F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs

F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs

BY SHAFIQ KHAN
CANADA

Pakistan’s United Bank Limited which employs
about 10,000 employees and has over 1000
branches in Pakistan and 50 abroad was sold
to a British and UAE consortium for $200.00
Million Dollars. Just imagine the amount of
people and their dependents making living
out of this huge banking network !
On the other hand, the entire network of
UBL worth equal to 4 (four) F-16 fighter planes.
Remember, Pakistan is getting 40-50.

17 years old wound of the people of Pakistan had not yet healed, when America happened to sprinkle some more salt by announcing to supply another batch of F-16s to Pakistan (who knows).

In September of 1989, plans were announced by Pakistan to acquire 60 more F-16A/B’s. A contract was signed in the same year under the Peace Gate IV Foreign Military Sales Programs, for the delivery of 60 F-16s for US $1.4 billion or approximately US $23 million a piece. By March of 1994, 11 of these planes had been built and were directly flown into the Sonoran desert where they joined the 11 Peace Gate III aircraft in storage. A further six aircraft were stored by the end of 1994, so that a total of 17 aircraft (7 F-16A’s and 10 F-16B’s) of the Peace Gate IV order are now stored. A stop-work order affected the remaining 43 planes of the Peace Gate IV contract.
The Brown amendment later eased the restrictions on weapon exports to Pakistan, but specifically excluded the F-16s from this release. Pakistan had already paid $685 million on the contract for the first 28 F-16s (11 Peace Gate III and 17 Peace Gate IV), and insisted on either having the planes it ordered delivered or getting its money back.

In March 1996, nine aircraft out of those which had already been manufactured for Pakistan, were sold to Indonesia. However, Indonesia cancelled this order on June 2nd, 1997. This ‘unexpected’ trouble with the Indonesian F-16 deal means a bigger problem to the Clinton administration both with respect to Pakistan and Indonesia. President Clinton had pledged to the Pakistan Prime Minister, Ms. Benazir Bhutto, that the money paid for the F-16s by Islamabad would be reimbursed if the equipment could not be delivered. In trying to come to terms with Islamabad’s demand that Washington would return the money, the Clinton administration went on to see if the planes could be sold to a third country and the proceeds transferred. Interested buyers included amongst others the Republic of China.

At the end of 1997, with chances of finding a buyer close to zero, it was decided to take the PAF F-16s out of flyable hold and into the Boneyard. The airframes were offered to the Philippine Air Force, in view of its modernization plans. However, lack of funds precluded this deal as well.

In May 1998, a rumor suggested that the 28 Pakistani AF F-16A/B aircraft stored at the AMARC could possibly be donated to the Air Force of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, as a part of the US led ‘Train & Equip’ program. As Pakistan is already taking part in this program (training Bosnian Army Anti-tank missile teams), this is a solution that could satisfy both sides in this long dispute. Again, this proved to be not viable.

After the detonation of five nuclear devices by India in May 1998, in a remote area close to its border with Pakistan, Washington feared that this might escalate the old border dispute between Pakistan and India to a full crisis. In order to keep Pakistan from responding to this challenge, US president Bill Clinton suggested that the 28 stored F-16s would be delivered after all, in batches of 1 or 2. However, the internal pressure on the government proved to strong and shortly after India’s demonstration, Pakistan responded by detonating an unknown number of nuclear devices.

Finally, on December 1st, 1998, the New Zealand. Government announced that it would lease-buy the 28 Pakistani F-16s stored at the AMARC. Three days later, the United States said they hoped for an ‘early and fair’ agreement on how to compensate Islamabad for its aborted purchase of US F-16 fighters. President Clinton briefed Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on US efforts to compensate Pakistan for the $658 million it paid for the 28 F-16s. US officials said the United States has already paid $157 million of this back to Islamabad, raising the money by selling aircraft components to other countries. New Zealand agreed to pay some $105 million over 10 years to lease the fighters, providing additional funds that could be used to give Pakistan some of its money back.

