hey i just wanna know wat does Quran says about if someone wants to leave Islam?what are u suppose to do with such people?kill them or leave them on their own
kill them
there's no such thing in quran
there's no such thing in quran
ok i didnt know i ve heard in sum muslim countries ex muslims get executed so i thought thats the punishment for them
hey i just wanna know wat does Quran says about if someone wants to leave Islam?what are u suppose to do with such people?kill them or leave them on their own
It is not in the Qur'an; it is a hadith. This can only be done if there is an Islamic State. There is none at the moment; hence, if so called Muslim countries do it then they must first establish an Islamic State, otherwise establishing half of the shari'ah is not Islam.
Moreover, Islamic scholars have unanimously agreed that the apostate should not be put to death immediately; rather he should be given sometime, asked to repent and must be called back to Islam kindly. This becomes even more important in the case of doubts and da'is (preacher to Islam) should help the person to resolve the doubts that the person has. However, if the person persists on apostasy then he should be put to death.
Imam ibn Qadaamah (May Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Mughni:The apostate should not be put to death until he has been asked to repent three times. This is the view of the majority of scholars, including ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Ata’, al-Nakhaii, Maalik, al-Thawri, al-Awzaa’i, Ishaaq and others. Because apostasy comes about because of doubt, and cannot be dispelled in an instant. Time should be allowed for the person to rethink the matter, and the best length of time is three days.
and Allah knows best
It is not in the Qur'an; it is a hadith. This can only be done if there is an Islamic State. There is none at the moment; hence, if so called Muslim countries do it then they must first establish an Islamic State, otherwise establishing half of the shari'ah is not Islam.
Moreover, Islamic scholars have unanimously agreed that the apostate should not be put to death immediately; rather he should be given sometime, asked to repent and must be called back to Islam kindly. This becomes even more important in the case of doubts and da'is (preacher to Islam) should help the person to resolve the doubts that the person has. However, if the person persists on apostasy then he should be put to death.
Imam ibn Qadaamah (May Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Mughni:The apostate should not be put to death until he has been asked to repent three times. This is the view of the majority of scholars, including ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Ata’, al-Nakhaii, Maalik, al-Thawri, al-Awzaa’i, Ishaaq and others. Because apostasy comes about because of doubt, and cannot be dispelled in an instant. Time should be allowed for the person to rethink the matter, and the best length of time is three days. and Allah knows best
This is in direct violation to the Declaration of Human Rights.
How incredibly sad. Killing someone for not believing what you do.
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I will try to do search..since I do not know the real scenario..but anyone knows when and how these kind of people were actually killed and at what context in the past? I mean during early days.
Its an important matter. It is more in the media among many confusions about islam and muslims than actually is. However, I remember many threads on it before.
It is not in the Qur'an; it is a hadith. This can only be done if there is an Islamic State. There is none at the moment; hence, if so called Muslim countries do it then they must first establish an Islamic State, otherwise establishing half of the shari'ah is not Islam.
Moreover, Islamic scholars have unanimously agreed that the apostate should not be put to death immediately; rather he should be given sometime, asked to repent and must be called back to Islam kindly. This becomes even more important in the case of doubts and da'is (preacher to Islam) should help the person to resolve the doubts that the person has. However, if the person persists on apostasy then he should be put to death.
Imam ibn Qadaamah (May Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Mughni: The apostate should not be put to death until he has been asked to repent three times. This is the view of the majority of scholars, including ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Ata’, al-Nakhaii, Maalik, al-Thawri, al-Awzaa’i, Ishaaq and others. Because apostasy comes about because of doubt, and cannot be dispelled in an instant. Time should be allowed for the person to rethink the matter, and the best length of time is three days. and Allah knows best
this is a gr8 response , although i am not sure about the 3 day window
i think some people have been given longer periods
This is in direct violation to the Declaration of Human Rights.
How incredibly sad. Killing someone for not believing what you do.
Unfortunately there have been millions of lives lost in the name of ideology and what onne feels is right and feels that others ideoloy is wrong. This happens not too long ago. and even during early times of humanity.
Muslims come no way near to be responsible of the loss of lives ocurred due to other reasons/ideologies.
hey i just wanna know wat does Quran says about if someone wants to leave Islam?what are u suppose to do with such people?kill them or leave them on their own
if somebody leaves Islam, why would they care about what Quran says?
