Seriously to what extreme end people go? I have two or three friends who didn’t eat chicken for two years because their so called husbands haven’t confirmed where the chicken is coming from or how they cut it?One of our relatives mother died and the son didn’t come to his mother’s funeral because he was busy in raye wind doing jamat work.So it was more important and his sister saw in dream since he was so busy in right work that ALLAH granted his mother jannah and she was happy.Wallah alam but to me its a bit extreme.And one of my relatives told us that woman’s real hajj is considered when she performs hajj with her husband.What about all the mehrams their hajj is not a hajj if they do it with their sons or dad:vivo:
Anyways this thread is not open to offend maulvis but my question is that to what extend care is required?I know namaz,zakat, hajj and roza these are fard and major things to avoid eat halaal, avoid lies, no soud or alchohol and some major things but when you say this muslim is not good so I don’t wanna buy chicken from this one guy or this person is not coming to masjid to say his prayers how can I trust him he is telling a truth is a bit too much extreme.
Share your views on it how you will deal with such stuff if these people come into your lives and try to take hold of you oh you are not doing this thing you are not a muslim. Or your hajj is not proper because you didn’t do it with your husband .
I haven’t force by anyone yet regarding extreme following of religious rules. But do encounter some people who follow them to such extent i can’t ever write. One example is preaching “chopping off head” or “give kufar fatwa’s on daily basis’s” …
One of the reason we Muslims are in deep hole today, and their is no way out. We need Islamic Renaissance, that’s it !
I haven't force by anyone yet regarding extreme following of religious rules. But do encounter some people who follow them to such extent i can't ever write. One example is preaching "chopping off head" or "give kufar fatwa's on daily basis's" ...
One of the reason we Muslims are in deep hole today, and their is no way out. We need Islamic Renaissance, that's it !
Ofcourse they cannot force us but these kind of people are annoying.
Thank god i haven't come across such kookoos yet..and i hope i never do.
Lucky
A lot of those things is due to a lack of education . I do take exception from the chicken part of your paragraph- because I am one of those people that are very picky about halaal and haraam. Mostly because of these these ayahs and hadiths I’ve been taught at the masjids:
O Messengers, eat from the pure foods and work righteousness”
(Holy Quran 23:51)
O you who have believed, eat from the pure things which we have provided you” (Holy Quran 2:172)
O mankind, eat from whatever is on earth (that is) lawful and pure”
(Holy Quran 2:168)
So eat of that (meat) upon which Allah’s name has been mentioned, if you are believers in His verses” (Holy Quran 6:118)
“And do not eat that upon which the name of Allah has not been mentioned, for indeed it is a grave disobedience”. (Holy Quran 6:121)
” Allah’s Messenger PBUH said: Verily Allah is pure and He accepts only what is pure and indeed Allah has given those orders to the believers, which he has given to the Messengers. He has said, “O Messenger, eat from the pure foods and work righteous”.
He -also- has said: “O you who have believed, eat from the pure things which we have provided you.” Then (the Prophet PBUH) made mention of a man who undergoes a lengthy journey in a state that he is dishevelled and dusty. He spreads his hands towards the sky (calling), “O my lord, O my lord”, however his food is Haram, his drink is Haram, his clothes are Haram and he has been nourished with Haram! So how will his call be answered?” (Muslim)
S’ad RA relates: Allah’s messenger PBUH said “O S’ad purify your food (and as a result) you will become one who’s supplications are accepted. I swear by He in whose hands the soul of Muhammad PBUH lies, verily a servant (of Allah) tosses a Haram morsel in his stomach (due to which) no deed is accepted from him for 40 days” (Tabarani)
Abu Baker RA narrated that Allah’s Messenger PBUH said “That body will not enter Paradise which has been nourished with Haram” (Baihaqi)
Ka`b Ibn Ujrah relates that the Prophet of Allah (PBUH) said, “a body nourished with Haram will not enter Jannah”. (Tirmidhi)
Jabir RA reported, Allah’s Messenger PBUH said, “That flesh will not enter Paradise which has grown from Haram, and all that flesh which has grown from Haram, the fire (of hell) is more worthy of it.” (Ahmed, Darimi, Baihaqi)
Abu Hurayrah (RA) reports that the Prophet of Allah (PBUH) said, “a time will come upon the people wherein a man will not bother what he intakes; whether from Halal source or Haram.” (Bukhari)
I don’t really care what other people do, but yeah I do make 100% sure where my meat is coming from, and call food companies to make sure it deosn’t have any pork/non halaal meat ingredients. I don’t really mention it to many people, becaue most people are like you-- they give me a lecture on how i’m overdoing it- so i genearlly keep it to myself.
I agree with all the other things though- alot of that is because of lack of education in Islam . what you should do is find sources in the Quran and hadith that back your viewpoint- you will be educating yourself and others that way. Like for example the hajj thing: Tell them that is not true— quote Quran ayahs, hadiths that show that- It will help YOU AND YOUR FRIEND!
Another extreme example: Husband and wife live in an apartment building, wife cannot take off niqaab unless alll blinds and curtains are pulled. Oh yeah, and they live on the 16th floor.
as an example,because i think this is a bit extreme- so I would say, that Islam does not rqre such extremeness in the Purdah (ONLY if she INSISTED THAT I DO THE SAME). I would then substantiate my claim with a hadith:
Aisha said, "Asma, daughter of Abu Bakr (that is, Aisha’s sister), entered upon the Apostle of God (pbuh) wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of God turned his attention from her and said, "O Asma, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her except that she displays parts of her body except this and this," and he pointed to her face and hands. (Sunan Abi Dawud)
but if its just her and she's keeping it to herself, and that's her interpretantion and not pushing it on people, I wouldn't really care then . her life, her business.