At the end of 1998, the United States announced it would pay Pakistan $326.9 million in cash and up to $140 million in other compensation to settle the eight-year dispute. The $140 million will include about $60 million in US white wheat that Pakistan will receive during the current US fiscal year, which began on October 1st. The remaining $80 million in compensation will be negotiated by the two sides. The F-16 issue has been a headache for Pakistan, which is grappling to repay millions of dollars on its $32 billion in foreign debt amid a hard currency drought caused by sanctions and the suspension of International Monetary Fund programs.

So this is the end of the earlier F-16s which virtually ended with daemonic deity in the name of American bully.

This is the reason that when last month American government announced to supply another batch of F-16s, the people of Pakistan did not demonstrate any celebration, enthusiasm and warmth because the earlier wound is still unhealed. The only government drummers were heralding the news knowing the embarrassment at the back of their head.

F-16s: Some Facts.

(1) The F-16 Fighting Falcon is a compact, multi-role fighter aircraft. It is highly maneuverable and has proven itself in air-to-air combat and air-to-surface attack. It provides a relatively low-cost, high-performance weapon system for the United States and allied nations.

(2) In an air combat role, the F-16’s maneuverability and combat radius (distance it can fly to enter air combat, stay, fight and return) exceed that of all potential threat fighter aircraft. It can locate targets in all weather conditions and detect low flying aircraft in radar ground clutter. In an air-to-surface role, the F-16 can fly more than 500 miles (860 kilometers), deliver its weapons with superior accuracy, defend itself against enemy aircraft, and return to its starting point. An all-weather capability allows it to accurately deliver ordnance during non-visual bombing conditions.

(3) In designing the F-16, advanced aerospace science and proven reliable systems from other aircraft such as the F-15 and F-111 were selected. These were combined to simplify the airplane and reduce its size, purchase price, maintenance costs and weight. The light weight of the fuselage is achieved without reducing its strength. With a full load of internal fuel, the F-16 can withstand up to nine G’s – nine times the force of gravity – which exceeds the capability of other current fighter aircraft.

(4) The F-16A, a single-seat model, first flew in December 1976. The first operational F-16A was delivered in January 1979 to the 388th Tactical Fighter Wing at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

(5) The F-16B, a two-seat model, has tandem cockpits that are about the same size as the one in the A model. Its bubble canopy extends to cover the second cockpit. To make room for the second cockpit, the forward fuselage fuel tank and avionics growth space were reduced. During training, the forward cockpit is used by a student pilot with an instructor pilot in the rear cockpit.

(6) All F-16s delivered since November 1981 have built-in structural and wiring provisions and systems architecture that permit expansion of the multi-role flexibility to perform precision strike, night attack and beyond-visual-range interception missions. This improvement program led to the F-16C and F-16D aircraft, which are the single- and two-place counterparts to the F-16A/B, and incorporate the latest cockpit control and display technology. All active units and many Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve units have converted to the F-16C/D.

(7) The F-16 was built under an unusual agreement creating a consortium between the United States and four NATO countries: Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway. These countries jointly produced with the United States an initial 348 F-16s for their air forces. Final airframe assembly lines were located in Belgium and the Netherlands. The consortium’s F-16s are assembled from components manufactured in all five countries. Belgium also provides final assembly of the F100 engine used in the European F-16s. Recently, Portugal joined the consortium. The long-term benefits of this program will be technology transfer among the nations producing the F-16, and a common-use aircraft for NATO nations. This program increases the supply and availability of repair parts in Europe and improves the F-16’s combat readiness.

(8) USAF F-16 multi-mission fighters were deployed to the Persian Gulf in 1991 in support of Operation Desert Storm, where more sorties were flown than with any other aircraft. These fighters were used to attack airfields, military production facilities, Scud missiles sites and a variety of other targets.

(9) Most recently in the Spring of 1999 during Operation Allied Force, USAF F-16 multi-mission fighters flew a variety of missions to include suppression of enemy air defense, offensive counter air, defensive counter air, close air support and forward air controller missions. Mission results were outstanding as these fighters destroyed radar sites, vehicles, tanks, MIGs and buildings.

F-16s In Today’s World.

It was a time when F-16 would be number one and highly maneuverable Fighting Falcon in the world. But after 30 years, the world has greatly changed and not only other fighter planes are flying on the sky but F-16 itself has gone far beyond what it was 30 years back. Today, more than 30 countries of the world own about 5000 F-16s. A large number of countries who placed orders for F-16s over the years have backed off with their commitments and cancelled their orders. For instance, Austria, Czech Republic, Hungary, Iran, New Zealand, South Africa and Spain.

