Every sci-fi nut's dream

Back when i was a sci-fi geek (okay, i still am - i used to have a crush on Data from Star Trek :o ), this was the stuff of my dreams… to find evidence of life on Mars. Obviously, they haven’t found life; according to NASA, they have found evidence that water used to exist. Whether that has created on Mars the conditions for actual life forms - remains an open-ended question.

Ten years ago i’d have been ecstatic. Today, i have to say - i hope, for the sake of any remaining living organisms on that planet, they manage to evade discovery by us. God only knows how we would colonize and exploit them should we discover anything else.

More signs of water found on Mars, BBC, 6 March 2004

A Mars rover has found further evidence that water once existed on the red planet, the US space agency Nasa says.

The fresh signs were discovered by the Nasa rover Spirit, after it bored a hole in volcanic rock. The announcement comes days after its twin, Opportunity - which is exploring the other side of Mars - revealed that rocks there had once been drenched.

The rovers landed in January, and are looking for signs that the planet may once have been able to sustain life. The latest discovery was made at Gusev’s crater. Scientists working with Spirit deduced that water had formed small holes and left mineral deposits. The water there would have been much less than at Opportunity’s site, Meridiani Planum, according to Nasa experts.

“It is by no means the gobs of water at Meridiani, but again it demonstrates that when rocks are made on Mars, fluids are involved,” said Nasa’s Ray Arvidson.

On Tuesday, Nasa said Opportunity had found proof that parts of the planet had in the past been covered in water. The evidence included the rocks’ physical appearance - which pointed to water modification. The rover’s instruments also detected high levels of sulphate salts which on Earth would normally form in water or, after formation, be highly altered by long exposures to water.

“The only way you can form such large concentrations of salt is to dissolve it in water and allow the water to evaporate,” mission scientist Dr Benton Clark said on Tuesday. In particular, Opportunity found jarosite, an iron sulphate mineral which suggests that an acid-rich lake or hot-spring environment might have existed at Meridiani Planum.

“We believe at this place on Mars for some period in time… this was a ground water environment that would have been suitable for life,” said Professor Steve Squyres, one of Nasa’s leading investigators.

“That doesn’t mean that life was there. We don’t know that,” he added.

didnt know you were a trekkie nadia.

wonder how long we have to wait till we actually find the buggering martians and make first contact with their subterranean world.

interesting stuff! :)

wow...pretty cool

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:hehe: @ data

there s a 00.1 % chance they find anny kind of living organzim in this solar system :slight_smile:

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I’m with you on that!

But while I’m a sci-fi nut/geek-in-general on these sorts of things, I really don’t see the point of going up there. 90% percent of the oceans are unexplored. Cancer still kills. Let’s figure out some things closer to home first, eh? [/rambling] (sorry :flower1: )

Why aliens are so dumb, Cant they come here to show their existance :hoonh:
Why we have explore new civilzations and to boldly go, where no one has gone before :smack:

Ravage, i’m a hardcore Trekkie. Watched some of the original 70s ones, almost ALL of the Next Generation series, some of the Enterprise, and a little of the Voyager. My favourite was the TNG series though…with Captain Jean-Luc Picard. i never missed those. Collected Star Wars comics as well…and used to fantasize about joining the official Star Trek fanclub so i could get all the pictures/badges, etc. i never did join the club though.

Praetextatus, What’s so funny about Data? :hoonh: :stuck_out_tongue: My other favourite character was Geordi, the one who wore the visor. And of course Captain Picard.

Spoon, i agree.

Code_Red, If they’re avoiding discovery by us, then i think they’re the smart ones :stuck_out_tongue:

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*, i'm a hardcore Trekkie. Watched some of the original 70s ones, almost ALL of the Next Generation series, some of the Enterprise, and a little of the Voyager. My favourite was the TNG series though...with Captain Jean-Luc Picard. i never missed those. Collected Star Wars comics as well...and used to fantasize about joining the official Star Trek fanclub so i could get all the pictures/badges, etc. i never did join the club though.

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exactly. my first exposure to trek was through tng and not the original series. i love tng and (almost) all the characters (hate.. HATE.. Riker.. and Tasha Ya (the annoying security officer). picard.. i agree is definitely the best captain in trek.

watching enterprise these days? its actually not that good.. though they had such a lot of potential. i still watch it though.. since after tng is the only series i like. i cant watch the original because i cannot.. cannot stand the makeup. theres women who have maskara going into their ears. theres the infuriating beep the telecom makes. voyager is irritating because the stories are good but not a single character is interesting. ds9 was okay.

any episodes worth remeniscing? Tapestry.. from TNG is an episode I thought was absolutely awesome.

LOL @ mascara....

