Fatimah (r.a) is the Chief of Women in Paradise?

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The Status of Fatimah bint Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam

Let’s see how Saba’ites infect Islam:

Hadith of Sahih Bukhari / Muslim, Version 1

Ummul Momineen Saiyidah ‘Aishah Siddeeqa radhiyAllahu 'anha says:

When the illness of Nabi Kareem sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam started, his purified wives all the time stayed with him and they didn’t part even for a moment.
Once Hadhrat Fatimah radhiyAllahu 'anha came to see him (sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam).

The style of Fatimah radhiyAllahu 'anha was exactly similar to that of Nabi Kareem sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam. When looking at her, he sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam welcomed her saying ‘Marhaba’ and made her sit on the right or left of himself then kept whispering with her on which Hadhrat Fatimah radhiyAllahu 'anha started weeping, he once again whispered and Fatimah radhiyAllahu 'anha started laughing. I thought in my heart what was so special which he (sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam) has spoken to his daughter leaving his wives. When the Prophet (sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam) stood up, I asked Fatimah, ‘What was the secret talk you had with Huzoor?’, she said, ‘I can’t disclose the secret of Huzoor.’

When the Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam passed away, I asked Fatimah, ‘I have the right on you (of being your mother), so describe the talk you had with Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam. She said, ‘Now there is no problem, Huzoor told me the first time that “Jibraeel made me recite Quran once a year but this year he has made me recite the Quran twice so I think my death has come closer, so now you fear Allah and be patient”, I started weeping on that, when he saw this condition of mine, he whispered with me again saying,
“Are you not pleased/satisfied with that you are the chief (saiyidah) of women of momineen OR chief of women of this ummah.”
I began laughing on that.’

(Muslim, volume 2, page 290)

Sanad: Ummul Momineen, Masrooq, Sha’bi, Faraas bin Yahya, Abu ‘Awanah (‘Abdullah Al-Waasti), Abu Kamil Al-Jahdari (Fadheel bin Husain)

In Bukhari, the last words are:

“Are you not pleased with that you are the chief of women in Jannah OR chief of women of momineen.”

(Bukhari, volume 1, page 512)

Sanad: Ummul Momineen, Masrooq, Sha’bi, Faraas bin Yahya, Zakariya bin Abi Zayedah, Fadhl bin Wakeen (Abu Na’eem)
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Hadith of Sahihain, Version 2

Ummul Momineen ‘Aishah Siddeeqah radhiyAllahu 'anha says:

Nabi Kareem sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam called Fatimah radhiyAllahu 'anha and had a talk with her in secrecy on which Hadhrat Fatimah began weeping then he (sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam) had more talk and Fatimah radhiyAllahu 'anha started laughing.

Ummul Momineen says:

I asked Fatimah, ‘What was so special and secret that first you wept and then laughed?’, she replied, ‘Huzoor when whispered first, he informed me of his demise on which I began weeping. He whispered again and said, “You will be the first of my Family to meet me” on which I started laughing.”

(Bukhari, volume 1, page 532, volume 2, page 638)

(Muslim, volume 2, page 290)

Sanad: Ummul Momineen, 'Arwah bin Zubayr…

This narration is supported by another one:

Ummul Momineen says:

When Nabi Kareem sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam fell into illness, Fatimah radhiyAllahu 'anha came and embraced with Nabi Kareem sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam, received the love from Huzoor and when raised her head, she was weeping, then again she embraced with Huzoor and when this time raised the head, she was laughing. When Huzoor had died, I asked the reason for that from Fatimah radhiyAllahu 'anha, she said:

He informed me that he would die due to that illness, so I began weeping. Then he informed me that I would meet him before everyone out of his family (Ahlahu), I became happy on that.

(Tirmidhi, volume 2, page 250)

Sanad: Ummul Momineen, 'Aishah bint Talhah bin 'Obedullah…

The same event is recorded by the historian, Balazari in ‘Ashraaf-al-Ansaab’ through Ibn Abbas radhiyAllahu 'anhu in the same form.
So version 2 is verified by two witnesses, on the other hand, there exists no reliable witness on version 1.