F-16 And Indian Su-30MKI.

Su-30MKI is a long-range, high-endurance, heavy-class Air Dominance Fighter with multi mission capabilities. It is currently the most advanced version of Su-27 Flanker flying anywhere in the world. The Su-27, which was first produced in the Former Soviet Union starting 1982 is counted among the world’s best fighter aircraft even without any upgrades; but some of the technology and capability that the Su-30MKI boasts has absolutely no parallels across the world’s air forces. The Su-30MKI gives its operator, the Indian Air Force, a capability that will remain unmatched by all rivals for the foreseeable future.

The aircraft is fitted with a satellite navigation system (A-737 GPS compatible), which permits it to make flights in all weathers; day and night. The navigation complex comprises an inertial directional system (Totem) and short and long range radio navigation systems. It also has a laser attitude and a heading reference system. An automatic flight control system makes all phases of its flight automatic, including the combat employment of its weapons. Once the automatic flight control system receives information from the navigation system, it solves the route flight tasks - involving a flight over the programmed waypoints, the return to the landing airfield, making a pre-landing maneuver and the approach for landing down to an altitude of 60 meters, as well as uses the data supplied from the weapons control and radio guidance command systems to direct the aircraft to the target and accomplish the attack.

The IAF signed a US $1462 million (equivalent to Rs 5122 crore) deal with Sukhoi on 30 November 1996 for the delivery of 40 Su-30 aircraft and the associated equipment from the Irkutsk plant in phased manner, spread out over four years - from 1997 to 2000. The contract provided for setting up of a Service Support Centre in India which was to undertake extended second line repair tasks of aircraft, avionics, aero-engines and aggregates to avoid the need to dispatch them to the manufacturer.

Under this original contract, Su-30s would be delivered to the IAF in four batches:

The first batch (Su-30MK-I) of 8 aircraft would be delivered in 1997. These were ‘standard’ Su-30s (a development of the Su-27UB) and contained 100% (probably) Russian components and are primarily sir-superiority aircraft only. These fighters were first delivered to India at Lohegaon AFS in March 1997. They were inducted into the IAF on 11 June 1997 by the then Prime Minister, Inder Kumar Gujral. These planes are currently in service with IAF with serial nos SB001 to SB008 in the No. 24 Hunting Hawks squadron based at Lohegaon AFS.
Russia delivered the last 10 Su-30MKI fighters to India in December 2004, completing a contract for 50 of the modern fighter bombers. But this milestone does not mark the end of development for the SU-30MKI. The Su-30MKI ranks as one of the worlds most formidable tactical aircraft, and is one of the US Air Force’s justifications for procuring the expensive F/A-22 Raptor. The first eight Su-30Ks, which were not much different from standard Su-27UB aircraft, were delivered to India between March and June 1997, followed by 10 more in 1999 (tail numbers SB001 to SB018). The aircraft replaced MiG-21bis fighters in No 24 Squadron “Hunting Hawks” in Lohgaon, near Pune. The next 32 fighters were Su-30MKI versions, delivered in three batches and gradually upgraded to the full standard.

The Su-30MKI can carry 8,000 kg of stores on external stations . Typical missile armament includes combinations of R-27ER1 (AA-10) semi-active radar-guided air-to-air missiles (95 km range); R-77E active radar guided air-to-air missiles; and R-27R1 (60 km range), R-27ET1 (80 km range), R-27T1 (50 km range) passive IR air-to-air missiles; and R-73E (AA-11) short-range IR guided missiles. Up to 10 air-to-air missiles can be carried in various combinations. The aircraft has four underwing and two fuselage stations capable of carrying air-to-ground ordnance, including Kh-31P anti-radar missiles (110 km range), Kh-31A anti-ship missiles (70 km range), Kh-29L laser-guided or Kh-29T TV-guided air-to-ground missiles, and KAB-500L/Kr (laser/TV) guided bombs. The fuselage stations can also carry KAB-1500L/Kr bombs or Kh-59ME missiles, the latter using the APK-9 data link. Laser-guided weapons are used with the Lightning pod.

