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^ he will only expose those people from whom his business empire is in danger.
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^ he will only expose those people from whom his business empire is in danger.
of course.
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There is term used in pakistan "ganda kerna"
MR has perfect oppertunity to go and present his issue to the court, yet he chose to bitc-h infront of media.
MR's task is chief ko ganda kerna.
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another twist. From from credible Eitazaz. He is saying he talked to CJ about this sometime ago and CJ said that he will ‘talk to Arsalan about this’ on the other hand Registrar of supreme-court has issued the statement that CJ knew nothing about this before.
Beware of Media sniping in BehriaGate - Dr.Shahid Masood (pls discuss)
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Any institution (or head of institution) that does corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, misconduct and power abuse oversteps their authority and trust. I can give many examples, but giving one or two from different national institutions.
Judiciary: For instance, judiciary overstepped when Iftikhar chaudhary made CM of Baluchistan get his son admitted in medical college on CM seat and later IC used judiciary power to get his son job in police. Every Pakistani knows that most judges are corrupt and take bribe to delay cases or give wrong judgment, and that is also overstepping of judiciary.
Executive: When Nawaz Shareef sacked army chief without any reason or show cause notice, he overstepped his power and thus institution of prime minister’s office was abused. Well, every time NS and BB used power trusted on them to do corruption, nepotism, and power misuse, institution of prime minister’s office was abused.
Bureaucracy: Every time bureaucrats do corruption, nepotism or misuse their office, they overstep power of bureaucratic institution trusted on them, and thus institution of bureaucracy gets abused. [Whenever land grabbers occupy land and get it legalised in his name (like Malik Riaz), a bureaucrat is involved in doing that legalisation, and that involvement of bureaucrat is overstepping of bureaucratic institution].
Police: Every time police torture, wrongly implicate, kills someone on fake encounter, take bribe, punishes innocent to make their boss happy or for money, etc, the institution of law enforcement agency oversteps and thus ... institution of law enforcement agency gets abused.
So on ... and all above what I mentioned is happening on daily basis in every Pakistani institutions, that means, all Pakistani institutions are overstepping the power they are entrusted and thus abuse happening.
So u r saying every over-stepped but army never did!!! if that is your believe then no more argument on this issue who thinks that every person in country who does not belong to army has no right to exercise powers given to him by the constitution .... and army can any time in the pre-text of saving country can takeover... sorry to say but anyone believing in such theory need to see doctor
What you mean by conquering own country or treason?
so it is not treason to throw away a legal govt by an employee of the same company... a mere employee who has a job to protect to the boundaries of the country and to which they have utterly failed so far... tell me a single expedition of Pak-Army in which they were able to defend Pakistan... even if in some occasions the army-men able to defeat the enemy on the ground, army generals lost it on the table... yes this is treason according the constitution to over throw any elected govt and army of Pakistan have done that many times and each time, we the people had to pay the price and there were times when the price was half the country... may be that is why some people like you like to have army ruling Pakistan...
To me: All who can (including armed forces), they should act when they see country getting looted and plundered by people in power.
No!!! not by any mean, there are institutes in the country which should look into it... at most they can point out to a person or party involved in anti-Pakistan activities... '
Actually if army sees that country is getting looted by thugs in power regardless of how they got into power, political or whatever means, then it is their duty to act against these thugs and throw them out of power (rather hang them so country get rid of corrupt thugs). It is not that if they act then it would be treason, rather if they would not act then it would be treason.
yeah right, like Shuja Pasha getting two plazas in Isb... that is how they control thing... and as they say, creating controversies, and allowing drones to kill common Pakistanies and allowing Americans to kill jawans of Pak-Army and allowing American spies to operate and kill as many Pakistanies as they like and later escort them to the airport and out of the country in a chartered plane... No political or civil servant can even dare to think about it...
For me, whenever Pakistan Army took over power, they did not conquered but performed their duty and served the country. To me, those who lie to people and get into power due to their lies, it is they who conquer the country and after conquering they loot and plunder. It is obvious, as those who conquer a land do not serve that land but loot and plunder that land, and do nepotism by rewarding those who were with them in conquering the land, what Pakistani thugs in politics do every time they conquer Pakistan into power. Their looting and plundering country is treason, not army kicking their ass.
Under which section of constitution it is mandatory for the army to take-over the country??? whilst it is being governed by the elected people -- if these people are bad then let the people of pakistan who elected them deal with them... but no, army do not want to get into its primary role, they want to run the country and that is all... and if they are not conquering Pakistan, mind telling me how many generals and col and brigadiers who take part in coop are now having plots in the posh areas of Pakistan????
