that i know they will rott in hell but wat are we suppose to do with them in this world?
well they kill them so that they wont miss the next train to hell.
Re: ex muslims
Samarali please post your question to a real Muslim Scholar and see what they say about it. Sometimes things like these can be greatly misinterpreted by people like us.:)
religious fanatics dont give a rat's ass about human rights. the killing of an apostate is not in quran, and is only "proven" through ahadiths. i doubt if those were the real sayings of the prophet. I have not read the histoy but it probably started out like this: some caliph did not like their opposition. they could not kill them lawfully. the best way to kill someone without getting any objection from the people is to tell them that the person has violated religious laws. when it comes to religious things people dont think rationally. and so when a person is put to death because someone thinks he has become a kafir, or that he has torn away the pages of the Koran, no one objects. ahadiths were later carved out to justify that since they could not temper with the Koran.
ur soo rite thats y i wanted to know wat sort of fitnah they are talking about,someone is already calling them criminals who confessed,seems like accuse them n just kill
Samarali please post your question to a real Muslim Scholar and see what they say about it. Sometimes things like these can be greatly misinterpreted by people like us.:)
yeah ur rite im just really really worried about this friend of mine.who i just cant convince.one of the things me n him argue is basic human rights in Islam he says u dont even have freedom to believe watever u want to they ll just execute you
oooh..samra..what happened 2 ur friend?..did he have a bad experience or negative episode in his life regarding mazab?
Re: ex muslims
we should throw them off the cliff, on their way down they should ask for help from their new god to see if he could do a better job.
ur soo rite thats y i wanted to know wat sort of fitnah they are talking about,someone is already calling them criminals who confessed,seems like accuse them n just kill
Read my post...if you referring to my post.
I did not say the peson is criminal just because the person changed the faith.
And I say read again to get the grasp of the topic before asking question.
religious fanatics dont give a rat's ass about human rights. the killing of an apostate is not in quran, and is only "proven" through ahadiths. i doubt if those were the real sayings of the prophet. I have not read the histoy but it probably started out like this: some caliph did not like their opposition. they could not kill them lawfully. the best way to kill someone without getting any objection from the people is to tell them that the person has violated religious laws. when it comes to religious things people dont think rationally. and so when a person is put to death because someone thinks he has become a kafir, or that he has torn away the pages of the Koran, no one objects. ahadiths were later carved out to justify that since they could not temper with the Koran.
Please read my post and word by word.
No one should be killed just for changing the beliefs.
You whole post is full of made up stories which you mentioned in other thread that you hate stories..so why make up stories now?
Do you have a screwed up belief or what?
Do you have any back up for the statement you made?
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yeah ur rite im just really really worried about this friend of mine.who i just cant convince.one of the things me n him argue is basic human rights in Islam he says u dont even have freedom to believe watever u want to they ll just execute you
Try posting a question to www.askimam.org
There is a time window when you can post a question everyday.
i totally agree with jaanaan’s post…:k:
Re: ex muslims
The punishment is death. But to carry out that punishment, there has to be an Islamic state where proper Shariah is followed. At this time this punishment is not valid in any country of the world.
who defines human rights? Do you know normally what happens when these so called “Muslims” leave Islam? I am saying so called “Muslims” b/c they never prayed salah in their whole life, maybe Eid, and then they say they are Muslims, which is complete nonsense to begin with. I mean, hello, you are already out of Islam.
It is to avoid all kinds of fitnah against Muslims and Islam; what if hypocrite just accept Islam and then leave to degrade Muslims & Islam and then start attacking Islam, like the so called “Muslim” apostate are doing now days.
Barak Allah fi ka, it is only the opinion of Imam Ibn Qudaamah (May Allah have mercy on him). It has been advised by the great scholars that they should be called back to Islam kindly and should given time to repent.
We know that there were people who left Islam during the time of Messenger of Allah 
but they were not put to death, rather they were given time and da’wah to come back to Islam.