The war experts say that F-16 is vulnerable before Indian Su-30MKI.

War Materials Making Is A Very Lucrative Business For America:

The economic experts and people in general with a little common intelligence could easily understand that what America is trying to do by it’s power and bully on this planet is to win an economic war. America has reached to it’s present status of world’s only super power after defeating communism, witnessing the Soviet Union breaking up in 15 nations and the People Republic of China becoming more liberal and westernized by allowing western franchises to operate in China and it’s trade with the United States, Canada and other western countries.

As an employee has to work 20 or 26 days of the month in order to earn his pay-check, the same way, America has to count on every single day out of 365 days of the year to keep it’s superiority and maintain the standard of living of American people by hook or crook. America plans 100 years ahead considering what will be the world situation in the year 2100?

There are few things to remember:

(i) First of all, the American society and it’s system has reached to a saturation point where 100% of the citizens at their homes and offices have every single item of modern science and technology, from digital Camera to car and computer in their use.

(ii) Whatever American factories are producing are not only for the utilization of the American people but also for the export to the outside world to generate revenues.

(iii) In the United States, a greater portion of the commodities and merchandize are produced in the private sector, even F-16 Falcons, Hummer Jeeps, Missiles and Tanks are manufactured in the private sectors. But than the United States government has bound the manufacturers of armaments not to sale their armory without it’s permission, rather, the manufacturer produce the items and leave it to the disposal of the United States government.

(iv) For America, it is a very profiteering business. For instance, each F-16 plane costs $35.00 Million to $50.00 Million Dollars. In Pakistani Rupees it comes to 300 Crore.

An Illustration:

Pakistan’s United Bank Limited which employs about 10,000 employs and has over 1000 branches in Pakistan and 50 abroad was sold to a British and UAE consortium for $300.00 Million Dollars. Just imagine the amount of people and their dependents making living out of this huge network but in reality on the other hand, it is a price of 6 (six) F-16 fighter planes. And remember, Pakistan is getting 40-50.
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That’s why, when the news was released that President Bush has agreed to sale another batch of F-16s to Pakistan, this news was also aired that the manufacturers of these planes Lockheed Martin would employ 5000 employees for next few years in order to manufacture these planes for Pakistan!

It’s not that America is doing a favor to Pakistan by giving F-16 Falcons but it has just made a ‘business deal’ with Pakistan to sale it’s merchandise to make few more Billion Dollars. It’s just manufacturer and customer relationship!
Just use your common sense, whatever armaments, fighter planes, missiles, tanks, tarpedoes and hundreds and thousands or war-related items are being produced by the American companies, could not be used within America! America definitely needs markets like Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Saudi Arabia and other 30-50 countries to sale it’s merchandise and make money out of it…that’s what it is doing, no surprises!

We all agree that America is a huge nation and it’s economy is very strong. But on the other hand, American banks also Kangaroo trillions of Dollars from Arab States and plunderers of the third world countries who keep the booty in the American treasury for the safe haven. Plus, America itself is directly involved in making money by bullying the world. Whether a thief robs a street-walker at gunpoint or America plunders Iraq and Afghanistan by Missiles and Aircraft carriers, it is all the same. Think about the amount of destruction in Afghanistan and Iraq of wealth, human lives and hundreds of years old building of a nation. History, geography, social, cultural, educational and political life, everything has changed because of the American invasion and occupation.

Today, the oil price is $50.00 to $55.00 per barrel and experts say in next 2-3 years, it would double, touching $100.00 per barrel. Could you imagine, how hard that would be for poor and developing countries to buy this energy to run their machinery? Whether poor countries are thinking this or not but America does.

Conclusion!

The most unfortunate part of the whole scenario is that, while the life ahead, after 5-10 years, would be more difficult for poor and heavily populated countries like India and Pakistan, both countries are still busy spending a substantial portion of their nations’ gross income on armament build up!

Why don’t both countries understand a very simple and small thing that neither India could swallow Pakistan, nor Pakistan could swallow India…so why all this arm race which involves Billions of Dollars from both sides? The irony is that the mass population of both countries even do not have clean water to drink, health services, facilities of transportation, books and schools for their children and law and order situation is totally beyond control. This race of arm-build up is ‘unending’ and will go ‘nowhere’ except destruction and bringing more and more swamp of misery and poverty for both countries.

