at the very root of the problem ARE foreign [non-Muslim / anti-Islamic] forces
in no way should my reaction be to even let an inch of hatred or ill feeling against SHIAS seep into my heart in retaliation to the attacks, even if a small group claiming they are shias rise up and say "we're responsible" .... b/c i KNOW that 99% of shias do NOT hate sunnis and 99% of sunnis do NOT hate shias. 99% of shias and sunnis want to exist in peaceful harmony and revere Islam.
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Do you have any proof for your consistent claim of "external/non-Muslim forces" being the "root" of the sectarian violence in Pakistan?
Who are these forces?
In the last 3 decades of sectarian violence, have the various Pakistani governments convicted any "external/Non-Muslim" masterminds?
If 99% of Sunnis do NOT hate Shia's as you claim, how did Siaph-e-Sahaba grow to be a big party in Pakistan? Why have their people been elected? Are "external/Non-Muslim" people behind these guys too?
If the articles I posted are not gospel, then can you post other articles or reports that corroborate what you say? Do you claim that the Mullahs in Quetta did not issue a fatwa? Are "external/Non-Muslim" people involved in making those people issue fatwas?
Do you have any proof for your consistent claim of "external/non-Muslim forces" being the "root" of the sectarian violence in Pakistan?
Who are these forces?
In the last 3 decades of sectarian violence, have the various Pakistani governments convicted any "external/Non-Muslim" masterminds?
If 99% of Sunnis do NOT hate Shia's as you claim, how did Siaph-e-Sahaba grow to be a big party in Pakistan? Why have their people been elected? Are "external/Non-Muslim" people behind these guys too?
If the articles I posted are not gospel, then can you post other articles or reports that corroborate what you say? Do you claim that the Mullahs in Quetta did not issue a fatwa? Are "external/Non-Muslim" people involved in making those people issue fatwas?
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Point 4 of yours doesnt make sense, since there r many countries where "extremist parties" grow fast and r still growin and some r even part of the Gov. Lets take Likud party (u consider them as pro palestinian?), (FDP, you consider them liberal?), (FPÖ you consider them as social?), etc etc....be it a democracy or not. The system doesnt change!
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*Originally posted by Sheraz CT: *
talwar is making alot of sense..its too bad an indian knows more about the current secterian situation in pakistan than the pakistanis themselves
antiobl..dont bring Ayuttallahs from qum in this discussion allright..i don't see any bomb blasts in sunni mosques or even wahabi mosques
the only people responsible for secretarian violance in pak are the wahabis of pakistan saudia and afghanistan
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Be honest shezad, he just touched your showed your weakness with this issue.
Sectarian issues r a big problem in Pakistan no doubt, but i have been living there and I still remember shia sunni mosques side by side and shia sunnis passing side by side, I never saw them making troubles.
At one side they had their "majlis" on the other side there were "urs"!
It's just those maroon who blast themselves for MONEY!
Point 4 of yours doesnt make sense, since there r many countries where "extremist parties" grow fast and r still growin and some r even part of the Gov. Lets take Likud party (u consider them as pro palestinian?), (FDP, you consider them liberal?), (FPÖ you consider them as social?), etc etc....be it a democracy or not. The system doesnt change!
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actually point 4 makes a lot of sense...sipah sahaba/lashker e jhangvi are behind these attacks on shias..yet these ppl are winning elections..who is voting for these animals??
Is Riaz Basra still alive? No offense, but there was one guy who openly called for killing all Shias, and was a Pakistani and claimed to be the greatest of all Muslims. He wasnt an external threat was he?
actually point 4 makes a lot of sense...sipah sahaba/lashker e jhangvi are behind these attacks on shias..yet these ppl are winning elections..who is voting for these animals??
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So I should consider the lukid party is behind the suicide bombings in Israel for whom we cheer?!!
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*Originally posted by Sheraz CT: *
talwar is making alot of sense..its too bad an indian knows more about the current secterian situation in pakistan than the pakistanis themselves
antiobl..dont bring Ayuttallahs from qum in this discussion allright..i don't see any bomb blasts in sunni mosques or even wahabi mosques
the only people responsible for secretarian violance in pak are the wahabis of pakistan saudia and afghanistan
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Well said Mr. Sheraz. This is because Pakistani society has been thoroughly brainwashed by the Army generals and its mullah supporters into believing the ridiculous notion of violence solves everything. Pakistan is suffering the results of its afghan policy and it has only itself to blame.
Even today, majority of Pakistanis are not willing to except the obvious truth. The majority of madrassas are nothing but breeding grounds for ignorant and intolerant extremists who can be easily persuaded to commit acts of terror by mullahs. Trying to justify this ground reality by diverting the issue or spreading the blame elsewhere is disingenuous and more so, dangerous for whatever is now left of Pakistan’s once bright future.
ali..i am not sure who is behind the suicide bombing in israel and i have no idea bout the lukid group u are talking about
i totally agree with talwar on this issue..these madrasahs were started by the harami zia ul haq..little kids were brainwashed and those little kids have grown up now and that is why u see so many attacks against the shias
Can you proof that? Well proof me that ss in pak is responsible for these things. I say the Indians r to be blamed!
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Evidence has been found after almost every such terrorist attack, linking SSP, LJ and other jehadi networks to these attacks. Leaflets newspaper, posters and other official publications of these organizations, including confessions, witness accounts, documents make it clear without a shadow of a doubt that they are not only supportive but actively involved in terrorism. I am a journalist and have covered these acts many times, including talking to police officials and the truth is out in the public record if you bother reading newspapers.
You say the Indians are to blame based on what evidence? When was the last time you heard of Indians calling Shias as kafirs and denouncing them as heretics? I hope you are not as dense as you appear on these forums.
LOL you are really funny...i dont wanna call u dumb..SS haramis cheekh cheekh ker keh rahay hain yes we did it..but ab bhi yakeen nahi kerna..shabaash
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IM not considering that its not them, im just suppose to think who is the master mind. One dumb ss man with a bomb under his sk and who screams Allah o akbhar before being teared into pieces and that in a mosque?!?!
Cmon!
As to SSP being responsible, how about the fact that the terrorists themselves openly claimed responsibility?
Do you think the fact that Sipah calls for declaring Shia as non-Muslims and the fact that Lashkar-e-Jhangvi is an offshoot of SSP has nothing to do with LeJ taking credit for these killings?
Did India educate Maulana Azam Tariq, Zia ur Rehman Farooqi etc?
Did Israel teach them to hate Shias and other minorities?
Did America ask them to go and train for killings?
Did Zimababwe give them weapons?
Did Japan give them money to preach their stuff?
If these people have any external linlks, it is to Saudi Arabia which just proves my point.
Lemme guess, you want to ignore these facts and “think independently”