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Criticism of the Hadith

The Narration of Bukhari

As far as the narrators are concerned, this event is being transmitted from Ummul Momineen to Masrooq and from Masrooq to Sha’bi. Both of them are taba’een. No one has objected them. And that is the fact that their personalities are beyond any suspicion. BUT
From Sha’bi, this event is transmitted by Faraas bin Yahya.

Faraas bin Yahya

He is the inhabitant of Hamdaan, moved to Kufah.
Dhahabi says, ‘Many imams of hadith have declared him as thiqah (reliable), but Imam Yahya bin Sa’id Alqataan declared one of his hadiths as Munkar.’

(Meezan, volume 3, page 343)

Hafiz Ibn Hajar says, ‘He is Sudooq (truthful) but suffers from misgiving/doubt/superstition.’

(Taqreeb, page 274)

In Usul-al-Hadith, there are grades of reliable narrators, for example Hafiz, Hujjah, Thabt, Thiqah, Thiqah twice, Thiqah once and Sudooq etc.
The lowest grade out of them is Sudooq.
Ibn Hajar has used the same term for Faraas.
This is used for a narrator, for whom there is no proof known for unreliability but there exists no confidence regarding him. The narration of such a person can be accepted as a witness but it can never be regarded as an Authority (hujjat).
This Faraas died in 129 hijri.

Till Faraas, every narrator of this narration has been only One Person in every period. That is to say that from Ummul Momineen none narrates it except Masrooq.
From Masrooq none narrates it except Sha’bi.
And from Sha’bi none narrates it except Faraas, and this Faraas is Irani-an-Nasl (Iranian by race).
So by the start of Second century no one was familiar with this narration except one person in his own period.
But yes from Faraas this narration is being transmitted through 2 persons, Zakariya bin Abi Zayeda and Abu ‘Awanah.

Zakariya bin Abi Zayeda

He is counted amongst ulamas (scholars) of Ahlus Sunnah.
Hafiz Ibn Hajar says, ‘He is thiqah, Hafiz-al-hadith but he is suffering from Tadlees.’

(Taqreeb, page 107)

Imam Dhahabi says, ‘He is Sudooq, famous and hafiz. Imam Sha’bah, Imam Yahya Al-Qataan and Abu Na’eem have narrated hadiths from him.’
Imam Ahmed says, ‘He is thiqah, his hadith is sheerin (sweet).’
Yahya bin Mu’in says, ‘He is Saleh (this is also equalent to sudooq).’
Abu Zar’ah says, ‘He is a bit good but makes use of Tadlees MOSTLY in the narration of Sha’bi.’
Abu Hatim says, ‘His hadiths contain weakness.’
Abu Daud says, ‘He is thiqah but makes use of Tadlees.’

(Meezan, volume 2, page 73)

He died in 149 hijri.

Abdur Rahman bin Abi Hatim writes, ‘Zakariya bin Abi Zayedah is an inhabitant of Hamdaan, was the slave of Abu Yahya A’ma. He narrates from Sha’bi and Abu Ishaq Al-Hamdaani.
Yahya bin Sa’id Al-Qataan says, ‘He has nothing wrong with him but he is not like Isma’il bin Khalid.’
Imam Ahmed says, ‘Narrations which he narrates from Abu Ishaq are weak.’
Imam Abu Hatim Razi said, ‘His hadith is weak, but he makes use of Tadless.’
Abu Zar’ah says, ‘He does a lot of Tadlees.’

(Al-Jarh-Wal-Ta’deel, volume 3, page 594)

Tadlees

Tadlees means hiding the fault. This is a terminology of muhaddithin and this means omitting (dropping) narrators from the middle and attributing the narration to the upper narrators and transmitting narration in such words that no one can feel that some narrators have been dropped from the middle.
This fault is to be found too much in Zakariya.

So two narrators of this narration can’t be trusted.
One is Faraas bin Yahya who is suffering from suspicion/misgiving. And the other is Zakariyah who does Tadlees.

From Zakariyah the narration reaches Fadhl bin Wakeen.