The interesting part of the entire situation is that, both countries continue to equip themselves in a fear that the other would attack its soil. This is just a myth, apologue, false fear and running behind water in the desert.

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Nice Article.
Source?

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I think it's his own. is that right Shafiq?

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At any rate, the article does hit on a truth. Too many Pakistanis have managed to delude themselves into thinking that the F-16 is some kind of superweapon that provides whoever has it with a miraculous advantage, whereas the truth is that it only marginally enhances the combat capability of whoever has it.

Whether Pakistan or India have F-16s will have minimal impact on the net balance of power.

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What do you mean by," my own". Defiitely, it’s my own.
I guess, it’s the first time, you have come across any of my writings. While as, Pakistani papers, discussion Forums and other Internet platforms are inundated by my writings.

SHAFIQ KHAN
CANADA

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Shafiq, i know it’s yours as i know you and your writings and presence around…thats why i confirmed it’s yours.
Do post more and also do visit and contribute to the Gupzine. would be nice having your articles there too. :k:

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lol.. inundated eh.. NicolJohn, you have been slacking man. why havent we been on gupshup exposed to Shafiq sahab’s inundation so far, or am i the only one on the ark?

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The Su-30MKI is like the most lethal fighter in service right now, though from next year planes like F/A-22 and Rafale will be ahead. Nonetheless, for Pakistan to counter the Su-30MKI, it has to get the F-16C/D Block-52+ or F-16E/F Block-60, they have dorsal fins that carry more ECM/EW equipment. The Block-60 is especially known for being the most advanced F-16 in service, and it is more advanced than USAF F-16s, the Block-60 is in service with UAE.

However, given that the U.S taxpayer is paying for Pakistan's F-16, the Block-60 has no chance, and the Block-52+ (which can match up to Su-30MKI as well) also doesn't stand that much of a chance either. The PAF is going to probably end up with the Block-52, the without the all important dorsal fin and built in fuel tanks. Then again, the Block-52 is better than anything the Indian Air Force operates except the MKI, so it is still a significant gap filler.

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Shafiq Khan :mad:

When you were getting your degree in English from Pano Akil, did your professors ever tell you PLEGERIZATION is a crime? Is that why Canadians beat the crap out of you? Do you feel even the slightest shame when you copy and paste word to word from other sites and present them as your words? For example, over half of your comments on F-16s are copied from http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=103

Is that how you got your worthless degrees by stealing other peoples’ work? You are Pathetic…

No wonder you have kicked out of many other forums… :eek:

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Iranian order was cancelled in the 1970s at that time F-16 was state of the art it was because of the revolution not because it was obsolete
Austria and New zealand due to financial reasons more than anything else(Austrians still fly the ancient Drakens last time I checked)
F-16 was never the best fighter in the world the F-15 was much better all respects and it entered service earlier.
Look down shoot down capability of F-16 was virtually useless without the AIM-120 and that was not common with the non-US airforces till the mid ninties(IDAF got its after 1997)

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Dear All,

In my view not only Jet but pilot skills also plays vital role.We have just see in Cope india 2004 and Cope India 05 where IAF emerge as sole winner.
Last year IAF thrashes USAF F-15 by 9:1 and this year also IAF emerge as sole winner when F-16 with awacs used by USAF.
see:
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/nov/17us.htm
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=335766
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=82154
http://www.topix.net/us/air-force
In front of camera (NDTV) USAF official confirmed that they are really stunned by IAF skills.:slight_smile:
Abhi

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But don’t you think we are overestimating F16 against flanker?

You say what has flanker faced (though in exercise..) but USAF hasn’t faced a well-armed airforce also (iraq had no flankers)..

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You are absolutely right flanker is a generation ahead of the F-16

You are also right about the USAF pounding small airforces like iraq is well and good I shudder to think how the F-16s in the late 80s would have fared against the massed MiG-23s and MiG-29s. not to mention the flankers

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i fink the best option for pakistan is to get a mixture of f 16 and grippens may be 50 f 16s and 30 grippens . The bulk of f 16s wolud provide "significant gap filler" as leopard said while grippens can do away with su 30mkis since they have a very small Rcs and have advanced avionics. there maneavouriblity is betta den f 16s and have advanced data links. They can make fine interceptors if they are provided with any good BVR missile and ereiye system.
Futhermore they can be used with f 16s to make a deadly team

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Grippens are too expensive to induct. We already have extensive infrastructure in place for F-16s and should maximise this.

