FATA delegation in USA

It is obvious that you and your kind have no self respect like those tribal have. Instead of being proud of them you started calling them backward. You know it, I know it and the whole world know it, that your inferior lot can never come close to those superior tribals in a million years. You and your inferior creatures will always be inferior till the end of the world.

So if dignity mean anything to you which I doubt it, here is a link about body scanner :
Body scanners strip ‘dignity,’ Pope says

I think unless America is not kicked out of Pakistan , we should be diplomatic . Btw here by diplomatic I don't mean boot polish diplomatic . This delegation could have over looked this small thing and actually conveyed their point to authorities here in America .

I had a chance to meet a congressman and they do listen to you . Here I won't debate either they act or not , but at least you can tell them what you think and how important it is that America should be out of Pakistan .

OK they are not backwards. Tribals are just incompatible with current times.

Happy now?

you are ready to jump on Pope-mobile. Shabash.

Do you know what the alternative to body scanners is?

Do you even think for a moment?

Bhai, they will get all the Muslims in separate lines and do the prostate exam.

And yes tribals will go back to their caves, but for the rest of the global workforce, it will be an acceptable thing.

And you braader,

will continue this esoteric aka useless aka fazool discussion on supporting tribal behavior that in the first place made people hide bombs in their @rseholes.

Good one!

And Pakistanis out of America? (at least that's what these tribal cave dwellers proved).

Is that important too?

What kind of weird logic is that in the time of globalization?

Funny that China, India, S. Korea, Japan, Singapore are all inviting MORE Americans to their countries.

And here we have Pakistanis LIVING IN UK/US advocating Americans to be kicked out of Pak.

Shabash.

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^ Bahi jaan I said America , not Americans , and I hope you do understand in what context I am talking about . Yes, American military agencies SHOULD be out of Pakistan and its not weird at all , rather very logical .

naMaan bhai aapko kaisay manaaya jaa-ay :) Jub naam he naMaan hai.

Seriously! save us from this ulat palat hypocratic discussion.

---- What is this "Kick out America"
---- But "keep the Americans".

It is a fact that wherever there are Americans, there will be American military and other agencies. Germany is one of the top industrial power, and they begged American military to stay in Germany.

Japanese are the one of the biggest industrial power in the world, and every year they pay $billions to move a small number of American soldiers to alternative sites. There are some protests in Okinawa, but no one is bombing Americans or killing Japanese soldiers for "supporting Americans".

S. Korea has 30K+ American soldiers and yet they are one of the biggest trading partners with the USA.

And here we have pipsqueaks in Pakistan and abroad who keep on harping with petty thuggery language about kicking out America.

And all this without ever realizing the position and state of Pakistan in the world. When will we stop talking like petty depots from the Middle East and Africa?

Rehna, sona, jagna America main.

Phir bhi naraay maartay hain "America murdabad".

Kitna acha tareeka hai.

Jis thali main khana, usi main chaid.

Shabash.

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^ I just think that Pakistan should belong to Pakistaniz . Like America belong to Americans . If America let Pakistan keep its forces in America then by all mean Americans can keep theirs in Pakistan .

Its called equality :)

The other countries you are talking about are not being attacked by the same forces that have bases there . Give me one example where Americans are attacking the locals and government is keeping them , other than Afghanistan , Iraq and Pakistan .

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The Vienna convention governing the rights of those on official state visits and those with diplomatic immunity supports the idea that delegations are exempt from normal security procedures. Whenever I have travelled I have had limited security checking.

Its normal practice to exempt delegations and diplomats from normal security procedures.

What does that have to do with self-esteem? And, if theres anyone who is to blame for all this, lets blame Islamists terrorists who put bombs in their undies to blow up planes full of people. I can live with scanners, but I won't live if terrorists blow up and airplane that I'm on.

As for the FATA delegation, they didn't like going through scanners & they were sent back. End of the story.

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Upset by U.S. Security, Pakistanis Return as Heroes - NYTimes.com
Upset by U.S. Security, Pakistanis Return as Heroes

 **By [JANE PERLEZ](http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/jane_perlez/index.html?inline=nyt-per)**

 **Published: March 9, 2010**
    


           ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A tour of the United States arranged by the State Department to improve ties to Pakistani legislators ended in a public relations fiasco when the members of the group refused to submit to extra airport screening in Washington, and they are now being hailed as heroes on their return home. 

