Facebook campaign launched threatening to WHIP Saudi female drivers

[NomiCA]

Re: Facebook campaign launched threatening to WHIP Saudi female drivers

dear local pind resident, our arab speaking friends in a nearby part of earth will tell you otherwise. Social media is a powerful tool thanks, ali

Dear LuLL

The power of social media depends on the message, its appeal to masses and overall sensibility of the 'cause'/'campaign'........

so comparing democratic/liberation movements with some women whipping loony campaign is a bit of over-simplification on your part....

[Dr.LuLworth]

Re: Facebook campaign launched threatening to WHIP Saudi female drivers

Dear LuLL

The power of social media depends on the message, its appeal to masses and overall sensibility of the 'cause'/'campaign'........

so comparing democratic/liberation movements with some women whipping loony campaign is a bit of over-simplification on your part....

so you agree that social media carries the strength of a trillion arms. you can argue the rest with yourself. that was my point.

[Antumul_alona]

Re: Facebook campaign launched threatening to WHIP Saudi female drivers

First of I hope the rest of the posters don’t mind that this is becoming a religious discussion not so much on women’s driving but about other matters.

@javedk

Arrey bhai, mera imaan saaf hai and my aalim is correct. Anyone who talks about Islam and/or Islamic practices becomes a troll in the eyes of the likes of PyariCGuide Pakistanis these are becoming one of the two types- either Liberal extremists or wine-drinking Enlightened secular like Mushy Mota.

Err…imaan to be clean means you believe in Allah swt and His messenger (saw). However some of your views are wrong and your inferences are not correct. Eeman and understanding of fiqh are two different things. ]
So please tell us who your “aalim” is?

@javedk

Khair, I don’t know where you get your knowledge from but read this then tonu gaal samajh aaye:

Alhamdolillah I got it from very reliable and renowned Islamic scholars through sitting directly with them and learning from them face to face. Jazakum Allahu Khairan.

@javedk

http://hamditabligh.web44.net/articles/shaking_hands_and_greeting_non_m.htm.

To apply the ruling regarding greetings, salutations and handshakes to medical necessity and treatment can only be done by some one who has no idea of islamic jurisprudence and how rulings are applied or in other words needs to learn to avoid ignorance or* jahal.*.
Next time quote directly on the subject at hand. It may take a few more days to google search your answer.

For now read this and chew on it…

Men treating women
*What is the ruling on a male doctor treating a Muslim woman?

Praise be to Allaah.

The basic principle is that if a female specialist doctor is available, she should examine the patient. If no such doctor is available, then a trustworthy non-Muslim female doctor can do it. If this is not possible, then a male Muslim doctor, and if a male Muslim doctor is not available, then a non-Muslim male doctor…

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid*

and more …

Can a man specialize in gynaecology and obstetrics?

*I am a student in the faculty of medicine, in my final year, and I am seriously thinking of the possibility of specializing in gynaecology and obstetrics. What is the Islamic view on this matter?.

Praise be to Allaah.
A question similar to yours was put to the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas, headed by Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him). It reads as follows:

I am a student in the faculty of medicine and next year we will be covering the subject of gynaecology and obstetrics. I want to ask the following:

(a) Is it permissible for me to attend the practical classes in which women’s bodies may be uncovered?

(b) Is it permissible for a male doctor to specialize in gynaecology and obstetrics, or is this only for female doctors?

They replied: If there is a sufficient number of female specialists in gynaecology and obstetrics, then it should be limited to them and it is not permissible for you to study it, or to look at the ‘awrahs of women when training, whether that is examining them or doing surgery on them. **But if there are not enough women specializing in gynaecology to do what is essential in this field, and there is a need for Muslims to specialize in it, then it is permissible for you to study it and you have a concession allowing you to see whatever you need to see to examine women and do operations. End quote. **

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (12/175)

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A*

@javedk

So, to answer your question, if a woman gets in an accident, her sister or female friends should take her to a hospital where only female doctors or nurses can help her. It is ILLEGAL for her to be put on a stretcher by guys. Absolutely haraam.

Ok Mr. Illegal / Haram-policeman.
So the whole point of the thread which was about Women being chauffeured around alone with a male driver and getting in to car accident can’t happen - right? some women will always be around her..ok. got it, or in your case women can’t travel without other women around them? what about a husband and wife travelling and getting into a major accident where both are immobilized?

@javedk

Read whatever you have written in bold. My aalim or any good scholar in Pak, Saudi or any sane muslim country will say that only a female nurse can touch her and treat her. She can ask a guy doctor for advice but the doctor should not look at the patient in this case.

I already quoted from supposedly very very Saudi website for your pleasure. Your views are incorrect.

@javedk

In Islam, rights of women are clearly defined. The other day I argued with an American Pakistani women who was working at the Starbucks. She gets looked by non-mehram and this kind of chichhora jobs of a Barista should only be done by Indian girls. who cares.

Irrelavant example. A muslim woman working at a coffee shop if she is observing her hijab and again under a need or necessity is permissible. Even if she is not observing hijab then her earning being legal is separate from her act of not covering. Grow up and smell the roses or coffee in this case.
And your final example clearly shows that you are have a very deep feeling towards oppression of women and consider women in general inferior. If not than that is what it sounds like at least.

To conclude, I will add that even the strictest salafi scholars from Saudi allow male medical professionals to treat women under situations of necessity. Please correct your views. To call them extremist would be an understatement.

Please stop seeking your knowledge from shaikh Ana fil matbakh or shaikh fulan fil hammam?