As for army getting beaten by USA, India and terrorists, that is big BS statement. Be realistic. Pak army never fought USA. Pak army performance against India is reasonable if one look at resources of each ... as Pak defence budget is ~ $6 billion whereas Indian defence budget is $41 billion dollars (or 7 times Pakistan defence budget).
So they don't get their ass whipped by USA and terrorists and by its neighbors all the time. is that you are saying, Kargil is not an old story.... need not to say anything after that...
As for terrorists, they are engraved in Pakistani society and have no ethic or religion. Pakistan army is teaching them good lesson, but traitors in Pakistani society (including some in armed forces too) are supporting these terrorists giving them strength, thus job of fighting them is difficult.
and who engraved them>>> isn't mard-e-momin of Pakistan behind it??? now say don't quote him as well!!!
You are right that many in Pakistani politics are product of military patronage. But that does not mean these thugs once get on their feet become corrupt and start corrupting other institutions too. Anyhow, it is not true that all Pakistani politicians who got into power had military patronage. Actually, in strict sense only one politician who got into power got there due to military patronage. For instance, those who got into power:
ZAB: Had military patronage but started his political career opposing military.
BB: Never had military patronage and got into power without military patronage.
Zardari: Never had military patronage and got into power without military patronage.
Nawaz Shareef (he is the unique one out): He is only politician who had military patronage and also got into power due to military patronage.
Yeah right no one is been their with help of army, ZAB was made civil chief marshal law admin just for fun, he was sent to UN during 1971 war just to fill the position... yeah you are right about it... army creates these politicians because they do not want the real leadership to emerge from the people as it can jeopardize their rule on the country.. just like it have damaged the generals of Turkey big time... that is why if the popular slogan is ROTI KAPRA, then ZAB comes up with it, if it is Nizam-e-Mustafa then Modoodi comes with it, If it is Shariyat then NS comes with it, and if it is about the change and frustration then IK comes with it...
Anyhow, one thing is common amongst all above 4 civilian politician who got into power, that is all mentioned misused and abused their power, did nepotism, did mismanagement, etc ... and last 3 were/are mega corrupt. These politicians are guilty of treason (as they harmed the country), and deserve getting treated like traitors.
yeah right the four army generals who rules Pakistan were saints and their kids who were nothing before they came to power are still doing jobs instead of owning multimillionaire business empires
You are wrong that Pakistan lost East Pakistan due to prolonged military rule. East Pakistan was lost because most policy makers in power were from West Pakistan (especially Punjab) who mistreated East Pakistan from 1947 onward in many respect, causing desire of separation amongst East Pakistani political leaders and educated middle class. Bhutto only made that inevitable of separation to happen sooner, that is all.
great, the army was ruling east and west Pakistan but blame should go to Punjabies for the separation... that is simple and great logic i have ever seen... next time, please do tell us, what is the role of the govt to balance the equation ??? ah i know you will say, generals are simple people they don't know anything they are just been fooled by the civil servants... yeah they chochay bachay...look what these chochay bachay and their families are living like...
As for Army’s performance when dealing with American or Indian forces, then we have to be realistic and know that Pakistani armed forces have limited ability. Pakistan defence budget is ~ $6 billion for year 2012-13 whereas India’s defend budget for 2012-13 is ~ $41 billion (or ~7 times more than Pakistan). It means Indian armed forces on paper are 7 times stronger than Pakistan too.
As for USA, their defence spending for year 2012 was over $1000 billion and it would be stupidity for Pakistan to deal with them militarily. On the other hand, American forces are not even fighting Pakistan anyway. What they are doing is what Pakistan army wants to do too, and hence American and Pakistani forces are allies against same enemies. That is different matter that Pakistan do not openly declare American alliance due to political reasons and home consumption, because there are many Pakistanis who are mentally traitor towards Pakistan as they love those who are bombing, maiming and killing innocent Pakistanis in markets, mosques, mazars, etc ...and are also fighting Pakistani state and Pakistan armed forces.
comparies apples with oranges... India have huge army that is true... india have huge budget even that is true and this is also true that the country they have is 7 or 8 times bigger then what we have got!!!! do perform some ratio analysis... Our forces are only INDIAN-FOCUSED where as, India although having Pakistan as its prime focus have to deal with a dozen freedom movement with in the country!!!! As pakistan have a standing army of about 600,000 men from the population of 20 million whereas India for the population of 1000 million have 2.4 million standing army... do rest of the math...