“People should be thankful, you made them so proud,” said Hamid Mir, the host of a popular national talk show, during an interview in his studio on Tuesday with four of the six politicians, who railed against the security precautions at Ronald Reagan National Airport. 

Meetings with the Obama administration’s top policy makers on Pakistan, including the president’s special representative, Richard C. Holbrooke, and visits to the Pentagon and the National Security Council, did not allay the anger the politicians said they felt at being asked to submit to a secondary screening on Sunday before boarding a flight to New Orleans. They declined to be screened and did not board the flight.
Pakistan is one of 14 mostly Muslim countries whose citizens must go through increased checks before they fly into the United States, a procedure mandated by the Obama administration in the wake of the failed attempt by a Nigerian man to blow up an airliner flying from the Netherlands to Detroit on Dec. 25.
The inclusion of Pakistan on the list was broadly criticized as an insult to a country that the United States calls an ally.
The leader of the parliamentary group, Senator Abbas Khan Afridi, said in an interview on Tuesday that before they were to board the flight for New Orleans, he and his colleagues were selected from a crowd of passengers at the airport and asked to stand aside.
They were then asked to accept a full-body scan by a machine, he said. Such body-scanning units are in use at 19 airports across the United States, and more are being installed.
One of Mr. Afridi’s colleagues, Akhunzada Chitan, told Mr. Mir on his “Capital Talk” program, “Going through a body scan makes you naked, and in making you naked, they make the whole country naked.”
The lawmakers were chosen to visit the United States by the Political Section of the American Embassy. American officials are eager to reach out to political figures from the underdeveloped and isolated tribal areas where the Pakistani Army is now fighting to reclaim territory from the Taliban.
The United States Agency for International Development pledged two years ago to spend $750 million on various projects in the tribal areas, but residents there complain that they see more of the Taliban than American assistance.
In preparatory briefings for their trip, the politicians were advised that they might have to submit to extra body searches, just as randomly selected Americans must submit to secondary screening by the new machines, two officials from the American Embassy said.
The Pakistanis were specifically warned that the United States was not a “V.I.P. culture,” unlike Pakistan, where politicians are often exempted from unpalatable procedures that other people have to tolerate, the American officials said.
“We are disappointed that the group took offense at the security procedures thousands of Americans and visitors must endure at airports every day,” said Larry Schwartz, the senior communications adviser at the American Embassy in Islamabad. “No offense was intended. Indeed, they were warmly welcomed at high levels in Washington.”
The American Embassy in Islamabad has been endowed with an extra $37 million by Congress to spend on exchange programs intended to show skeptical Pakistanis that the United States is a real ally, a country that wants to help, not hinder, Pakistan.
The people-to-people exchanges between Pakistan and the United States, which include American lecturers and teachers of English coming to Pakistan, is now the most ambitious of such efforts run by the State Department around the globe, Mr. Schwartz said.
About 2,000 Pakistanis are expected to participate in the strengthened educational and cultural programs this year, he said. Indeed, a prime motivation of the protest against the screening procedures by the tribal area politicians appeared to be an effort to appeal to their home constituencies, many of whom regard the United States as an enemy.
“Our people were very disturbed we were going to America,” Mr. Afridi said. “We were under threat for going to the United States. We took the risk to see if America was interested in solving the problems.”
The State Department paid each of the participants $200 a day for accommodations and food during their stay in the United States.
If the American taxpayers wanted the money for the expenses refunded, he would be happy to do so, said Mr. Afridi, 40, who described himself as a major trader in cement, with businesses across Pakistan and in Afghanistan.
“We can pay back the $200 a day, no problem,” he said.
Then, he drove off in his brand-new Hummer — an example of his affection for American autos, he said — to appear on another television program to tell his story of standing up to the American authorities.
Pir Zubair Shah contributed reporting.

The reasons why Pakistanis want Americans kicked out because America = trouble. Our relationship is based on their terms and their self interest. Thye give us money. hey give us aid but WE should be doing that ourselves.

WHY are we pandering to a country which should have no interest or role to play in this region? I know its the only super power but people like burqposh advocate a relationship with the USA simply based on it.

