Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
I think this time, the exercise that are happening right now are supposedly more fair than last time but we’ll see what happens afterwards!
I think the big clincher was that USAF “came down” to a level where it didn’t use it AWACs amogn other long-range weapons.
Paki playa what are you talking about? 
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
I don’t think PAF is getting the Grippens in 1st place (now people don’t give me this AWAC example, as AWACs can come under defensive equipment while grippens are surely offense. 
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Even the AWAC deal hasn’t been finalized yet (and as usual, you can expect the indian bitching for it which did cancel some previous Pak deals..).
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
Can anyone explain what's the difference between fourth generation fighter and F-16 block 52? What makes Grippens any better than block 52 F-16?
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
There you have it: 
http://www.google.com
The biggest advantage of Grippens is the ability to datalink between fighters (basically one fighter can lie low / turn off radar while it gets information from another fighter or even AWAC and pounce on an unsuspecting fighter).
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
Blitz
The question was rhetorical.
Who said F-16s are not equipped with Link 16 Data Modems?
So what else makes fourth generation fighters better than block 52 F-16s?
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
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Who said F-16s are not equipped with Link 16 Data Modems?
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Are you sure?
I have not even seen it for the advanced block60 UAE falcons (let alone Pakistan which will get blk52).
Just forget it, on another thought, PAF might not even get grippens!
Let's just dwell on JF17 from now on!!!!
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
Sorry your ignorance can not be used as an excuse. Even Block 50 F-16s supplied to Israel has datalinks.
Ok lets dwell on JF-17… what do you want to dwell on? It has glass cockpit. GPS and laser gyro guided several layers of INS. Smaller RCS compared to IAF Mig-29s, Mirages and SU-30s. And all of this and much more at 1-4 of cost of modern fighters. What else would you like to dwell on?
Now back to my original question, what makes a fourth generation fighter better than block 52 F-16s?
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
if i was musharaff i would opt for j-10. this baby is build to defeat su 27 and f-16s. the cost is lower and the design of the J-10 is aerodynamically unstable, to provide a high level of agility, low drag and enhanced lift. The pilot controls the aircraft through a computerised digital fly-by-wire (FBW) system, which provides artificial stabilisation and gust elevation to give good control characteristics throughout the flight envelope.
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/j10_gallery2.asp
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
J-10 is an untried airplane and even the PLAAF is cutting its intial requirement from 300 to 100 in favor of the flanker(according to the link you posted)
what is the unit price of a J-10?
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
And israeli electronics are on par and even advanced than US ones!
What’s your point??? 
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
i think chances of getting grippens is good because sweddish defnce induisrty is struggling as no one is buying gripenns from them . this means a serious threat to grippen ,,, if in the next election the government changes ( i cnt rememba wot party ) they are most likely to giv a green light for grippens
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If i am not mistaken, i have read it somewhere that the cost of a j-10 ranges from 25 to 30 million USD.
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
Even then I say it is better to invest in western aircrafts,since we will have the JF-17s to provide the bulk of our airforce.The tip of the spear should be some state of the art plane like Gripen or flankers.Regarding F-16 vs J-10 it will be a interesting comparison though.
What about the chinease flankers cant they just make copies of them and sell them to PAF? Then we wont need these expensive euro jets or the elusive falcons
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We don't even know the status of J-10 right now!
Seems like china is ordering flanker engines and is happy with their performance (esp the new MKK2s).
Lets not fantasize about a plane which future is not clear YET!
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
What is the status of pakistani SAMs do we still use the SA-2,Crotale supplemented with stingers and anza?
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
The Su-30's are formidable weapons platforms. So is the F-16, albeit a generation behind.
What is the realism of expecting an F-16 and an Su-30 going head-to-head in a dogfight? Shouldn't the discussion hinge around the missile systems used by both, and how capable they are? This is the BVR age, after all...
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Chinese Flankers are produced on license from Russia. The Chinese Airforce requires Russian approval to sell any and all equipment with Russian technology to Pakistan.
Bottom line: the Flankers are off limits.
There’s also problems with getting the engines…I think the Chinese actually use Russian-made engines, and don’t manufacture those locally.
With regards to the Euro-fighters…they’re just to damn expensive.
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
True but pak doesnt have the AIM-120 and other missiles do not have a very good BVR record like AIM-7 or the russian AAMs.They are useful in shredding the ranks of your opponents at long range no doubt.
Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs
after decades of making unofficial copies of MiGs,just our bad luck
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anybody know if the denel darter AAM is operational on PAF mirages?