Fadhl bin Wakeen

His kunniyat is Abu Na’eem. And this very kunniyat is famous.
Hafiz Dhahabi says, ‘He is hafiz-al-hadith and hujjat. But he was a Shi’ah, though not the extremist (ghaali) shi’ah and didn’t abuse Sahabah.’
Imam Yahya bin Mu’in says, ‘When this Abu Na’eem praises someone and says, “He is this and that and is a very good person”, then understand that the person must be a Shi’ah. And when he condemns someone that that person is a Marjai, then the person must be an Ahlus Sunnah.’

(Meezan, volume 3, page 385)

He died in 219.

Marhabah Sect

In the period of Taba’in, there rose a sect which believed in that after accepting Islam, there is no need for any deeds/actions, as by the grace of Allah all will be forgiven. Preceding scholars declared this sect as deviant. Which resulted in that if a person was to be given a bad name, he would be called Marjai.

But Saba’ites call him marjai who regards all the Companions on truth and who doesn’t call the opponents of Hadhrat Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu rebellious and deviant. In this way, Imam Abu Hanifah and other great scholars were accused of being marjai. Following scholars couldn’t understand this deceit of Saba’ites and they thought that marjai was one who denied the deeds/actions.

In short, in Bukhari this narration has been described by these very narrators. The title of ‘Saiyidah Nisa-ahl-aljannah’ is to be found in the same narration, and this title doesn’t exist in the narration of Muslim since there is no Shia narrator in it. In the narration of Bukhari is the ustaad (teacher) of Bukhari himself, i.e. Fadhl bin Wakeen who is a Shiah. And the whole game has been played by this Abu Na’eem.

The Narration of Muslim

Now coming to the narrators of Muslim.
In Muslim this narration comes from Faraas to Abu ‘Awanah.

Abu ‘Awanah

His name is Wadhaah bin ‘Abdullah Al-Waasti. He is famous by his kunniyat.
Hafiz Ibn Hajar says, ‘He is thiqah, thabt.’

(Taqreeb, page 369)

Dhahabi says, ‘All agree on his being thiqah that his narrations are very good, but Abu Hatim Razi says that when he narrates from his memory, he makes mistakes.’

(Meezan, volume 4, page 334)

So Abu ‘Awanah is far more better than Zakariya bin Abi Zayedah, who is the narrator of Bukhari.

Now is left Abu Kamil.

Abu Kamil Al-Jahdari

His name is Fadheel bin Husain.
Ibn Hajar says, ‘He is hafiz-al-hadith, thiqah. He died in 237.’

(Taqreeb, page 276)

‘Abdur Rahman bin Abi Hatim Razi says, ‘Imam Ahmed says that Abu Kamil has a deep vision over hadith and is very trustworthy, is very genius, doesn’t talk unless one asks a question from him.’
‘Ali bin Al-Madeeni says, ‘Abu Kamil is thiqah.’

(Al-Jarh-Wal-Ta’deel, volume 7, page 71)

Commentary

The comments of Muhaddithin clarify that the narrators of Muslim’s narration are more reliable. And the the narration of Bukhari in any case can never be regarded as Sahih with respect to Muslim’s narration and there is no title of ‘Saiyidah nisa-ahl-aljannah’. These words are fabricated by Abu Na’eem Fadhl bin Wakeen who is a Shiah, in Punj-Tun Hadith Factory, so he has promoted his sect by his exagerration.

BUT the fact is that Faraas bin Yahya Al-Hamdaani has tampered the actual narration and changed the nature of if in the end of narration. And Faraas is the narrator who is found in both narrations.
In fact due to the ‘Famous Excuse’ of being suffering from misgiving/suspicion, muhadditheen haven’t criticised him much. He wouldn’t be having any supersticions but he tampered hadiths deliberately behind the mask of Wahm (misgiving). And since he was Iranian by race, it was not possible that he was not suffering from the disease of Religious-Sabotage.
And the proof of this is the other version (version 2) of the same hadith, in Bukhari and Muslim both which has no Shia or Mudallis narrator, as well as most of them are from Madinah.

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^^ :biggthumb

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we knew bibi fatima was janaat ki malika..
dont need to read that babble!!

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I don't see how or why she is the queen of heaven. I didn't realize that there was any rank or hierarchy in heaven...I thought that was the point of heaven.