As for US... we are were never their prime target, they do have huge budget and huge army but that is spread out through out the world.... so do your math their as well... we do not have stations in almost every country, our navy is not a blue-water navy, our defense forces do not have their own space program, our forces do not go places nor our airforce is based in different countries... do your math...
It is really funny and mostly lies what you wrote above. :). Pakistan armed forces have always whipped the ass of Afghans and it was due to Pakistan armed forces Taliban occupied large track of Afghanistan. Pakistan never fought Iran or America to make ridiculous comments you made. Pakistani forces did reasonably well fighting with India when one compares what India spends on their forces and what Pakistan spends ... as ratio is 7 to1.
I remember you right, anyone saying anything is lie to you and anything you say is the whole truth and most logical thing ever, that is the prime reason PML-Q won the elections in 2008, had they not listened to you back then, they might have fair chance..
Yeah that is why every other day we have Iranian forces have cross border raids... secondly, taliban were supported by us, but they were never controlled by us, keep that in mind, had they been controlled by us, USA might never want to get into Afghanistan... so get your facts straight... Yeah Pakistan never fought US, they only receive beating from them.. as fighting is something where both parties hit each other
And to call army interference in government affairs as overstepping is completely ridiculous. Pakistan forces get paid from** people’s taxes **and it is their duty to see if Pakistan is not getting looted and plundered. They would not interfere if Pakistani politicians would rule the country without corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, misuse of power, and misconduct.
Thank God you never said that army raise this money on their own... they get paid by people's taxes and how they pay back to the people by supporting the corrupt people or making leaders out of corrupt elements, MQM, Sipah-e-Sahaba, LeT, NS, IK, ZAB,, Diesel, you name any of them and they are product of army which they made using tax money of people of Pakistan.... and when they think any of these are not doing any good job for them... they simply take things in their hand...
Question you should ask is that: Is it what Pakistanis vote politicians to do corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, power misuse, treat ordinary citizen (voters) as animal, do misconduct, grab all national wealth, sell country to outside forces, and continuously loot and plunder the country.
If army do not act against these thugs then who would act ... Angels from sky?
Angels will come from the people if Army do not cut them by supporting corrupt people just to continue their rule... Look how Abdullah Gul and Erdagan emerged from the little space they got... i think army over their got bit over-confident and these two have done what army couldn't do in 80 years of Turkey's history..
Show me a single country in world which is being ruled directly or indirectly by army and is considered developed and prosperous....and yes Mianmar is not a developed country
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Please do not talk about Mushy era with contempt, as only corrupts and thugs in Pakistan talk about Mushy era with contempt because they were losing their chance of looting and plundering the country. Well, others who talk bad about that era are traitors who love terrorists fighting Pakistan and killing innocent Pakistanis everywhere.
As for progress and development what Pakistan seen during Mushy era, I wonder if Pakistan would ever see such golden age again. For me, I have all appreciation for him because during his time Pakistan has seen huge development, progress, poverty reduction, stability, and growth ... in every area of life.
even if a donkey had been sitting in the power center of Pakistan, Pakistan might have done better, the whole wide world was on boom even countries like Central Africa and Nigeria were growing and once that boom was over, what we got is the worst crisis of all times reason is simple, during the boom time we did nothing to sustain it, all we did was create short-term goals!!! one of the problem Mushy created is known as Circular Debt... which is not going to leave us until 2014 or 2015... so in real terms Mushy's era was a real disaster to the country... nothing else where NAB was used to hunt and bring the corrupt politician to the mushy's camp... the steel mills scandal, the NICL scandal, the Punjab Bank Scandal, the Sugar Hoarding the Flour Hoarding are few gifts of Mushy's era....
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If Two people are their, one a known fraud and scammer such as Malik Riaz and other is someone like CJ, i will consider what CJ have to say compare to what a known liar, briber, fraud and a scammer's word... the guy who have looted the country for some good 10 years, have been involved in land grabbing and bribing officers to grab govt lands can say alll sorts of lie, doesn't matter if he holds Quran in his hand...
Having said that, MR, Arsalan, Salman Khan, Khalil Ahmed are all culprits in this crime and should be punished with their assets confisicated by the govt on the orders of SC...
