Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
you want to consider all who hate MQM as murderers, you gave permission to attack most of population of Pakistan.
Who said that? I'm sure you must have proof for that so please provide it here and rest your case. Again, if you see hatred is coming from your side. Most of us are just saying that a man was tortured to death without taking to the trial and its wrong. This cant be even acceptable in wars to POWs and thats why we have things like Geneva convention. But you are attacking those who are calling it wrong so whether its Trump or Modi, its quite evident here who's who.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
I hope that you are sane enough to understand that winning election does not make a person immune to commit crimes nor does it make them immune to the law. Hitler won elections, yet committed large scale human rights violations and killings. Many communist organisations killed scores of people and yet had widespread support among masses.
I do not agree that the present ANP in itself is an armed gang like MQM, nor is PPP. Even though their affiliates in Karachi are not any less than MQM and for that matter if any of them dies in encounter or custody I will not loose sleep (doesn’t mean I condone that act). However, these parties in other provinces do not have arm gangs like they do in Karachi, and the reason is that they have picked arms after MQM, I hold MQM responsible for that. However, if there is any evidence to the contrary, I will be happy to change my position.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
Who said that? I'm sure you must have proof for that so please provide it here and rest your case. Again, if you see hatred is coming from your side. Most of us are just saying that a man was tortured to death without taking to the trial and its wrong. This cant be even acceptable in wars to POWs and thats why we have things like Geneva convention. But you are attacking those who are calling it wrong so whether its Trump or Modi, its quite evident here who's who.
I think I have made abundantly clear that I do not condone this act, you can read my earlier response to you post again, yet, you do not want to listen to any of the things MQM has done, which clearly tells us who the deceased was. We cannot isolate these two things.
The OP wants us to respect this party bcoz it has won elections, we on the other hand feel there is plenty of evidence that this party is involved in murder and killing systematically. Dont you think one we see someone asking to respect a party that is involved in killing, we see it as hate towards us?
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
I hope that you are sane enough to understand that winning election does not make a person immune to commit crimes nor does it make them immune to the law. Hitler won elections, yet committed large scale human rights violations and killings. Many communist organisations killed scores of people and yet had widespread support among masses.
I do not agree that the present ANP in itself is an armed gang like MQM, nor is PPP. Even though their affiliates in Karachi are not any less than MQM and for that matter if any of them dies in encounter or custody I will not loose sleep (doesn't mean I condone that act). However, these parties in other provinces do not have arm gangs like they do in Karachi, and the reason is that they have picked arms after MQM, I hold MQM responsible for that. However, if there is any evidence to the contrary, I will be happy to change my position.
Here is the list of few old stalwarts of mqm :)
Kehkeshan
Salim
One is now moderator I didn't remember his name. He used Sultan Rahi as his avatar
khoji (0ff and on he reappears after saying goodbye like AH in this forum :))
Aalsi
There may be one or two more. Except Salim and Khoji where are others?? Looks like they have changed their identities and come back to support this fascist, urban terrorists delivered by none else but Mardood Zia-ul-Haq.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
No thats not what the OP is saying, the has throughout maintained that this is an attack of Punjabis on Muhajirs and has been asking why don't we feel sympathy for the deceased. I think I explained it that its hard to sympathise for member of a killer squad even if something untoward happens to them.
You don't have to decide on what OP wants you to think/approve/disapprove. I don't support MQM at all, but I can't support extra-judicial murder like this as well. Condemning this murder does not mean supporting MQM (whether that is what OP is trying or not, I don't care).
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
Not clean sweep, but you guys parrot the “Karachi voted for PTI” rhetoric as if PTI had won half of Karachi’s NA and PA seats. So yes, Karachi did not vote for PTI, PTI just has a scattered vote bank there. Two different things, two different meanings.
Honestly it might be too much to expect and beyond shocking to see “parhey likhey Muhajirs” voting for a party other than an ethno-terrorist group, but trust me “uneducated” Punjabis and Pashtuns had been voting for second most popular parties in elections since ages. It’s a totally normal practice in democratic societies.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
You don't have to decide on what OP wants you to think/approve/disapprove. I don't support MQM at all, but I can't support extra-judicial murder like this as well. Condemning this murder does not mean supporting MQM (whether that is what OP is trying or not, I don't care).
