Facebook campaign launched threatening to WHIP Saudi female drivers

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Re: Facebook campaign launched threatening to WHIP Saudi female drivers

First of I hope the rest of the posters don’t mind that this is becoming a religious discussion not so much on women’s driving but about other matters.

@javedk

Arrey bhai, mera imaan saaf hai and my aalim is correct. Anyone who talks about Islam and/or Islamic practices becomes a troll in the eyes of the likes of PyariCGuide Pakistanis these are becoming one of the two types- either Liberal extremists or wine-drinking Enlightened secular like Mushy Mota.

Err…imaan to be clean means you believe in Allah swt and His messenger (saw). However some of your views are wrong and your inferences are not correct. Eeman and understanding of fiqh are two different things. ]
So please tell us who your “aalim” is?

@javedk

Khair, I don’t know where you get your knowledge from but read this then tonu gaal samajh aaye:

Alhamdolillah I got it from very reliable and renowned Islamic scholars through sitting directly with them and learning from them face to face. Jazakum Allahu Khairan.

@javedk

http://hamditabligh.web44.net/articles/shaking_hands_and_greeting_non_m.htm.

To apply the ruling regarding greetings, salutations and handshakes to medical necessity and treatment can only be done by some one who has no idea of islamic jurisprudence and how rulings are applied or in other words needs to learn to avoid ignorance or* jahal.*.
Next time quote directly on the subject at hand. It may take a few more days to google search your answer.

For now read this and chew on it…

Men treating women
*What is the ruling on a male doctor treating a Muslim woman?

Praise be to Allaah.

The basic principle is that if a female specialist doctor is available, she should examine the patient. If no such doctor is available, then a trustworthy non-Muslim female doctor can do it. If this is not possible, then a male Muslim doctor, and if a male Muslim doctor is not available, then a non-Muslim male doctor…

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid*

and more …

Can a man specialize in gynaecology and obstetrics?

*I am a student in the faculty of medicine, in my final year, and I am seriously thinking of the possibility of specializing in gynaecology and obstetrics. What is the Islamic view on this matter?.

Praise be to Allaah.
A question similar to yours was put to the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas, headed by Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him). It reads as follows:

I am a student in the faculty of medicine and next year we will be covering the subject of gynaecology and obstetrics. I want to ask the following:

(a) Is it permissible for me to attend the practical classes in which women’s bodies may be uncovered?

(b) Is it permissible for a male doctor to specialize in gynaecology and obstetrics, or is this only for female doctors?

They replied: If there is a sufficient number of female specialists in gynaecology and obstetrics, then it should be limited to them and it is not permissible for you to study it, or to look at the ‘awrahs of women when training, whether that is examining them or doing surgery on them. **But if there are not enough women specializing in gynaecology to do what is essential in this field, and there is a need for Muslims to specialize in it, then it is permissible for you to study it and you have a concession allowing you to see whatever you need to see to examine women and do operations. End quote. **

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (12/175)

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A*

@javedk

So, to answer your question, if a woman gets in an accident, her sister or female friends should take her to a hospital where only female doctors or nurses can help her. It is ILLEGAL for her to be put on a stretcher by guys. Absolutely haraam.

Ok Mr. Illegal / Haram-policeman.
So the whole point of the thread which was about Women being chauffeured around alone with a male driver and getting in to car accident can’t happen - right? some women will always be around her..ok. got it, or in your case women can’t travel without other women around them? what about a husband and wife travelling and getting into a major accident where both are immobilized?

@javedk

Read whatever you have written in bold. My aalim or any good scholar in Pak, Saudi or any sane muslim country will say that only a female nurse can touch her and treat her. She can ask a guy doctor for advice but the doctor should not look at the patient in this case.

I already quoted from supposedly very very Saudi website for your pleasure. Your views are incorrect.

@javedk

In Islam, rights of women are clearly defined. The other day I argued with an American Pakistani women who was working at the Starbucks. She gets looked by non-mehram and this kind of chichhora jobs of a Barista should only be done by Indian girls. who cares.

Irrelavant example. A muslim woman working at a coffee shop if she is observing her hijab and again under a need or necessity is permissible. Even if she is not observing hijab then her earning being legal is separate from her act of not covering. Grow up and smell the roses or coffee in this case.
And your final example clearly shows that you are have a very deep feeling towards oppression of women and consider women in general inferior. If not than that is what it sounds like at least.

To conclude, I will add that even the strictest salafi scholars from Saudi allow male medical professionals to treat women under situations of necessity. Please correct your views. To call them extremist would be an understatement.

Please stop seeking your knowledge from shaikh Ana fil matbakh or shaikh fulan fil hammam?