Can you please tell us why is your friend leaving Islam, inna lilla? Instead of asking us about the rulings etc. shouldn’t you be asking how can you help him to come back to Islam? I’m not doubting your sincerity but you should be asking about the tips and stuff to invite the person back.
that’s not Islam, as already explained.
Why am I not surprised? A Qu’rani religious hater! I can say the same thing about so called human rights. Anyone can come up human rights, then convince people to follow them and then say “look that person is terrorist since he is violating the human rights, so let’s kill them”. Is that how your justice work? When you try to act an an rational thinker, at least don’t dig up your grave with your own hands.
exactly what I said before!
wat if u give them time n they still dont wanna come back then?n u think there is no Islamic state but all the states think they are so they will execute,for ur information this actually happen not only to ex muslims but also to non muslim u can just accuse them to tearing off Quran n boom thats it.it just happened recently they burn a hindu guy alive.i know its not in Islam but plz dont deny wat sort of janvar sum mulims are.n its common sense if he doesnt believe in it anymore he will desrespecte it in some way
.hes not gonna say its a wonderfull religion n im still leaving it
as far as my friend is concern i ve tried my best he was never a believer but now he say it openly.last arguement he said to me go n ask all the muslim u know if they wont tell u to kill me i ll believe wat ur saying.
ps i really think i shuld ask a scholar n ask the mod to close it
I just saw this thread
hey i just wanna know wat does Quran says about if someone wants to leave Islam?what are u suppose to do with such people?kill them or leave them on their own
The holy quran talks about them and the holy quran categorically rules out any worldly punishment for people ( or person) who express disbelief after accepting islam.
Most of the muslim scholars advocate killing apostate as a punishment which is totatly against the guidelines of holy quran.
Like gazzillion other things they were unable to understand the basic difference between
- A traitor of Islamic State
- An apostate of Islamic belief
They consider both as same. But quran clearly differenciate between them and rightly so. The punishment for a traitor could be death panelty or it may vary, as discussed in quran. The punishment for an insistant apostate is hell fire, as said by Allah in quran. But posibility of any worldy punishment is dismissed.
Why am I not surprised? A Qu'rani religious hater! I can say the same thing about so called human rights. Anyone can come up human rights, then convince people to follow them and then say "look that person is terrorist since he is violating the human rights, so let's kill them". Is that how your justice work? When you try to act an an rational thinker, at least don't dig up your grave with your own hands.
could you please elaborate what a Qurani religious hater is? so far as human rights are concerned, for most part they are the same around the world and in every culture and religion. but when it comes to judging people, you should judge them all with the same stick.
so no, my justice does not work in the way you have described. happy now?
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who defines human rights? Do you know normally what happens when these so called "Muslims" leave Islam? I am saying so called "Muslims" b/c they never prayed salah in their whole life, maybe Eid, and then they say they are Muslims, which is complete nonsense to begin with. I mean, hello, you are already out of Islam.
It is to avoid all kinds of fitnah against Muslims and Islam; *what if hypocrite just accept Islam and then leave to degrade Muslims & Islam and then start attacking Islam, like the so called "Muslim" apostate are doing now days. *
*Why am I not surprised? A Qu'rani religious hater! I can say the same thing about so called human rights. Anyone can come up human rights, then convince people to follow them and then say "look that person is terrorist since he is violating the human rights, so let's kill them". Is that how your justice work? When you try to act an an rational thinker, at least don't dig up your grave with your own hands. *
exactly what I said before!
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we should throw them off the cliff, on their way down they should ask for help from their new god to see if he could do a better job.
haha good one, a bit like what they used to do with women they thought were witches in the old days. Push 'em off a cliff with a broom and see if they can fly......mwahahahahahah
we should throw them off the cliff, on their way down they should ask for help from their new god to see if he could do a better job.
i dont think in that kind of a situation his old God would be able to do much either.