Captain, this is human interaction, not a true false question. If the scope of discussion had remained to the custodial death, I would not have bothered, but it went from that to propagation of occupation of Karachi by Punjabis. Even though someone tried to find the custodial deaths in Punjab, I am sure it will vastly outnumber those in Karachi.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
so JI's ghunda gardi in punjab university is huqooq-ul-ibaad?
There are a lot of positive things they did for student rights. Some opportunist and fresh members do wrong things which is sort of natural for student age but still guaranteed that no drinking, no adultery, no bhatta khori. I have shared here a report of a news chanel that explains how female students are harassed by PU administration and academic staff. The female student interviewed were not from Jamiat but they had no bad words for Jamiat even though the TV channel reporter tried her best to extract some bad for Jamiat.
Administrators of PU are no less than dictators. They punish students on negligible mistakes. Security guards have absolute power over students.
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Isn't it racist that the natives of the city aren't good enough to be hired in its own police force? though, I think that the situation has improved compared to the eighties / nineties. There is a point to be made as to what have rangers been doing since they have been deployed since 1991 and karachi has had flares of violence in their tenure. Why can't they be proactive all the time; heck, the police should be vigilant as Rangers are a border force who are supposed to be deployed on special time-constrained missions to aid the local authorities. We aren't in postwar germany where US MPs had to be deployed to keep order.
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They consider themselves muhajir not natives. Also muhajir prefer to join their private army (MQM), instead. The MQM is the real police. Sindh police have no power nor authority. MQM police get loads of money and ammunition from external hands hence real power belongs to them in karachi.
Most interesting part is everybody knows that it is MQM that is actually policing Karachi but still they blame Sindh Police. Well, with the ranger operation, they have become almost toothless. And I believe they will loose more power as this is the age of science and technology plus Army is trained enough after fighting against TTP and CIA and Raw backed terrorists.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
People like ajaz are just angry like typical hardcore jamatis that JI isn't the sole ghunda force in karachi. After all, they introduced the gun culture in karachi, not MQM, but they do ***** rona when their behind got kicked by altaf.
I never want jamat to ever come in power in karachi. it is nothing more than hamam may sab nangay. As far as PTI goes, Jolie is doing a good job so much so that PTI would get near zero votes from karachi in the next election. I wonder where is all the hate for punjabis, her own nationality, who overwhelmingly voted for 'noon' league and will do so again judging from things like reduced loadshedding and qeema parathas at time of election. PTI would just be reduced to another ANP with national aspirations
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
People like ajaz are just angry like typical hardcore jamatis that JI isn't the sole ghunda force in karachi. After all, they introduced the gun culture in karachi, not MQM, but they do ***** rona when their behind got kicked by altaf.
I never want jamat to ever come in power in karachi. it is nothing more than hamam may sab nangay. As far as PTI goes, Jolie is doing a good job so much so that PTI would get near zero votes from karachi in the next election. I wonder where is all the hate for punjabis, her own nationality, who overwhelmingly voted for 'noon' league and will do so again judging from things like reduced loadshedding and qeema parathas at time of election. PTI would just be reduced to another ANP with national aspirations
Jolie and Ajaz are few example of extreme views and we can not generalize their behavior on whole Punjab.
JT and PSF were the real inventor of gun culture in Karachi University. MQM followed on their footstep and after Afghan war guns were easily available to them.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
Karachi voted for PTI, nobody can question that, yes majority votes went for MQM (fair or rigging is different question), but if ANP/JI cries that Karachi did not vote for them I can understand
you bring more laughter to this forum
“They consider themselves muhajir not natives” … so the police must be brought from other cities can’t laugh any harder
Dude… you can try for a standup comedy sometimes, it may work for you… at least once in a month people will laugh.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
Jolie and Ajaz are few example of extreme views and we can not generalize their behavior on whole Punjab.
JT and PSF were the real inventor of gun culture in Karachi University. MQM followed on their footstep and after Afghan war guns were easily available to them.
I didn't generalize their views on whole of punjab unlike someone else or multiple people who these two personalities are afraid to take on themselves. Look at them badmouthing karachi and muhajirs when we have been so civil with them. As the saying goes, laato'n kay bhoot baato'n say nahin maantay. I refuse to go below the level of some posters here so I guess that I will have to enjoy the "show".
