Do you believe that everything is already pre-planned for you, for example your life partner has already been chosen for you.
Or do you believe we have some control over our destiny?
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There are different schools of thought. One idea that I read is that Allah presents you with options....and you have free will in making your choices...but He already knows the outcome of the decision. Kind of like ....being presented with several doors...and you have the free will to pick whichever one you want....but He already knows what's behind the door. I like this perspective better.
It's said that some thing like death, rizq, etc are predestined....but then there's also the hadith that either doing good deeds or maintaining ties with kin can increase life/sustenance. Can't remember the hadith.
If everything was controlled, then how would life be a test? There has to be free will in order for us to be tested. Sometimes I think that blaming everything on kismat is kind of like blaming every little thing that goes wrong on the evil eye or kaala jadoo.....such an outlook exempts one of individual responsibility and that's not healthy. It's said that dua is the only thing that can change destiny and it's also said that you should tie your camel first (take precautions, be responsible, investigate thorougly, etc) and then make dua. So many angles to look at this topic from. I think it would be tough to have a really simplified view.
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I control my decisions. Allah controls my life. I choose to do certain things and Allah knows what the outcomes are. I can choose to pray, which leads me closer to Allah and leads to other things. Think of it as branches on a tree or roots of a tree.
I can choose to do good or bad. The consequences are decided by Allah.
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Allah is all knowing, he knows what is going to happen in each one of our lives. However that doesn’t mean we don’t have control over our life, we do except on few things like whom we are born to and when we die.
It’s quite logical! If everything was predestined then what is the point of this life? How can we be judged and marked for things we did if they are not controlled by us.
As for our life partner, well i think we have a control over it. However what i have not yet been able to understand is what does Quran actually mean when it says everyone gets a life partner similiar to how they themself are 
. I have seen many mismatched pairs so i don’t quite understand this point.
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**our lives to Allah is like looking in flash back...Allah knows best what's good for us and what's bad which, with our limited intellect, can NOT fathom. we have this famous saying:
*"Man proposes, God disposes!"*
Shakespeare said in Hamlet: ***"There is a divinity that shapes our ends, rough-hew them how we will."*
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its for Him to know and you to find out
ever modern physics has an explanation for this
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If something is meant to go elsewhere, it will never come your way, but if it is yours by destiny, from you it cannot flee. To completely trust in God is to be like a child who knows deeply that even if he does not call for the mother, the mother is totally aware of his condition and is looking after him. - abu Hamid al-Ghazali
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Man plans, God laughs
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Just when i was getting impressed with you 
i saw the name -abu Hamid al-Ghazali and not Hareem :p.
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hahaha…forgot to edit out Imam Ghzali’s name from the quite. 
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If something is meant to go elsewhere, it will never come your way, but if it is yours by destiny, from you it cannot flee. To completely trust in God is to be like a child who knows deeply that even if he does not call for the mother, the mother is totally aware of his condition and is looking after him. - abu Hamid al-Ghazali
I do not agree with this view because say, if I were to commit murder, I could just say that "Allah willed it to be so" and therefore, I shouldn't be punished. And I'm sure Allah wouldn't punish me if it was in my "kismat" to murder someone.
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^Why would you want to murder someone if you completely trust in God? 
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So you say that your theory (of Al-Ghazli) applies only to people who have complete trust in God?
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So you say that your theory (of Al-Ghazli) applies only to people who have complete trust in God?
what theory?
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what theory?
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If something is meant to go elsewhere, it will never come your way, but if it is yours by destiny, from you it cannot flee. To completely trust in God is to be like a child who knows deeply that even if he does not call for the mother, the mother is totally aware of his condition and is looking after him. - abu Hamid al-Ghazali
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This theory. Looks like you are a little tired :D
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This theory. Looks like you are a little tired :D
I'm not tired, I just don't know what you're talking about.
You said 'it' applies to only those who have trust in God, I think by theory you meant this sentence about the nature of destiny, "If something is meant to go elsewhere, it will never come your way, but if it is yours by destiny, from you it cannot flee."?
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You said 'it' applies to only those who have trust in God, I think by theory you meant this sentence about the nature of destiny, "If something is meant to go elsewhere, it will never come your way, but if it is yours by destiny, from you it cannot flee."?
Yes, I did. Lets say for example that a death by mudrer is "coming my way". Now, since I cannot flee according to your/Al-Ghazli's POV, someone must murder me. Then, for all intents and purposes, that man has been "forced" to commit murder so how can he be punished?
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Yes, I did. Lets say for example that a death by mudrer is "coming my way". Now, since I cannot flee according to your/Al-Ghazli's POV, someone must murder me. Then, for all intents and purposes, that man has been "forced" to commit murder so how can he be punished?
hmmm....if you're going to die, you're going to die with or without that murderer being there, but since that murderer wants to kill you he's following his desire not his fate.
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hmmm....if you're going to die, you're going to die with or without that murderer being there, but since that murderer wants to kill you he's following his desire not his fate.
If that is your own POV, then you shouldn't have posted Al-Ghazli's which goes like this:
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but if it is yours by destiny, from you it cannot flee.
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Now, according to him, if I'm destined to be murdered, I'll be murdered. And of course, if I'm to be murdered, then there must be a murderer.
From the murderers POV, murdering me is his destiny and her can't escape it (according to Al-Ghazli) which means he has no free will in murdering me. And without free will, there cannot be Gunnah :)
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If that is your own POV, then you shouldn't have posted Al-Ghazli's which goes like this:
Now, according to him, if I'm destined to be murdered, I'll be murdered. And of course, if I'm to be murdered, then there must be a murderer.
From the murderers POV, murdering me is his destiny and her can't escape it (according to Al-Ghazli) which means he has no free will in murdering me. And without free will, there cannot be Gunnah :)
You are talking about moral choices here, a different topic altogether.
Imam Ghazali said, if you trust in God and want something then you'll get it if it's in your destiny, he didn't say if you start killing people you'll be forgiven coz it was written in your fate.