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I’ll wait till Aitzaz Comes up with his final statement, he has been changing it!!! maybe everytime he hears himself thinks that it could have been better if said this way or modified that way!!!
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I would’ve given this leechar insaan, Riaz, some benefit of doubt had he not spoken ill of the entire judiciary. Khoteya tera panga kis se hai… Arsalan se, CJ se ya entire Pakistani judiciary se? Ek judiciary he tau bachi hai Pakistanio k pas tere or poo-dari jaise khoton se nijaat dilane k lie! And how dare he drag the Quran into this??? 
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this leechar guy have no respect for anything other than his power circle… he is power hungry monger and is busy defaming anyone who is a threat to his corrupt empire… just check it out, he is openly admitting that he have given bribe to get things his way !!! i guess like any leach he now knows his time has come then why not destroy the country which he used to become a billionaire… Malik Riaz and many like him are curse to nation of Pakistan, and be ready for another scandal just like we saw Cooperative scandal… some 20 years ago!!!
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And then there is another point in it
It is being said that the total capital of Bahria is aroung Rs 220 Million whereas liabilities to the company aroung Rs 25+billion... now that is the perfect case for bankruptcy and MR using Presidency and others is opting for a KHUD-KUSH attack laying all the blame on Judiciary as the govt is doing when they say because Judiciary rolled back the 100 MW rental power plants, that is why we have power-cuts in Pakistan
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I dont get why Aitezaz Ahson had to 'endorse' MR's allegations. Well played people, very well played!
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I dont get why Aitezaz Ahson had to 'endorse' MR's allegations. Well played people, very well played!
Aitezaz is MR's lawyer and he have to do what he had to get relief for his client!!! MR doesn't pay his billions of rupees fee for nothing
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Aitzaz also is not that credible now as he is the attorney of MR as well, anyways the case is in the courts everything will come out soon. As far as what I have gathered so far it’s during the past few weeks when aitzaz discussed with chief justice.
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lie after lie!!
he is saying he has been blackmailed, I mean seriously, thats the best he can come up with?
“Call me for contempt or send me to jail. I’m ready to die. I’m not afraid of the jails,” Riaz said, while promising that he will disclose more facts in “due time”.”
(http://tribune.com.pk/story/392582/malik-riaz-brings-quran-to-press-conference-questions-cj/)
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**Malik Riaz left three questions for CJ to answer.
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First, “tell the nation how many times I have met you (CJ) in dark.”
Second, “tell the nation about that meeting when you (CJ) met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani at Ahmed Khalil’s residence in the presence of another Supreme Court’s sitting judge.”
Third, “Since how long you (CJ) knew about Arsalan Iftikhar case and why did you not take notice before?”
He also said, “I have supported movement for restoration of CJ back in 2007 when no other businessman dared to speak against General Musharaf.”
He revealed that six months back a common friend tried to settle this matter but CJ told him “Malik Riaz is a blackmailer”. Riaz told media that “CJ refused to see the documented evidence against hi son Arsalan Iftikhar.”
He also said that he is not afraid of going to jail because there is not a single registered case in Pakistan against me in past sixty years. “The conspiracy against me and Bahria town started in only few years time,” Riaz added.
“Why Bahria Town is being marginalized? Is it because out of twenty one thousand employees there are only five who are my relatives? In Punjab Chaudhry Nisar (PML-N leader) is marginalizing us and now here they started the same,” Riaz continued.
He also mentioned that CJ should not be a part of the bench hearing his case.
He said “I am not saying I have bribed Arsalan Iftikhar, but he blackmailed me.”
“Arsalan Iftikhar is a don,” he added.
Speaking exclusively with saach.tv former Supreme Court judge Justice (rtd) Khalil-ur-Rehman Ramdey said that if a person himself confessed of using unfair means for manipulating judicial decisions in his favor then he can tried for fraud.
“Such person can maximum be tried for fraudulent attitude,” Justice Khalil said
Malik Riaz confesses, ‘met CJ in dark
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this is really not a political issue, its isnt just about CJ/Arsalan/Malik Riaz, its about the future of Pakistan!
besides Malik Riaz, whose interests are at stake due to judicial activism???
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^ government and intelligence agencies, there's a news that the payments have been carried out in some isi safe houses.
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Aitezaz is MR's lawyer and he have to do what he had to get relief for his client!!! MR doesn't pay his billions of rupees fee for nothing
Its a shame that the guy who fought so valiantly is now degrading himself like this. His endorsement was needless and shameful.
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