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According to shias there are four heavenly women: Bibi Asiya, the wife of Pharoah, Bibi Maryam, Bibi Khadija and Bibi Fatima. These women have been granted the highest status in Islam.

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Heavenly women is one thing. Queen of Heaven is a different thing altogether. Perhaps the hadith means queen in a figurative rather than literal sense.

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well, Queen maybe as in the leader of women in paradise, similiar to Imam Hasan and Imam Hussain being leader of youth of paradise?

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Okay I'm totally lost. So I work hard to get into heaven, in order to be obedient to a human woman, and all the kids work hard to get into heaven in order to be obedient to two human youths?

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hmm...your right. perhaps its not the right place for you.

do din
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:-|

I'm sorry, if Heaven was designed into a human hierarchy, with power trips, et al, (i.e. followers of Muhammed being ranked higher, etc than followers of other Prophets), then yeah, maybe your heaven is not the place for me.

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Its not my heaven. :-)

There are different level of heavens are they not? The hierarchy thing is already established. However, heaven is a different dimension altogether...its all about obedience to God, not people. But it will have Prophets and Imams and ashabs, dont you think?

do din
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Yes, I agree its obedience to God. But seriously, what is with this hype of Obedience in Islamic hadith literature. You have to be obedient to x, y, and z, and all their moms.

It makes it sound like you're a dog-like servant, and really beneath them. I thought Islam was way more individually spiritual than that. And from the Quranic descriptions of Heaven, there is no mention of any leadership hierarchy in Heaven. In fact, much of it sounds like each individual will have their own peaceful little niche in Heaven, a plot of their own type deal.

You guys make it sound like we'll be paying tithes and taxes in heaven too.

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In Islam your obedience should be to the Prophet and Allah.

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I dont know what literature you've been reading, but the average muslims are not at the same level as the few chosen people, in terms of faith and closeness to God. We can strive to do so, but rarely do ppl get there. We are always under some form of authority, the highest one being God himself. In Islam, it is not every man out for himself, we work as a community, else the Prophet (saw) wouldn't have been sent to teach us. we'd all have been recieving direct revelations from God instead.

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Authority from God is one type of Authority. Authority from a messenger is another type of authority. But these are on-earth systems. I'd like to really know where the Quran talks about political authority in Heaven?

Like I said, I think this is all in a figurative sense, not in a literal sense. Otherwise, we come to questions like "why is Fatima (R) the Queen of Heaven, and not Aisha (R) or Khadija (R)? etc"

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For the first time, I agree with Pyaricgudya, she is talking sense.

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Allah [swt] has bestowed his blessings on some people and has given them ranks. There is nothing like why He [swt] didnt give rank to her/him.
As for your question for the different levels in heaven, i think this might be helpful to you:

Sahih Muslim, The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman), Book 001, Number 0359

"Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "I know the last of the inhabitants of Fire to be taken out therefrom, and the last of the inhabitants of **Paradise**** to enter it. A man will come out of the Fire crawling. Then Allah, the Blessed and Exalted will say to him: Go and enter *Paradise. So he would come to it and it would appear to him as if it were full. He would go back and say: O my Lord! I found it full. Allah, the Blessed and Exalted, would say to him: Go and enter *Paradise.** He would come and perceive as if it were full. He would return and say: O my Lord! I found it full. Allah would say to him: Go and enter Paradise, for there is for you the like of the world and ten times like it, or for you is ten times the like of this world. He (the narrator) said. He (that man) would say: Art Thou making a fun of me? or Art Thou laughing at me. though Thou art the King? He (the narrator) said: I saw the Messenger of Allah laugh till his front teeth were visible. And it was said: That would be the lowest rank among the inhabitants of Paradise**

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i dont think any person in heaven wud have to obey any other person there....
people wud be in direct contact with Allah....

and besided being leaders does not mean that everyone shall be under their command, just points out that they shall have a high rank in jannat....

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If Allah [sw] has made someone 'Chief' over others then it wont be in name or a useless rank. Howoever obeying someone in heaven or not its just hypothetical thing, no one is sure about the ambiance or procedure of heaven.