This is what Pakistani Islamists are doing. Killing their own army. No Hindu-Fundamentalist could ever imagine to achieve this, what our zealots have done to damage our country and damage our society.
If we do not as a collective society rise up against Islamists aka neo-Hindus, I am afraid, we will be soon resembling the war-infested Africans, or worse Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.
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Burqaposh: Please be careful in picking your words for thread titles. The terrorism we are facing is not "Islamic terror" rather extremist Islamist terrorism.
Burqaposh: Please be careful in picking your words for thread titles. The terrorism we are facing is not "Islamic terror" rather extremist Islamist terrorism.
Well said
OK.
The end result is that people are abusing and misusing our holy religion to commit murder and mayhem.
Pakistan is under attack by the forces who favor pan-Islamism and pan-Hinduism. Islamists are burning down Pakistan in order to show their "solidarity" with other Muslims. They are angry that Afghnistan got occupied. So by golly they'll make sure Pakistan doesn't survive either. This is great. Just great.
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The first step is to stop calling them 'Islamists'. You are giving them what they want, i.e. their desire to make you believe this is some sort of holy battle.
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This happened at the PWD colony. We used to own a little plot over there a long time ago and this area was pretty safe and secure, as it was in the outskirts of Pindi/Isloo.
OK.
The end result is that people are abusing and misusing our holy religion to commit murder and mayhem.
Pakistan is under attack by the forces who favor pan-Islamism and pan-Hinduism. Islamists are burning down Pakistan in order to show their "solidarity" with other Muslims. They are angry that Afghnistan got occupied. So by golly they'll make sure Pakistan doesn't survive either. This is great. Just great.
I don't believe they are burning because Afghanistan got occupied, but they are doing it because Pakistan supported the invasion then occupation AND denting the roots of their 'resistance', just thought to make it clear.
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^^ True
And dont forget these are the same "islamists extremists" who got us half of kashmir :) i hope u know that half of the kashmir wasnt won by our Army.
so stop playing the blame game, i know killing of any innocent is not allowed in islam and suicide bombing is haram but we gota check our actions aswell instead of just blaming em.
......And dont forget these are the same "islamists extremists" who got us half of kashmir ....
Ok so in 1947 according to you they got us half Kashmir (true on not is a secondary discussion), and that automatically gives them gad-given right to burn the full Pakistan?
What kind of logic is that? I hope you are joking and you didn't mean to write this primitive triabalistic rant.
.......... i know killing of any innocent is not allowed in islam and suicide bombing is haram but ......
What kind of double speak is that?????????? From one side a guy says suicide is haram haram kullo haram and then comes the big ugly but.....
Adding these ifs and butts is is worse than overtly supporting suicide bombings.
Ok so in 1947 according to you they got us half Kashmir (true on not is a secondary discussion), and that automatically gives them gad-given right to burn the full Pakistan?
What kind of logic is that? I hope you are joking and you didn't mean to write this primitive triabalistic rant.
What kind of double speak is that?????????? From one side a guy says suicide is haram haram kullo haram and then comes the big ugly but.....
Adding these ifs and butts is is worse than overtly supporting suicide bombings.
Bro i smell argumentative gesture here lol.
First of All "extremists" didn won kashmir for us in "1947".
and please i will really appreciate if u could copy paste something from my post that says that they have the right to burn my motherland :) stop assuming stuff. and its not "me" who says that they got us kashmir its a historical fact.
and now coming to the second part, u qouted my "but" but didn qoute wat i said after that. it shows u r biased. first of all i agreed with ehtasab that they are not attacking us cuz US occupied afghanistan. after that i said terrorism and suicide bombings are haram in islam BUT we should stop playing the blame game, look our own actions aswell, and see wat is trigering all this "bloody holy war". they are terrorists and we are saints, lol
.......i said terrorism and suicide bombings are haram in islam BUT we should stop playing the blame game, look our own actions aswell, and see wat is trigering all this "bloody holy war". they are terrorists and we are saints, lol
I now understand the core of your argument. You are saying, our support for NATO is the reason why tribals are killing our soldiers.
Correct?
There are a couple of reasons why many Pakistanis have bought into this "excuse" for tribal maddness, and thus they overtly or covertly support such heinous activities.
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Reason 1 why many in Pakistan side with extremists - And that is.
"utter lack of respect for the modern nation-state concept".**
Let me give you an example closer to home. Say if you live in Canada. And Canadian "nation state" decides to support USA in war in some African region. Say you have relatives living in Africa (not that you are an African). So you disagree with the policies of the Canadian nation state. Then how would you express your opposition? Well if you use modern concepts like news-media, assemblies, councils etc. you would be OK. But the day you pick up arms against your nation-state, you will immediately be subjected to state's juta. Mounties will lay seige of your compound and if you do not surrender, well you will be sent somewhere packing either in this world or the other world.
Remember nation-states make decisions, and the citizens cannot pick up arms against it.
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Reason 2 - why many in Pakistan side with extremists -
"They have poor memory".
