Re: Fatwa Banning Out of faith Marriage
Fatwas are stupid issued by stupid people, so no.
Re: Fatwa Banning Out of faith Marriage
a) It's highly makruh for a Muslim man to marry a Christian or Jewish girl. Read any fiqh book. They explicitly discourage it. Umar (ra) ordered many men in his era to divorce their Christian wives.
b) The condition of marrying a Jew or Christian is that she be chaste. If she is not chaste. The marriage will not be valid.
How many Christian or Jewish girls these days are chaste?
c) Many Christians today are Christians only in name. The majority are agnostic.
There are still plenty of Christian women who'd be considered ok.. Many Catholics, Eastern Orthodox etc
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A fatwa allowing muslim women to marry ahl-e-kitaab would make more sense. Why should muslim women be restricted to a smaller pool of men (which inevitably means there will be an excess of young female muslim professional - they're always the professional ones that kicked out first - aging without a spouse and family)?
Honestly, a bigger problem than men marrying goris is that Pakistani muslim men in America (I can't speak for other countries) are either not marriage eligible to begin with in the eyes of women in our community, or they're going back to Pakistan to find brides.
Solution? Encourage families to not disregard women in the US when looking for rishtas, facilitate venues where families can meet without abuse towards women like what happens on these online dating sites, and encourage men in our community to be more professional and achieve more in education.
Vast majority of guys where I grew up ended up in community college, and then working at a gas station or something. That's not the kind of guy a female educated muslim girl in our community will want to marry.
three out of four madhabs forbid muslims from marrying non-muslims in dar ul harb...i also don't see how intermarriage whether its men or owmen addresses issues WITHIN the community. that's not a solution, that;s conveniently avoiding the problem. look at jews in the west...intermarriage has destroyed their communities and identity. most kids of interfaith jewish marriages (54%) do NOT identify with their jewish heritage (not even speaking about religiosity, but identity) here.
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Fatwas are stupid issued by stupid people, so no.
Exacly! It is not like they get a seal of approval by Allah when they issue fatwas. It's by their own interpretation that they come to realize that something doesn't fit their agenda so it must be declared haram for the rest of us.
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This is a hypothetical question.
Muslim men are allowed to marry Ahle Kitab, while not muslim women. This leaves muslim women in west with too fewer options compared to men. Such a situation hampers the Islamic duty of Nikah for women and to lead life in line with Islamic principles.
Islamic rules take into account, the circumstances. Do you think there should be a fatwa to ban or discourage out of faith marriages for Muslim men ?
Will such fatwa have any impact?
I dont think there should be a fatwa to ban out of faith marriage for men, but women should be allowed to marry non muslims as well. thats only fair. and who ever says marriage between muslim woman and nonmuslim cannot work out is simply lying . I am happily married to a catholic and we have not had any issues so far (only been 6 months though). he has no problems with even having our future children being muslim. and whoever says that it's ok for men to marry nonmuslim because the kids will follow their fathers religion is totall BS. my own uncle married a puerto rican christian woman and their kids have no islamic ubringing at all.
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They will never ban interfaith marriage, because the people making the fatwas in the first place want to make sure they leave their chances open.
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Bella, were your mum and dad ok with it?
I know a Muslim girl with a Sikh guy and they're happily married as well.
My other half was Christian (non-practising) but he converted.. I did wonder how things might have turned out if he hadn't..
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Bella, were your mum and dad ok with it?
I know a Muslim girl with a Sikh guy and they're happily married as well..
Initially my parents were not okay with it but when they met him, they really liked him. I told my parents he had converted (yes I lied so that my parents will not feel like im going to hell forever, i have never lied to my parents before this but i had no choice here). I did not pressure him into actually converting.
my parents are actually quite happy now because before him, i was engaged to a guy for a long time and things ended quite badly with us. so they are happy that i am finally with someone who respects me and treats me well. my husband has alot of respect for my parents and always says salam to them, he has stopped eating pork because he knows i hate that smell in the house. and i respect his religion too and we celebrate christmas, easter, and he will celebrate Eid. i cannot imagine a more perfect partner.
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^I never asked my husband to convert, I don't think that would have been fair*.. *
When I first started seeing him he was non-Muslim and my mum really freaked out.. Weirdly my dad was alright about it tho.. Maybe he was just thinking it would fizzle out or something I don't know..
