Akira Kurosawa is famous jap ! Try to Google..
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
though he was intelligent, but was he realistic? going by his analogy even putting evey killer behind a bar would mean that putting whole world behind a bar? use ur brain, not emotions.
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He is not only intelligent but also realistic.
Check his Legacy and achievements.
He is not mean what you think….
He says by pardon some one and makes realize his mistakes are higher punishment than death penalty.
Pardon him, Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), "Ceasar and Cleopatra"
Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.
Saint Francis of Assisi (1181 - 1226)
Love truth, and pardon error.
Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
I reluctantly back this punishment, because to uproot such an unfortunately deeply entrenched horrific phenomenon as acid attacks requires a punishment that will horrify its perpetrators and terrorise them into ceasing such actions.
People in Pakistan must be taught that commiting an acid attack on a woman will turn you into a repulsive freak when you get convicted. When such freaks go back to their villages and towns, they will be seen by other would-be acid attackers and the sight should, God willing, be off-putting enough to make anyone reconsider.
Jailing this man would not have a similar effect. He will just be removed from sight for a few years. Therefor, those back in his place of residence would not receive anywhere near as strong a message about what awaits those disgusting animals who would destroy a woman's life.
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*Originally posted by gpsy: *
He is not only intelligent but also realistic.
Check his Legacy and achievements.
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gpsy, all that "forgive", "spread love" can be done at "individual level" not at judicial level. Doing that on judicial level will only set wrong examples.
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This news was flashing in the banners of all major networks in the US, and then we Pakistanis claim that we are criticized harshly. It’s stupid judges like this one that are doing harm to Pakistan’s reputation.*
Madhanee, everyone has played a part in spreading bad reputation, judges are very small in number to do that.
This judgement is, as you said, unlikely to pass thru higher courts. He must be given harsh punishment though, may be he should be blinded thru medical procedures.
Maddie. Studies have shown that Punishment does nothing to stop crimes from would be criminals. The Scandinavian countries with the least amount of crime in the world do not have swift punishments, in fact a murderer gets off after serving 4 years, and a thief stays in for a couple of meals.
Madhanee, "economy" plays a major part in number of crimes committed in a country/state/city. Its not just law or not just one thing that 'll take care of crimes, but LAW does play a big role in restricting crimes. The lawlessness in Pakistan is a result of lack of justice or the price of unjustice (unjustice is way cheaper).
*Throwing acid in women face is not perceived as a Crime in the eyes of Pakistani society, so it will continue to happen until the stigma attached to equal gender rights is addressed. *
Criminals like these don't have an issue with "equal gender rights".
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
gpsy, all that "forgive", "spread love" can be done at "individual level" not at judicial level. Doing that on judicial level will only set wrong examples.
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“Judicial level” is nothing but derivative of Individual level and people. If we don’t have that attitude, you may take pleasure in watching punishment and throwing stones.
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**Throwing acid in women face is not perceived as a Crime in the eyes of Pakistani society, so it will continue to happen until the stigma attached to equal gender rights is addressed*.
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The cruel crimes against women in pakistan are not consider serious so they need to be adressed with stern punishments.
Everybody knows that this punishment can not be carried out in pakistan. it would be nullified by higher courts.
but the point is, how shall the victim be provided justice ?
I wonder why these filthy criminals get all the simpathy of media and human/women rights organizations, what about the victim. why nobody thinks of her misirable life ahead, why her life is ruined how will she get the justice. If the cirminal go to jail and serve a sentence of 2,3 years and comes out and roam freely then its is actually cruel joke with her.
I wonder why all the women activist who speak loud about unjustice with women in pakistan are silient. hypocracy or what ?
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*Originally posted by PyariCgudia: *
isn't the whole eye for an eye punishment more of an arab cultural thing, with a FEW punishments set aside as Islamic...?
Or is it eye for an eye, for any part of your body?
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next u'll call the whole of Islam as an arab cultural thing....
when will u learn to distinguish between Islam and Arabia????
anyway "Qisas" is meant to be in cases of murder as is stated in Quran 2:178....
the "eye for eye and tooth for tooth" was revealed for Bani Israel in Torah, as is told in Quran 5:45....
in my view, qisas is prescribed for Muslims only in a murder case....
and its not to be seens as cruelty or in any un-intelligent form of blinding the whole world....