And if somebody else leaves Islam. why should anyone else care?
either case, it doesn't matter what the Quran says
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if someone leaves Islam and then causes fitnah against muslims and is a threat to the muslims' security he shud be killled....
just like u'd want to kill any traitor....
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this is not at anyone's discretion to begin killing people. the same dear faith which people let got of, for weak imaan, will always remind them of itself.
there is no way that a true believing person will ever leave their faith that easily or due to ignorance.
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The second world war caused the death of how many millions of people?
I believe it was mostly between non muslims !!!!
if somebody leaves Islam, why would they care about what Quran says?
And if somebody else leaves Islam. why should anyone else care?
either case, it doesn't matter what the Quran says
no i care coz the person i know who says he does nt believe anymore is very dear to me i try convincing him but then some issues are really complicating
if someone leaves Islam and then causes fitnah against muslims and is a threat to the muslims' security he shud be killled....
just like u'd want to kill any traitor....
n wat wuld u call fitnah?if hes openly expressing that he isnt muslim anymore,n wat if hes not causing any problem?
It is not in the Qur'an; it is a hadith. This can only be done if there is an Islamic State. There is none at the moment; hence, if so called Muslim countries do it then they must first establish an Islamic State, otherwise establishing half of the shari'ah is not Islam.
Moreover, Islamic scholars have unanimously agreed that the apostate should not be put to death immediately; rather he should be given sometime, asked to repent and must be called back to Islam kindly. This becomes even more important in the case of doubts and da'is (preacher to Islam) should help the person to resolve the doubts that the person has. However, if the person persists on apostasy then he should be put to death.
Imam ibn Qadaamah (May Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Mughni: The apostate should not be put to death until he has been asked to repent three times. This is the view of the majority of scholars, including ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Ata’, al-Nakhaii, Maalik, al-Thawri, al-Awzaa’i, Ishaaq and others. Because apostasy comes about because of doubt, and cannot be dispelled in an instant. Time should be allowed for the person to rethink the matter, and the best length of time is three days. and Allah knows best
but they do get executed in iran n afghanistan.so ur saying theres no way out!
hey i just wanna know wat does Quran says about if someone wants to leave Islam?what are u suppose to do with such people?kill them or leave them on their own
These kind of people (E.g) Sulman Rushdi. will be treated worse then all Humans . They will in dept of Hell Fire
These kind of people (E.g) Sulman Rushdi. will be treated worse then all Humans . They will in dept of Hell Fire
that i know they will rott in hell but wat are we suppose to do with them in this world?
that i know they will rott in hell but wat are we suppose to do with them in this world?
Before we even begin to discuss this, we must see the context in which these kind of people are sentenced or have been sentenced.
If not causing any harm or damage to anyone then just leave these people alone.
Opposition with intent to cause harm is punishible everywhere.
Anyhow, the question and topic has been discussed a lot before.
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There are examples when munafiqeen (the people who were hiding that they were not actually muslims but acted like muslims..and did not cause other harm), despite it was known by muslims, no punishment was given to those people.
Murtids were those who kept changing their position..and had intent of causing harm to muslims by going back and forth in to opponent camps. These people were punished harshly.
Judging someone if that person is actually has intent to cause harm is difficult and punishing these people is also very difficult and sentence must not be given to anyone just because that person is no longer practicing muslim...or mentioning doubt about the faith.
In other words, just changing the faith and not causing damage is OK in my humble opinion.
Other logic:
We all know, openly admitting is different than keeping it to self.
A confessed criminal is treated differently than the one who does not.
This is in direct violation to the Declaration of Human Rights.
How incredibly sad. Killing someone for not believing what you do.
religious fanatics dont give a rat's ass about human rights. the killing of an apostate is not in quran, and is only "proven" through ahadiths. i doubt if those were the real sayings of the prophet.
I have not read the histoy but it probably started out like this: some caliph did not like their opposition. they could not kill them lawfully. the best way to kill someone without getting any objection from the people is to tell them that the person has violated religious laws. when it comes to religious things people dont think rationally. and so when a person is put to death because someone thinks he has become a kafir, or that he has torn away the pages of the Koran, no one objects.
ahadiths were later carved out to justify that since they could not temper with the Koran.