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Sufi Mohammad started his militant campaign in the 1990s. That was well before Americans showed up in Afghanistan. Bajore, Swat and Malakand was subjected to Sharia brigade. Our military caught the Sufi but let the rest go back. That was our mistake. We should have hanged every major Jihadi in the town center so the people learn a lesson and do not rebel against the state. (This is what Chinese did to Tibetans, Russians to Chechens, and Americans to their southern rebels). We didn't and the Jihadis came back roaring.
If you didn't have poor memory, you would have blamed the presence of AlQaida in Pakistan as the main reason for the gang wars. But unfortunately the false propaganda against Pakistan will go on and on.
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^^^ now u r making some sense.
bhai i might have poor memory and i might have forgotten al-quaida's presence in pakistan but bhai ur memory is poorer than me cuz u totally forgot the history of Al-quaida.
Alquaida was developed by America with the help and support of pakistan (ofcourse we were fed money) against Russian invasion in the Zia ul haq tiime, we were die hard fans of al quaida/ Taliban, then benazir came (biggest dushman of zia ul haq) and even she continued her dushman's policy and al-qaida were given more importance and support than alqaida and even the journalists were convinced to support bin ladin and then the editor of Ausaf newspaper was officially sent to usama bin ladin for an interview of support, then nawaz shareef came and he continued the same and pakistan was the only country supporting taliban and flieghts flying from islamabad to under developed kabul airport and we also had asfaghnistan's embassy open in pakistan running by taliban (not al qaida) and the embassy was even open after american attack on afghanistan and after few weeks they flew away.
So basically talibans/ alquaida presence in pakistan was appreciated in pakistan and we were the only country FOR em, cuz of our personaly interests against india and for kashmir, and keep in mind that musharaf also continued the same policies for taliban/ alquaida for first 2.5 years of his rule. and then 9-11 came in to being and our policies took a 360 turn over night. and taliban felt back stabbed as we were in favour till we needed em and after that we backstabbed em.
so now i think i have revised ur memory and told em how when and why alqaida and taliban wre present in pakistan :)
if u think that i support taliban and alqaida, the answer is Hell no... period, someone is burning our country and killing innocent ppl including women and children how could i support such ignorance.... bhai my only disagreement is that if u wana blame, then blame alquaida and pakistan, not just alqaida, we both are at fault.
I now understand the core of your argument. You are saying, our support for NATO is the reason why tribals are killing our soldiers.
Correct?
There are a couple of reasons why many Pakistanis have bought into this "excuse" for tribal maddness, and thus they overtly or covertly support such heinous activities.
Reason 1 why many in Pakistan side with extremists - And that is.
"utter lack of respect for the modern nation-state concept".
Let me give you an example closer to home. Say if you live in Canada. And Canadian "nation state" decides to support USA in war in some African region. Say you have relatives living in Africa (not that you are an African). So you disagree with the policies of the Canadian nation state. Then how would you express your opposition? Well if you use modern concepts like news-media, assemblies, councils etc. you would be OK. But the day you pick up arms against your nation-state, you will immediately be subjected to state's juta. Mounties will lay seige of your compound and if you do not surrender, well you will be sent somewhere packing either in this world or the other world.
Remember nation-states make decisions, and the citizens cannot pick up arms against it.
There is difference here, if US is bombing people in Canada then I'm sure some (if not many) will join movement against US bombing.
This is what Pakistani Islamists are doing.
Its simple, most experts would tell you that they are now, one by one taking out all the people in the top brass who led operations against them. Remember braveheart, when Wallace goes and murders all the Scottish nobles (one after the other) who betrayed him?
This is what Pakistani Islamists are doing. Killing their own army. No Hindu-Fundamentalist could ever imagine to achieve this, what our zealots have done to damage our country and damage our society.
If we do not as a collective society rise up against Islamists aka neo-Hindus, I am afraid, we will be soon resembling the war-infested Africans, or worse Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.
Dude, who told you the killers were Islamists? Where is the proof and what is the source?
There is difference here, if US is bombing people in Canada then I'm sure some (if not many) will join movement against US bombing.
That is a "lose excuse". Using your example, US wouldn't have bombed Canada if Canadians were not conducting cross-borders raids to begin with.
Read the example again before pulling the gup-trigger bro!
The example was American attacking the "third" country and Canadian government supporting Americans.
Unfortunately you followed the Jihadi logic and assumed Canada was attacked and not a third country.
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^ But these jihadists were not bombing Pakistan when Iraq was bombed, were they?
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this is a propaganda thread to encourage pakistan 'to do more' in securing a civilwar for itself and all the hardships it entails.
this is a propaganda thread to encourage pakistan 'to do more' in securing a civilwar for itself and all the hardships it entails.
Yet again, a conspiracy theory spews out. Yet again blame is being so carefully shifted away from Jihadis. Wow!
Pakistan lost one of the finest officers, and people here are wrangling and shouting - conspiracy, conspiracy.
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^^totally ignored my post where i had to boggle ur memory??