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prices of grippen n f 16 are approximately same source http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/military_aircraft_prices.htm

i knw infratstructure costs alot but imagine the importance of gripens. after infrastructure has been developed , SAAbs planes colud be readily available… further more gripen deal colud open a very big source of arms supply and chances of such a deal proceeding are good

and how modern could f 16 could get … we are not getting block 60 even if we get them wot would be next??? however gripen is a newer plane and saab wants to provide and improve its specs upto next 30 years which means dat once the infrastructure hs been developed , you are sure of getting upgrades which keeps the plane up to date which might not be possible wid f 16s

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what a waste!

but I don't understand the point about the bank being sold and the price of the planes...what's the point? In one case you're selling something and buying something in case of the planes

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Since when Mr Khan became expert on defence equipment???

price comparison is worng, Bank 4rth or 5th largest bank but still a Pakistani Bank not a US one and plane is from US hence the Price Tag for technology and cost.

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Folks,

It is premature and somewhat irresponsible to form opinions about Coup India 05 by just reading hyper Indian media. The morons :clown: called F-15s ‘Tomcats’. As far as Cope India 04 goes please read the following:

http://owlstree.blogspot.com/

Cope India, the myth is busted - The simulated combat exercises between the US Air Force and the Indian Air Force

by Adnan Gill

Lately, the military pundits seemingly cannot get tired of expressing their surprise and shock over how Indian Air Force (IAF) topped the United States Air Force (USAF) during the most recent in the Cope India series of joint Indo-US military exercises. Reportedly, overwhelming air battle victories - about 90% - were awarded to IAF, as they achieved their objectives time and time again.

But what both gloating Indian and surprised American military analyst hesitate in telling the world is the well masked relevance in which Indian victories took place and how the Americans did not go to India to win? If today, both of these Air Forces would go against each other in anger, would India be able to embarrass the USAF like it did during the ‘Cope India, 04?’ Not at all.

Following is a brief history of what actually took place, its context, and the most likely American agenda for going to India.

In February 2004, supposedly the best of the best from United States Air Force (USAF) and Indian Air Force (IAF) took part in simulated air-to-air multi-bogey combat engagements over the skies of Gwalior, IAF base. These mock battles were part of an exercise named “Cope India, 04.”

Gwalior is an Indian airbase, about 150 mi. south of New Delhi. It is the home of the IAF’s Tactics Air Combat Development Establishment/operational training, testing and national-level exercises. The station is the only Indian air force electronic warfare range. Typically upgraded (reportedly equipped with a “gray-market” Bison radar and avionics upgrade) MiG-21 Fishbeds as fighter escorts and MiG-27 Floggers in strike roles operate out of this IAF establishment. It might be significant to highlight that the TACDE is the closest establishment that the IAF has to the USAF’s Fighter Weapons School at Nellis AFB. For the duration of exercise IAF’s Mirages 2000s, MiG-29s, Sukhoi Su-30s and an Antonov An-32 as a simulated AWACS all called Gwalior their home.

For their part, the US Air Force assets in the exercise included six F-15 aircraft and approximately 140 personnel from Elmendorf AFB, took part in the exercise.

If anything, the USAF military planners sitting in Pentagon used the exercise to their advantage. They wanted a close look at what the latest Russian technology had to offer, wanted to evaluate their own tactics honed against the non-western adversaries, and most importantly wanted to create a crises in the US congress to ensure uninterrupted congressional funding for the development and production of both F/A-22 (Raptors) and F-35 (Joint Strike Fighters). Expectedly, the results of Cope India shocked some in Pentagon who used the event to renew calls for modernizing the US fighter force with stealthy F/A-22s and F-35 Joint Strike Fighters.