We should raise and applause for the tribals - SOMEONE from pakistan has stood up and refused to be bullied by the US orders. Why are nt out leaders like this? Why are Officials from Pakistan expected to be treated as such? I wish our political parties PML, PPP, PML-QM ,MQM, ANP all had spine.

If Pakistan is an ally then we are an ally. The USA must decide whether they see us as FRIEND or FOE. THESE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE RISK GOING TO AMERICA YET LOOK HOW IT TREATS THEM.

Well done to the Indians who stood up for Shah Rukh Khan and their national dignity.

I think this thread should be a sticky to show our PRIDE!

Good to see many moderate Pakistanis support this action too otherwise Burqaposh would call us all FUNDOS!

A simple question bhai logo.

If these FATA tribal elders were receiving some visitors at their hujras.

Would they not "pat down/scan" the visitor and his donkey to see if he is not wearing a suicide vest?

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Burqa... Have you been to A Hujra of a tribal person? or even to the area before 9/11? if not then please just have a visit there when the situation get a bit better..understand their culture, then i hope u will not spit venom like this......

I asked a simple question. Had you known the culture of FATA tribals, you would have been able to answer it. Instead of humming and hawing and going on pre-9/11 bs-c etc.

If we follow your logic, we could potentially go all the way to Amma Hawwa and Baba Adam and blame it on the snake, shaitan etc.

Let me repeat it for you.

If these FATA tribal elders were receiving some visitors at their hujras.

Would they not have their security guys to "pat down/scan/probe" the visitor and his donkey to see if he or his donkey is not wearing a suicide vest, or hiding an explosive in their @r$eholes?

Dude, either you really don't understand a bit of what he meant or you are just playing ignorant. He just means remove US military and stop drone attacks in Pakistan, American citizens are/should-be welcome otherwise. Invading countries is NOT 'globalization'.

What does it have to do with "self-esteem"? I mean are you seriously asking or just being funny?

I am quite disturbed by your choice of words.

What 'beggars'??? Because they exposed the fact that all the support being sent for the poor people of FATA & the development of the region is being spent on buying luxury houses etc. for the people this support is being sent to?

I happened to watch the interview of this delegation. I am proud of them for taking a stand for their dignity as a group of officials who were INVITED by the US government for talks & negotiations to make things better. I am not only proud of them as people with a history of loyalty to Pakistan but also as dignified individuals. They were not your random muslim visitors to the US but an invited delegation. What makes you call them 'beggars'?

You know who the real beggars are? The ones who are stealing the financial support being sent for the people of this area to buy goodies for themselves. Oh no, not even beggars. I would rather call them thieves & robers.

I am really happy for these people representing the region had a chance to have heart to heart talks & to have reached an understanding so that the prevailing conditions which are mostly due to misunderstandings between so many different groups & communities created by a certain mafia can be made better.

This statement says it all. But some stupid Pakistanis too ignorant... er... educated to understand that.

I like your post.

Heck everyone knows about what he is trying to say. And that precisely is the point here.

Had he known that Americans are doing OUR dirty job in FATA.

We are like Akra Nawab, pouncing the feet, crying about dignity, while WE Let our areas get taken over by 2-bit Mullahs and their goons.

He moans and groans about drones.

Where is our will to support our military to go after the Talibotics and clean OUR territory?

Why is he not in the streets condemning the use of FATA for the petty attacks in the neighboring country,

BEFORE he shout about drones.

Americans are doing our soil-picking and you don't even say thank you.

FYI, Why couldn't our own soldiers not allowed to go kill the outlaw named Mahsood?

Why Pakistanis refuse to make FATA our territory instead of armchair shouting?

Why it had to be a drone to send that wanker to hell?

Any ideas? explanations? complaints? moans? groans?

Brother I do understand your concern . I happen to spend sometime with the students from northern area recently and according to them the money sent by USA never reaches the needy people . First its government that take its share , then they give out that money to the politicians in that area to help out people and for development , that never happens .

When I said beggars then I was talking about these political elite class of Pakistan , who come to America , asking for more money , just to fill out their own pockets . I have zero trust in any of these politicians / so called leaders . If they can't have garat eating money of poor people of Pakistan , then there is no point showing it on an air port .