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
I didn't generalize their views on whole of punjab unlike someone else or multiple people who these two personalities are afraid to take on themselves. Look at them badmouthing karachi and muhajirs when we have been so civil with them. As the saying goes, laato'n kay bhoot baato'n say nahin maantay. I refuse to go below the level of some posters here so I guess that I will have to enjoy the "show".
I was not saying that you were generalizing them. I am saying that Jolie and Ajaz are few example and majority of Punjabis are loving people.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
People like ajaz are just angry like typical hardcore jamatis that JI isn't the sole ghunda force in karachi. After all, they introduced the gun culture in karachi, not MQM, but they do ***** rona when their behind got kicked by altaf.
I never want jamat to ever come in power in karachi. it is nothing more than hamam may sab nangay. As far as PTI goes, Jolie is doing a good job so much so that PTI would get near zero votes from karachi in the next election. I wonder where is all the hate for punjabis, her own nationality, who overwhelmingly voted for 'noon' league and will do so again judging from things like reduced loadshedding and qeema parathas at time of election. PTI would just be reduced to another ANP with national aspirations
What are you talking about?
At least I'm honest and unapologetically bash people who support and vote for PMLN despite their criminality. Illiteracy, rural, biradri factors on one side, I have continuously admitted the moral rot in urban, educated well off Punjabis who support PMLN because they or their families directly benefit from PMLN's culture of nepotism, bribe and corruption. I'm putting these people in the same catalogue as criminals.
Unlike Karachiites who make millions of excuses and provide petty justifications as to why oh so educated and urban people keeps electing an ethno-terrorist mafia after three generations and thousands dead!
Have some shame. You'll never see me going easy on Patwaris whereas people like Mahool & Co are always shedding tears on MQM, and people who elect this vile racist terror group.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
People like ajaz are just angry like typical hardcore jamatis that JI isn't the sole ghunda force in karachi. After all, they introduced the gun culture in karachi, not MQM, but they do ***** rona when their behind got kicked by altaf.
I never want jamat to ever come in power in karachi. it is nothing more than hamam may sab nangay. As far as PTI goes, Jolie is doing a good job so much so that PTI would get near zero votes from karachi in the next election. I wonder where is all the hate for punjabis, her own nationality, who overwhelmingly voted for 'noon' league and will do so again judging from things like reduced loadshedding and qeema parathas at time of election. PTI would just be reduced to another ANP with national aspirations
You guys have a universal answer to every question. PTI criticizes mqm/karachi voters beacause they dont get votes their. Ppp/pmln/ji criticize for the same reason. Lolz.
"when their behind got kicked by altaf" A classic karachiiet is so proud of their don
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
What are you talking about?
At least I'm honest and unapologetically bash people who support and vote for PMLN despite their criminality. Illiteracy, rural, biradri factors on one side, I have continuously admitted the moral rot in urban, educated well off Punjabis who support PMLN because they or their families directly benefit from PMLN's culture of nepotism, bribe and corruption. I'm putting these people in the same catalogue as criminals.
Unlike Karachiites who make millions of excuses and provide petty justifications as to why oh so educated and urban people keeps electing an ethno-terrorist mafia after three generations and thousands dead!
Have some shame. You'll never see me going easy on Patwaris whereas people like Mahool & Co are always shedding tears on MQM, and people who elect this vile racist terror group.
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
I was not saying that you were generalizing them. I am saying that Jolie and Ajaz are few example and majority of Punjabis are loving people.
Yes you are right, Punjabis are indeed very loving people and they will always oppose, condemn and reject any racism done in their name. That's why Punjabis are the only group in Pakistan that couldn't be bothered with the whole identity politics. Believe me, Nawaz Sharif cannot stand in front of the crowd and openly abuse Muhajirs the way MQM abuses Punjabis and Pashtuns.
Before getting upset at certain online Punjabi not showing you the loving side, did you bother condemning/rejecting MQM when they made vile racist attacks on Punjabis in recent LB campaign?
Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody
Unfortunately almost all people I met here in UK from Pakistan do not leave any stone unturned in trying to stamp you as a MQM supporter once they learn you come from Karachi!
you bring more laughter to this forum
… so the police must be brought from other cities can’t laugh any harder