Does your guy drink or eat pork and if so what happens when your parents come over? (I'm not judging btw.. I know plenty of young Muslims who drink)
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^I never asked my husband to convert, I don't think that would have been fair*.. *
When I first started seeing him he was non-Muslim and my mum really freaked out.. Weirdly my dad was alright about it tho.. Maybe he was just thinking it would fizzle out or something I don't know..
Does your guy drink or eat pork and if so what happens when your parents come over? (I'm not judging btw.. I know plenty of young Muslims who drink)
he never really ate much pork anyway so he doesnt care. i never stopped him from that either, just told him i hate the smell of bacon in the morning. he will never drink in front of my parents. and yes alot of my muslim friends drink and even eat pepperoni pizza whenever they feel like it.
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Kumbh k melay main bichhri hui behnay mil gain ..
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I dont think there should be a fatwa to ban out of faith marriage for men, but women should be allowed to marry non muslims as well. thats only fair. and who ever says marriage between muslim woman and nonmuslim cannot work out is simply lying . I am happily married to a catholic and we have not had any issues so far (only been 6 months though). he has no problems with even having our future children being muslim. and whoever says that it's ok for men to marry nonmuslim because the kids will follow their fathers religion is totall BS. my own uncle married a puerto rican christian woman and their kids have no islamic ubringing at all.
I have heard people tend to take religion more seriously as they age.Life is unpredictable!
The men get to marry 4 women at the same time, they get to marry ahle kitaabs, and the women folks, :(
Terrible atrocities I say. Zaalim samaaj.
Well the women can then marry a kitab. The marriage to Quean is an idiotic thing practiced among some
Fatwas are stupid issued by stupid people, so no.
Let's just pass a fatwa banning future fatwas, or at minimum by anyone without some decent real education.
three out of four madhabs forbid muslims from marrying non-muslims in dar ul harb....
So either 3 madhabs are wrong or one is... Right?
Which one of the 4 was revealed to the prophet?
Dar ul harb? So that is someone a Muslim caliphate is in a state of war with. Unsure who the khilafa is fighting these days.
But to be safe, One should not marry non Muslims but instead use the Mutah clause liberally.
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So either 3 madhabs are wrong or one is... Right? Which one of the 4 was revealed to the prophet?
Dar ul harb? So that is someone a Muslim caliphate is in a state of war with. Unsure who the khilafa is fighting these days.
But to be safe, One should not marry non Muslims but instead use the Mutah clause liberally.
You show a poor undersatnding of Islam. The Quran is not a rule book, it is a revelation at a certain time and place, there are modern problems and contexts that must be intepreted through the book. One of these contexts was spreading Islam outside the Arabian peninsula what should be done when Muslims are a minority and marrying outside their faith, who will their daughters marry, except for Malikis, many saw it as a problem when their own daughters (ie Umar bin al Khattab in his conquest of Syria) weren't getting married. The four founders of the Madhabs came three generations after the prophet, because that's how QUICKLY society changes.
Mr know it all Pakistani...so cocky. Agr kisi cheez ka nahin patha ho...don't be an expert. Show some humility and keep your mouth shut my friend. Be humble enough to LEARN
Oh chill out, you will pop a vein or something like that. Getting all preachy, personal and emotional is so 2003. Really darling, we need to get you a makeover in internet interaction.
I am not a know it all, but I know that you are wrong. :-) and atleast in this thread that kinda does the job. Game, set, match... Tip the ball boy on the way out you old fruity.
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Oh chill out, you will pop a vein or something like that. Getting all preachy, personal and emotional is so 2003. Really darling, we need to get you a makeover in internet interaction.
I am not a know it all, but I know that you are wrong. :-) and atleast in this thread that kinda does the job. Game, set, match... Tip the ball boy on the way out you old fruity.
Can you just shutup and show some humility? I give you an explanation, historical context, and all you do is pop a smart ass one liner. Just keep out. Your input isn't needed here. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing
Re: Fatwa Banning Out of faith Marriage
Can you just shutup and show some humility? I give you an explanation, historical context, and all you do is pop a smart ass one liner. Just keep out. Your input isn't needed here. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing
The irony of someone --> who generalizes, calls out others using ethnic rubbish and tells people to constantly shut up, is telling others to show humility.