Well. i agree with the makeup part; admittedly their state of technology also left much to be desired. It isn't exactly very impressive. Although i say that bearing in mind i'm not talking from the perspective of someone who first watched that show in the 70s; for them, it must have been revolutionary. For us, used to Matrix et al, it's boring. i like to watch it though because it's something different than what i'm used to... just to see how they created those types of shows back then.

hmm i didn't hate Tasha as much. Why did you hate her ? She got killed in one of the episodes, right? Riker...hmm his character was extremely arrogant i thought. Thought he was God's gift to women or something. Captain Picard, Data, and Geordi were my favourites - the first for his intelligence and patience, Data for his intelligence and absolute innocence about all things human, and Geordi for his humility and sincerity. Episode worth reminiscing over.... hmm... did you watch the Sherlock Holmes one?

Well, yes. The fact that it was, arguably, ages ahead of its time is something my bozo friend who loves the original cites often. but sadly, im in this time, and this age. i cannot appreciate an annoying whistle for a Com, just as I cannot stand to be able to see the string holding the (presumably) paper machier planet in place.

Characters I liked were Picard, Data and Worf. I used to hate Tasha because she was always so quixotically overzealous ainwayin may. At this late hour in the night I can think of atleast three episodes where the entire mission was in jeopardy because she was the head of security and either used judo on a newly arrived visitor or tried to attack an omnipotent being. And yeah, Riker i hated principally, Tasha bibi secondly. Every episode I was wishing either of these stops buggering my tng experience, and finally my prayers were answered.

though felt sorry for her. (yes shes killed by intelligent mud)

Sherlock Holmes wali .. I remember Data and Picard were Holmes/Watson (Watson/Holmes?).. and the story was decently done. Dont remember more though.. whats the mystery about? Since Im a particularly major Holmes nut it did strike a chord with me.

Tapestry was the episode where Picard goes back in time to change an event he regrets happening with the help of Q ... and then comes back to see how his whole life had taken a very different turn in consequence.

LOL @ your comments. Okay the string can get annoying, yes. i think Tasha was the chief security officer wasn't she ? That's why she had to do all that martial arts stuff :p

Sorry i have the worst memory, i don't remember what the Sherlock Holmes mystery was. All i remember is seeing Data dressed in that long overcoat tweed thingy that Holmes is said to have worn; and he had a pipe in his mouth. He did look kindof like how i picture Holmes, i think they were using the hologram. The setting - streets, accents, attire - were very, very typical of 19th century London.

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oh wow. Which event did Captain Picard want to change ?

The episodes with Q were also among some of my favourites because they were always psychologically riveting... You never knew what Q would be secretly upto in the next five minutes.

^I remember the Sherlock Episode…let’s see

Data & Geordi went roleplaying in the holodeck as Sherlock & Watson. Dr Beverly Crusher came along as well. Ship’s computer malfunctioned, and so holo deck’s door became visible to the hologram characters.

Sherlock’s arch nemesis Dr Moriarty(execuse my spelling) saw the doors and kidnapped Dr Beverly Crusher. They couldn’t locate the doctor because of the malfunction…so Picard joined Data & Geordi.

After finding some clues and following trails, they caught up to Moriarity and found the kidnapped doctor. Moriarty revealed that he had taken over ship’s control. So Picard and gang persuaded Moriraty to give up the controls after making him realize he was just a hologram or something.

I think that Moriarty fella came in another episode as well. Good stuff indeed :k:

Bandoosta.. now I remember the episode! Tho I was disappointed with Moriarity. They made such a powerful character into a nice jolly old man.. the kind that carries around sweets in their pockets and always wear three piece suits. disgusting. (am i remembering this right?)

Tasha was the security officer, yes :). enuff said, I know I can get carried away when it comes to people I dont like. soon enough I'll be using all sorts of plagues and animals and famine to get my point across.

Q is one of the greatest characters star trek ever came up with. which was later abused by both voyager and ds9 sadly.. but anyway..

Tapestry: The episode starts with Picard going into cardiac arrest because his artificial heart gets busted somehow.. He apparently dies and goes to "heaven" where Q is "god". funny scenes there. anyhow, Picard remenisces about his life and thinks about what he regrets the event being how as a student he had got into a ridiculous fight he couldnt possibly have won with two aliens.. standing up for a friend, and as a result had got a knife driven through his heart (thus getting him an artifiical heart for the rest of his life) .. and he wonders why.. as the knife went through him.. he was laughing (which is later worked into the episode very nicely). but anyway.. he thinks it was arrogant and impetuous of him to get into the fight and wants to change that.

think its the best scifi episode i've seen.

Bandoosta- You are getting several different holodeck episodes mixed up. The sherlock holmes one Nadia refers to is excellent - one of my absolute favorites.

It started off with Data & Geordi in the holodeck recreating one of the classic Sherlock holmes mysteries. However, Geordi quickly became disillusioned after seeing that Data clearly didn't get the point of a mystery because he knew the outcome before the story even got started, and hence there was no challenge.