[Nina85]

Re: Facebook campaign launched threatening to WHIP Saudi female drivers

Reminds me of those idiots who stopped the girls from leaving their school in Mecca when it was burning down as they weren't 'properly covered.' People like that make me sick..

I didnt even hear about that!

Vomit.

[IceSoul]

Re: Facebook campaign launched threatening to WHIP Saudi female drivers

I didnt even hear about that!

Vomit.

Not many did. Ther ewas once a discussion going on about woman's rights in Islam at dinner at a family friends' house and I quoted this incident. And the host actually turned to me and said "Beta, ye sirf propaganda ha*i,aisa kuch nai hua tha." *

I don't know how to reply to that lol :p

[javedk]

Re: Facebook campaign launched threatening to WHIP Saudi female drivers

Thast bullsh*&. If yo had a sick daughter-wife-sister and only male doctors were around, no nurses...what would you do? Let them die in the name of your so called Islam? And put the prohibition of Muslim men meeting a non-Mahram woman in seclusion without her Mahram in context. Medically speaking, women are allowed to medical care and should not be prohibited from receiving it even from a male doctor. I cant believe that people who think life you still exist.

I, as a male will ask the male doctor to find some nurse to take care of my wife-daughter-sister. If there is no female nurse, I will leave them to Allah(swt). Allah(swt) will take care of them. Following Islam to the core is the least we could do. I hope we are not talking Medical things etc. and are talking Islam. Islam is the only thing dearest to us, the Pakistanis than bread, electricity, water or even our mother/father. If Allah(swt) is by side, we would not even need a doctor. Have you studied Al-Sunnah and teachings of nabi-ul-rasool(SAW)? Why are you talking like then? I am sorry to be blunt :-(

[javedk]

Re: Facebook campaign launched threatening to WHIP Saudi female drivers

Err....imaan to be clean means you believe in Allah swt and His messenger (saw). However some of your views are wrong and your inferences are not correct. Eeman and understanding of fiqh are two different things. ] So please tell us who your "aalim" is?

My aalim is Maulan Inayatullah Qadri of Okra, Punjab, Pakistan. He is very very well learned and he has done many many umhrahs and knows like no one else. He speaks Arabic too :-) So, he has learnt Al-Koran to the heart and knows about the status of Women in Islam very very well.

Praise be to Allaah.

The basic principle is that if a female specialist doctor is available, she should examine the patient. If no such doctor is available, then a trustworthy non-Muslim female doctor can do it. If this is not possible, then a male Muslim doctor, and if a male Muslim doctor is not available, then a non-Muslim male doctor................

Islam Q&A Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Hahaha.. May I know who is this Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid is? Must be some MQM member, a convert from Hindu, an ex-but-parast(but parast is the worst crime in Islam), living in Karachi. Indians should not have allowed to join Islam. I am not sure where this moulvi(if he is a moulvi at all) gets his opinion from? As far as I know, a non-muslim female is allowed in situations where a muslim female is not there but he is wrong on male doctor part. Sorry.

Can a man specialize in gynaecology and obstetrics?

I am a student in the faculty of medicine, in my final year, and I am seriously thinking of the possibility of specializing in gynaecology and obstetrics. What is the Islamic view on this matter?.

Praise be to Allaah. A question similar to yours was put to the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas, headed by Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him). It reads as follows:

I am a student in the faculty of medicine and next year we will be covering the subject of gynaecology and obstetrics. I want to ask the following:

(a) Is it permissible for me to attend the practical classes in which women’s bodies may be uncovered?

(b) Is it permissible for a male doctor to specialize in gynaecology and obstetrics, or is this only for female doctors?

They replied: If there is a sufficient number of female specialists in gynaecology and obstetrics, then it should be limited to them and it is not permissible for you to study it, or to look at the ‘awrahs of women when training, whether that is examining them or doing surgery on them. But if there are not enough women specializing in gynaecology to do what is essential in this field, and there is a need for Muslims to specialize in it, then it is permissible for you to study it and you have a concession allowing you to see whatever you need to see to examine women and do operations. End quote.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (12/175)

Okay... This could be right. You can study gynaecology but not touch women during- ONLY advise nurse or female doctor what to do. Plus, gynaecology and obstetrics are western studies... right? Seems these moulvis are becoming modern like the fake Dr. Aamir Liaqat Hussain of MQM. His TV show is hilarious.

Ok Mr. Illegal / Haram-policeman. So the whole point of the thread which was about Women being chauffeured around alone with a male driver and getting in to car accident can't happen - right? some women will always be around her..ok. got it, or in your case women can't travel without other women around them? what about a husband and wife travelling and getting into a major accident where both are immobilized?

Again, the husband could be touched and treated by male doctor and the wife could be treated by a female doctor nurse.. as simple as that.

Irrelavant example. A muslim woman working at a coffee shop if she is observing her hijab and again under a need or necessity is permissible. Even if she is not observing hijab then her earning being legal is separate from her act of not covering. Grow up and smell the roses or coffee in this case. And your final example clearly shows that you are have a very deep feeling towards oppression of women and consider women in general inferior. If not than that is what it sounds like at least.

To conclude, I will add that even the strictest salafi scholars from Saudi allow male medical professionals to treat women under situations of necessity. Please correct your views. To call them extremist would be an understatement.

Mera Imaan saaf hai. I believe women have more rights and freedom in Islam as long as they play by the rules and obey their husband, dad and brother(s). Woman are vulnerable and we should protect them. I don't consider them inferior. They are physically weak but they are also our sister, mother, daughter and wives. Can you give me an example of line I have bold-faced please? Where did salafi scholars from Saudi allow male medical professionals to treat women under necessary situations?