, Khundaq, and Hunain. Without Imam Ali (as) in these wars, they would have been lost as certain sahabahs were the first to run from the battle field.
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Do you have authentic source of telling which sahabas ran from field, avoided war, ran for "maal-e-ghaneemat" etc.?
Please enlighten me on this. I would love to hear of sahabahs accomplishments in Khaibar, Khundaq, and Hunain. Without Imam Ali (as) in these wars, they would have been lost as certain sahabahs were the first to run from the battle field.
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so was it just hazrat ali fighting? and no other sahaba fought?
Originally posted by Degas:
Hazrat Ali(R.A) had 4 wives and 27 children. **Fifth child was named Muhammad. 6th child name was Umar and tenth Uthman! Now why did Ali (RA) named his kids like that.. since he didnt felt so hatred as most shias do thes edays.. surely Omayyid and Fatimid struggle for power was a big factor for that.. Hazar Abu bakr (RA), Omar (RA), Usman (RA) and Ali (RA) gave strength and power to Islam..
Ok so he names his kids with the name of the 1st 3 khulafa. But did any of them call their own sons Ali???
It was not Ali who was against them... it was the other way. Imam ali always wanted to help guide them.
This is a common point the ahl-sunnat bring up as part of their theory that Imam Ali (as) was ok with the first 3 sahabahs.
First of all, do you have any proof that the reason Ali (as) chose the names Umar, Usman, and Abu baker, were because of his LOVE for the first 3 calpihs?
Umar, Usman, and Abu Baker were common names in Arabia. To name his sons with these names does not mean nor support anything you say.
One of Imam Ali's trusted companions was called Umar. Usman was one of Imam Ali's uncles. His adopted son was Mohammed bin Abu Baker.
Please bring forth proofs that the reason he named his sons were BECAUSE of the first 3 caliphs.
One of the delegators during the shorten ghaibat of the 12th imam was called Usman. Does this mean he was named due to Usman bin Affan or because Usman was a common name?
If you want to expand on this topic, please open a new thread and I will provide you with all relevant info on this.
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If Hazrat Ali (RA) could do that why cant u do that? Do u know something that Hazrat Ali (RA) didnt knew?
Shame on you for slinging mud on the people who fought alonside Prophet Muhammad:saw:. Also, you just plucked one line out of my reply, I assume you do not have answer for the others. I remind you again, if you profess the love for Prophet:saw: try to follow his example. He told us that Allah is the judge, knows best and only HE knows what is the hearts of people. No one else has that knowledge.
Also, try to take the shia glassess off and read your histiry again, while it is true that some sahabs left and turned back during the ghazwas, Hazrat Abu Bakar, Hazrat omar was not one of them. unfortunately, those are the usual targets of your mud slinging.