Later, in 10-forward I believe, Geordi and Data were talking to a Dr. lady who had replaced Dr. Crusher on the show for a little while (I think I remember that the Dr. Crusher actress had a gig on broadway and left the show for short stint, maybe a dozen shows?). Anyway, Geordi was saying that he would try another time ONLY if Data agreed to a brand new mystery that would truly have to be solved. This Dr. Lady, who clearly underestimated our beloved android, didn't think that Data could solve the mystery because he was not capable of solving mysteries the way a real human could. In classic Data style (and in an English/Holmes accent), he accepted her challenge.

At that point (& this is key), as they were re-entering the holodeck, Geordi asked the ship's computer to program a mystery in the holmes style with the capacity to outsmart Data.

In the middle of the mystery the Dr. Lady was suddenly kidnapped by Dr. Holmes arch-enemy Moriarity. In making Holmes' nemesis smart enough to outhink Data, the computer had actually endowed him with "self-awareness" (which just so happens to be one of my favorite star trek buzz words/phrases along with "anomoly", "tachion particles", "hull integrity" and of course "warp core breach").

Super-smart Moriarity soon gained computer control, which is the fastest way in the known universe to get Capt Piccard really ticked off. With a hostage and control of the ship, Moriarity had the upper hand though and Piccard knew it. The command crew assembled to brainstorm for solutions. Wharf's (classic) idea to eliminate the threat by turning off the holodeck wouldn't work because they weren't sure what might happen to the doctor. There were also ethical implications because Moriarity was self-aware and could be considered a new life form (much in the way that Data is).

The diplomat in Piccard took over and he went to the holodeck to negotiate. Moriarity was asking to exist in the real world. Piccard was deeply sympathetic but explained to Moriarity that what he was asking for was impossible, and did so in a way that completely diffused the situation. Moriarity then released the doctor in good faith, and Piccard promised that Starfleet would reseach ways to grant Moriarity his wish.

Several years later there was a folow-on story where Moriarity was accidentally re-activated and after learning that he had been forgotten promptly proceeded to smack people around again. That's another great episode.

Ravage, that Tapestry episode you mention is also one of my favorites. The Aliens he fought were "naussigans", and the game they were playing was called Dom-Jot. I am such a freakin geek I even scare myself some times. You got the point of the story a bit wrong I think though. Piccard learns that he shouldn't regret the rash actions he's done in the past (like the fight), because taking those risks are essentially what made him the man he is today. If you remember, Q let him see what his life would have been like if he hadn't gotten in that fight and he was pretty much a loser (in that sense, this episode is much like the X-mas movie "it's a wonderful life").

^ beautiful eps Stu

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trekkkiess :smack:

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The diplomat in Piccard took over and he went to the holodeck to negotiate. Moriarity was asking to exist in the real world. Piccard was deeply sympathetic but explained to Moriarity that what he was asking for was impossible, and did so in a way that completely diffused the situation. Moriarity then released the doctor in good faith, and Piccard promised that Starfleet would reseach ways to grant Moriarity his wish.

Several years later there was a folow-on story where Moriarity was accidentally re-activated and after learning that he had been forgotten promptly proceeded to smack people around again. That's another great episode.

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im pretty sure i remember moriarity stepping out of the holodeck miffing everyone who said he couldnt do it.. what was the deal with that? and which episode was it in?

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Ravage, that Tapestry episode you mention is also one of my favorites. The Aliens he fought were "naussigans", and the game they were playing was called Dom-Jot. I am such a freakin geek I even scare myself some times. You got the point of the story a bit wrong I think though. Piccard learns that he shouldn't regret the rash actions he's done in the past (like the fight), because taking those risks are essentially what made him the man he is today. If you remember, Q let him see what his life would have been like if he hadn't gotten in that fight and he was pretty much a loser (in that sense, this episode is much like the X-mas movie "it's a wonderful life").
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:) hm. that was the point of the story in my head too.. though i must've misstated it somewhere. was trying to avoid saying this in the hope that someone would actually see the episode and thus miss a good think-out.

sortof also said to me that nature/fate/divinity works to make you in ways that you cannot understand, and everything about you in your life, no matter how unpleasant, makes you the unique person you are.

Bandoosta and Stu,

wooooooooooooooow that was awesome. i thoroughly enjoyed reading that :) i could almost picture the episode with the detailed, completely delightful descriptions. Stu i wasn't aware you were such a hard-core trekkie.

Nice thread solely thanks to those who shared some of their favourite Star Trek episodes :)

Tapestry is one of my all time favourites..so was skin of evil..the one with Tasha Yars death. Q episodes were always fun tho..especially the first time he introduces the Enterprise crew to the Borg!

Now if only someone could get rid of that Star Trek anomoly called Voyager :p