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IM not considering that its not them, im just suppose to think who is the master mind. One dumb ss man with a bomb under his sk and who screams Allah o akbhar before being teared into pieces and that in a mosque?!?!
Cmon!
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i dont believe india is behind it..i believe wahabis all over the world are behind it
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*Originally posted by Sadiqaan: *
Evidence has been found after almost every such terrorist attack, linking SSP, LJ and other jehadi networks to these attacks. Leaflets newspaper, posters and other official publications of these organizations, including confessions, witness accounts, documents make it clear without a shadow of a doubt that they are not only supportive but actively involved in terrorism. I am a journalist and have covered these acts many times, including talking to police officials and the truth is out in the public record if you bother reading newspapers.
You say the Indians are to blame based on what evidence? When was the last time you heard of Indians calling Shias as kafirs and denouncing them as heretics? I hope you are not as dense as you appear on these forums.
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Saying is not believing. Let me call my neighbour kafir, does that mean I go and run into their flat and bomb myself?
The Raw has had its hands in many bombings especially in KHI.
spock..riaz basra has been killed by the police
Tuesday, 14 May, 2002, 17:14 GMT 18:14 UK
Police kill Pakistan's most wanted man
Police in Pakistan say one of the country's most notorious sectarian extremists, Riaz Basra, has been shot dead.
They said he was killed along with three other militants during a raid on a village in Punjab province.
Riaz Basra was the founder of a militant Sunni Muslim group, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, held responsible for attacks on the minority Shia community and Iranians in Pakistan.
These attacks have caused hundreds of deaths.
Police say they arrived just as Riaz Basra and his heavily-armed accomplices were about to attack the home of a prominent Shia in Vehari district, 300 kms south of Lahore.
From the newsroom of the BBC World Service
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*Originally posted by Ali_R: *
Saying is not believing. Let me call my neighbour kafir, does that mean I go and run into their flat and bomb myself?
The Raw has had its hands in many bombings especially in KHI.
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How many RAW agents have been convicted for killings in Karachi?
Can you name some famous cases?
How about one famous case?
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*Originally posted by Sheraz CT: *
i dont believe india is behind it..i believe wahabis all over the world are behind it
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Isn't that a bit harsh? If next time a mosque of sunnis goes "ka bomb" does that mean i blame every shia including my family for this act of terror?
Here you go, maybe this will help but who knows if u will consider this as a valuable report or source:
BTW guys, in his just released book, Pakistan’s Drift Into Extremism: Allah, The Army, And America’s War On Terror, Hassan Abbas, former Pak govt official, reveals that while Iranian Consul General Sadiq Ganji was shot by notorious terrorist Riaz Basra, “the other person on the motorcycle with Basra conducting the Ganji murder operation was an ISI official named Athar"
If you can, get hold of that book for more interesting information of ISI role in sectarianism, revealed by a Pak govt insider.
Eyes wide open? Is this the contra on my source or just an ad for your book?
I remember this guy, Jamshed Khan. He used to post on Paknews forums with one line - “Some of the 100,000 RAW agents are to blame for this attack” :rotfl:
His sources are “Khalistan Times” and such.
Anyway, my point is that if RAW or Israel or some foreign entity was responsible for attacks against minorities in Pakistan, how come no one has been convicted of masterminding any attack so far?
We have seen scores of attacks every year, haven’t we?
Are Pakistani forces so incompetent?
Pakistani Forces or Pakistani Intelligence?
Its a political game, dear. ISI’s biggest fan is CIA now talk.
Im leading u to a death end. Expect to fall sooner or later!
Talwar, you are only interested in scoring points. Your own government blames everything from bombs to even headache suffered by your PM on ISI. Have you ever convicted any ISI officers?
Ehsan,
Sure, Indian govts have used ISI as a boogeyman for all types of attacks. Most of it is exaggeration and outright nonsense, I'd agree.
But India has convicted scores of Pak nationals for various attacks as well. In addition, masterminds of attacks like the Parliament attack, 99 Hijacking and 1993 Bombay blasts have been living in Pakistan, protected by the ISI, as admitted by Pakistani and Western media.
In contrast, not a single major attack in Pakistan has been credibly traced back to India. Just wild allegations and no follow ups.
Can you tell me of any sectarian attack traced back to India with credibility?
The temoral relationship of the rise in attacks with post Afghan war Indian influence in Afghanistan also suggests that its Indian Hand.I however do not reject the idea that some naive young people might have been used for such attacks by these agencies by using religion.
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The temoral relationship of the rise in attacks with post Afghan war Indian influence in Afghanistan also suggests that its Indian Hand.I however do not reject the idea that some naive young people might have been used for such attacks by these agencies by using religion.
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I guess you mean "temporal"
Anyway how about another temporal relationship. Post Afghan war, all the jihadi camps run by the ISI in Afghanistan had to be closed down, so you have a bunch of trained killers, taught to hate with lots of time on their hands. Previously they were used as the "Pakistani Taliban."
Who do they target now?
It was a typo,i'm sure u had few of those at some time.
Pakistani Taliban moslty were from border areas.If they were involved the attacks would have been in NWFP,they have lot shiites also,but,most attacks have occured in Punjab and Karachi.
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Saying is not believing. Let me call my neighbour kafir, does that mean I go and run into their flat and bomb myself?
The Raw has had its hands in many bombings especially in KHI.
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No, but these groups I've mentioned have called for the killing of the apostate Shias.
As for RAW, ISI has been involved in far more cases of terrorism in Pakistan and beyond.
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*Originally posted by Sadiqaan: *
No, but these groups I've mentioned have called for the killing of the apostate Shias.
As for RAW, ISI has been involved in far more cases of terrorism in Pakistan and beyond.
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This is not a football match where i count the score and I'm not a match referee. Ppl have been brutaly murdered today in sialkot ina MOSQUE! and its definately the hand writing of RAW.
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*Originally posted by Iconoclast: *
It was a typo,i'm sure u had few of those at some time.
Pakistani Taliban moslty were from border areas.If they were involved the attacks would have been in NWFP,they have lot shiites also,but,most attacks have occured in Punjab and Karachi.
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Sorry, did not meant to make fun of typos but just wanted clarification.
Your assertion that Pakistani Taliban were from border areas is not fully correct. Most Western and even Pakistani accounts of the Taliban years state that some of the bigger contingents were from Karachi (Binori madrassa being the main source) as well as the Rahimyar Khan area of Punjab, where Arab sheikhs funded radical groups.
IIRC, SSP volunteers, largely from Jhang and Karachi were the biggest perpetrators of attacks on Shia in Herat and Mazar-e-Sharif, including the infamous massacre at the Iranian consulate in Mazar.
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*Originally posted by Ali_R: *
This is not a football match where i count the score and I'm not a match referee. Ppl have been brutaly murdered today in sialkot ina MOSQUE! and its definately the hand writing of RAW.
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Suicide bombing in Iraq, and Israel is also hand writing of RAW or Jihadis?
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*Originally posted by Sadiqaan: *
Suicide bombing in Iraq, and Israel is also hand writing of RAW or Jihadis?
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No SSP!