Quran says....
Quran 2:179
In the law of Qisas there is (saving of) life to you O ye men of understanding! that ye may restrain yourselves.
so those who consider Qisas as 'unhuman' can very well be aware of rejecting the Quran and Allah's commands....
sorry, had to edit to change the verse number which was typed incorrectly....
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“Judicial level” is nothing but derivative of Individual level and people. If we don’t have that attitude, you may take pleasure in watching punishment and throwing stones.
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Mind you, there is always a provision in law if the victim/victim's family wants to pardon the criminal they can do it but if the victim wants to punish the criminal you suggest that court forgive him?
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
Mind you, there is always a provision in law if the victim/victim's family wants to pardon the criminal they can do it but if the victim wants to punish the criminal you suggest that court forgive him?
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As a victim you want to punish the criminal.( I will agree as a victim)
As a Judge and member of society with wider picture you want pluck some one eyes?
This is law of jungle, Judge is not punishing the criminal, he is creating atmosphere for criminals to commit crime more brutal (they will kill instead of making blind, so that there is no proof).
Punishment should be such a way; he should repent rest of his life.
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*Originally posted by gpsy: *
As a victim you want to punish the criminal.( I will agree as a victim)
As a Judge and member of society with wider picture you want pluck some one eyes?
This is law of jungle, Judge is not punishing the criminal, he is creating atmosphere for criminals to commit crime more brutal (they will kill instead of making blind, so that there is no proof).
Punishment should be such a way; he should repent rest of his life.
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^ What If a muslim strictly believes that the islamic laws of the 7th century arabia are valid for all eternity and cannot be reformed.
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*Originally posted by shawaiz: *
^ What If a muslim strictly believes that the islamic laws of the 7th century arabia are valid for all eternity and cannot be reformed.
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Don’t mix with religion with stupidity.
I think there are no strictly laws, laws are interpreted wrongly.
Every religion has some room to connect to present and future.
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*Originally posted by gpsy: *
Don’t mix with religion with stupidity.
I think there are no strictly laws, laws are interpreted wrongly.
Every religion has some room to connect to present and future.
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Dude, ever heard of Qisas and Diyat Act?
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*Originally posted by gpsy: *
Don’t mix with religion with stupidity.
I think there are no strictly laws, laws are interpreted wrongly.
Every religion has some room to connect to present and future.
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For your info, this "stupidity" is a religious law prescribed for some... for Jews. Next time you should be careful what you regard as "stupidity" etc.
How do YOU think the criminal would repent his life for committing such a crime? What about taking out his eyes and putting it into her? Would that suffice?
It is time to change! Qisas and Diyat Act.
People realize and society changes its norms.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
How do YOU think the criminal would repent his life for committing such a crime? What about taking out his eyes and putting it into her? Would that suffice?
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Dude, your Avatar seems to have gone through this procedure. I hope this Avatar has nothing to do with any passed event of your life. :-)
Even though the man deserves acid in his face......the way he treated his victim...
Point is... if the man gets the same treatment as his victim...how does that change anything?
The woman is still blinded.
Seems to me authorizes an acid wash as just punishment.
And it isn't.
The man should have to live out the remainder of his natural life behind bars without ever again experiencing a single taste of freedom.
On the other hand...
Would acidizing this perpetrator (and others of the same guild) that they will be treated in the same manner as those they harmed? Like..Do unto others?
Maybe.
But...governmental approval of the same horrific treatment justifys that kind of horrible violence against another human being. If allowed then when does it end? If ever?
No, repeal it.
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*Originally posted by gpsy: *
Don’t mix with religion with stupidity.
I think there are no strictly laws, laws are interpreted wrongly.
Every religion has some room to connect to present and future.
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Providing justice to a victim is stupidity ?????
Fear of punishment plays a major role in decreasing the crime rate.
I suggest maximum term of imprisonment to the culprit and all his property to be given to the victim.
That may not be the true justice but maximum allowed in legal terms
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Dude, your Avatar seems to have gone through this procedure. I hope this Avatar has nothing to do with any passed event of your life. :-)
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Dude, you don't have a face at all with your nick, I hope that is not the case in your life.
Shouldn't we discuss topic instead of messing around?