It's not about extremes. To you it may sound extreme for for others it may be normal. Posting on GS is called an extreme too. :)
For some it's far more important to secure their eternal life than to live this temporary life. If you want to call THAT extreme, then go ahead. If a son is not attending his mother's janaza because of being in the path of Allah, that doesn't mean he didn't want to. It's for only the few who get to taste the sweetness of being in the path of Allah. Others like I can call it extreme or fairy tales.. Just remember in the times of our Rasoolullah (pbuh) they left their families and never came back until they died in the path of Allah, if we try to make even 1/100th of sacrifices they made, we are labeled extremists by this "civilized" society. But, we can't help it, these are the times that come before qiyamat, falsehood will be taken as truth and truth will be called lies. We see it today.. May Allah save us all.
some people with excessive use of alcohol become alcoholics, some become workoholics where as some with excessive use of religion become religiholics...
There is no such thing as excessive use of religion. Imam Muhammad was in Imam Abu Haneefa's dars when news came that his wife is in labor, then news came that she delivered, then news came that baby died. He got all three news while sitting in the Dars but did not leave the dars of his ustaad.
Was that extreme, I guess it was.
Oh, Imam allah ditta during his dars got the news that his cow broke her leg, he threw away his book and ran towards home crying and screaming..
who was Imam allah ditta you say? No one knows cause he never went to the extremes where history would remember him as the biggest scholar, muhaddis, faqeeh and mufassir.
People remember Imam Mauhammad even after 1300 years.
Nothing that you’ve mentioned seemed really extreme to me. You also put a lot of importance on eating halal so why are you making an issue about your friends not eating chicken due to a doubt of its source? And what’s with calling their husbands “so called husbands”?
As far people not trusting certain Muslims for their meat, they might have some reason behind it. A lot of my friends are also cautious about the sources of their meat.
I’ve never been called a non-muslim by anyone for not doing something. I tend to respect people who practice more strictly than I do.
There are so many people who are cautious of what they eat from all background.
There is someone I know who is very careful in eating meat at someone elses's home.
Whatever the reason is its that person's belief. Even though it had been difficult for me to go buy the meat from a 'particular meat place' for that person, I did it and informed that person about it. The person respected my respect for his choice and I see nothing wrong with doing that.
Personally i am sick and tired of people claiming how righteous they are and we are not. We have close immediate relatives who do not trust our source of meat because their mufti has not decalred it halal zabiha yet. Ofcourse we do our best to eat halal too, its not like we are purposedly going against the word of Allah, may Allah forbid.
Another relative told me how hair cuts for women are haram while their own daughter got a hair cut a couple of days before that. I guess they didnt see that.
In our case, my husband and i, if we have a doubt, we research it. If we cannot find an answer, we ask an aalim. My husband wasnt sure about the hair cut for women being allowed either (i think its a common misconception in Pakistan) so we asked the Sheikh at our masjid and he said as long as the woman wasnt showing off to na mahram men it was ok. He did go on and say shaping of the eyebrows wasnt ok
There are so many other things that i could write a whole book on it. But i dont want to upset myself over other people’s attitudes.
And whats wrong with accepting these people who are careful? Some are vegetarian, some like kosher and others pick and choose even different food items based on whatever they think is right.
People spend extra time, effort or money to feed their pets whatever food their pet like. But when it comes to other human being we run after them calling them show off pious people. We get annoyed and become judgemental?
Please consider that your right may be someone elses’s left when it comes to interpretation of religion and beliefs.
Ofcourse we do our best to eat halal too, its not like we are purposedly going against the word of Allah, may Allah forbid.
Let me be devil's advocate here Ira (no pun intended). What is the meaning of **we do our best to eat halal. ?
**Its like I say that I do my best not to murder anyone or do my best not to gamble. The concept of "doing our best" does not work when it comes to follow a law. Either one follows it or he/she is breaking it.
What i mean is that we eat what is halal zabiha too. We also make an effort to find out what is zabihah or not, then what makes one person the judge of it all? Its like ppl like this think that what they do is right and the whole world is wrong. Just because a mufti hasnt accredited a certain shop yet because they havent paid the money to the council to be included in it the list, makes otehrs point of view more correct?
FYI, i only eat zabihah halal too. My husband on the other hand thinks from his own research adn talking to aalims that its permissble to eat what is slaughtered by the People of the Book. He does not force me to follow him and i dont force him to follow my POV. But at home we always, always buy halal zabihah. Sometimes he even goes to a farm and slaughters by his own hand.
May Allah forgive me if i am wrong but i certainly do not agree with the notion of doubting other muslims. If a muslim tells me they are serving me halal zabihah, i will believe them, and not go and try to find out if they are truthful or not, unless i know for sure they lie. I gathered the same opinion from "The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam" by SHaikh Qaradawi.
And whats wrong with accepting these people who are careful? Some are vegetarian, some like kosher and others pick and choose even different food items based on whatever they think is right.
People spend extra time, effort or money to feed their pets whatever food their pet like. But when it comes to other human being we run after them calling them show off pious people. We get annoyed and become judgemental?
Please consider that your right may be someone elses's left when it comes to interpretation of religion and beliefs.
I am not against anyone's right to eat the best out tehre. What i am against is the holier-than-thou attitude and doubting other muslims.
If a muslim tells me they are serving me halal zabihah, i will believe them, and not go and try to find out if they are truthful or not, unless i know for sure they lie.
I have the same understanding and follow the same ruling.