After the conclusion of the exercise, the Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. John Jumper immediately went to Congress to guarantee the survival and prosperity of his favourite projects. While lobbying for the uninterrupted congressional funding for the development and production for F/A-22 and F-35 aircraft, the Air Force Chief told the Senate Appropriations defence subcommittee in March that the results of Cope India were “very revealing”. He successfully used Cope India as a justification that the extremely expensive F/A-22s are vital for the continued US air superiority.

In the halls of US Congress too the friends of US top brass like Rep. Duke Cunningham (R-CA) did their part in scaring the daylights out of rest of their colleagues to ensure F/A-22’s future. The Congressman told the House Appropriations defence subcommittee that the US F-15Cs were defeated more than 90 percent of the time in direct combat exercises against the IAF.

Some facts of the Cope India

At India’s request, manoeuvring limits as well as considerable weapons employment limits were put on the USAF. The US agreed to mock combat at 3-to-1 odds which were highly favourable for the IAF. Indians also requested USAF not to use the simulated long-range, radar-guided AIM-120 AMRAMS. The rules of exercise put severe limits on the AIM-120 capability. Its range was limited to a 20 nautical miles while keeping the target illuminated in attack missions and 18 nautical miles. defensive in defensive missions. It meant that the missile could not be simulated to be used as active seeking BVR missile.

In an interview with Aviation Week & Space Technology (10/04/2004), Maj. Mark A. Snowden, the 3rd Wing’s chief of air-to-air tactics and a participant in Cope India, revealed the root cause of beating USAF got from the Indians. He explained that none of the six 3rd Wing F-15Cs which had been to Singapore for another exercise were equipped with the newest long-range, active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars. USAF could have easily brought the AESA-equipped F-15Cs with them from Singapore, but the excuse given for not bringing them was that they didn’t want to bring along the additional maintenance package needed to support such F-15Cs.

The other reason Maj. Snowden attributed for the drubbing they got was the USAF handicap of manoeuvring limits as well as considerable weapons employment limits put on the request of Indians. “That’s what the Indians wanted to do,” Maj. Snowden explained. “That [handicap] really benefits a numerically superior force because you can’t whittle away some of their force at long range. They were simulating active missiles [including] AA-12s” (Aviation Week & Space Technology, 10/04/2004, page 50). This means, while the USAF could not use simulated long-range, radar-guided AIM-120 AMRAMS, the Indians had an overwhelming advantage of using the missiles with their integral on-board radar transmitter and didn’t depend on the launch aircraft’s radar after launch. The Indian Mirage 2000s also carried the long-range active MICA missiles.

Skeptics also believe that USAF fought the losing battles in attempts to convince Pentagon for the development of a new long-range air-to-air missile that would be able to complement the F-22’s radars with ability to find targets more than 120 nautical miles away. They also wanted to ensure the F-22’s air superiority fighter role by providing incentive to Pentagon to start rapid production of the new AIM-9X high-off-boresight launch capable missile, and its helmet-mounted cueing system. Experts doubt that the SU-30 MK would face difficulty shooting their BVR missiles from considerable distance against relatively small Radar Cross-Section (RCS) F-16 or F-18s and certainly against the stealthy F-22 or F-35. In fact, Pakistan Air Force’s F-16s with their smaller RCS would have had better chances of winning in Cope India.

Whatever the hidden agendas Americans might have had for fixing the outcome of the exercise, one thing is for sure, they didn’t return from India without gaining respect for their worthy foes, who they thought of underrated and ill-trained pilots. Americans went to the exercise with the belief that the IAF still used the Soviet-style tactics of ground-controlled interceptions. But returned with new respect and understanding that Indian pilots were quite capable of showing innovation and flexibility in their tactics. Americans were surprised that the Indians used more advanced tactics, which Maj. Snowden thought were developed “somewhat in a vacuum”.

Had the USAF gone to India to win, they would have sent ASEA equipped F-15Cs and fought without debilitating handicaps of manoeuvring limits as well as considerable weapons employment limits, which clearly favoured the numerically superior IAF. It could be argued, that in reality USAF went to India with the objectives to get a closer look at the latest Russian hardware, and wanted to evaluate their own tactics developed against the non-western adversaries, and most importantly wanted to guarantee uninterrupted governmental funding for the development and production of both F/A-22 and F-35.

Re: F-16 IS VULNERABLE BEFORE INDIAN Su-30MKIs

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