Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about drinking, whereupon he said: ** Every drink that causes intoxication is forbidden. **
reported by muslim
Book 023, Number 4956:
Islam prohibited this curse of drinking alcohol 1400 years ago. Today in societies where drinking is allowed… its responisble for violence in families, in some cases breaks up families, kills those who drive drunk and the innocents who are just in their way, is indirectly responible for increased number of rapes in western countries which needless to say results in unwanted pregnancies.
Thank god we the muslims are free of this social evil.
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Originally posted by mundyaa:
*Thank god we the muslims are free of this social evil. *
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Now you are confusing scripture with reality. Muslims are not "free of this social evil." MANY Muslims drink. To use the arguments that you were using concerning prostitution and Hinduism, this must mean that Islam somehow promotes drinking? After all, Muslims do it.
When have I not defended Islam, huh?
I just want answers, and most of the people here end up copying and pasting huge chunks of (confusing) information with no explanation whatsoever.
Anyways by questioning stuff, at least I'm making an effort to understand the religon better as opposed to blindly following it with no clue as to why I am doing it.
Farhana, maybe he was talking to Mundyaa, not you? You're right, you have every right to ask questions and bring up points of discussion! Please don't stop.
HOMID, relax.
If you want to prove your point, present the authentic source with statistical data.
Mentioning Hinduism and prostitution a few times was ok for debate, but few dozens times is offensive speculation and religious racism. So watch your 'aunthenticity'.
roman, my bad. i have provided the statistics regarding religious prostitutes in india. i can post them here again. there are 250,000 devdasies in karnatka and neighboring states alone.
i can dig up similar stats for the number of drunks. but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that the disease of drinking is not common in muslim countries. the social evils that branch off due to drinking do not exist in muslim countries.
a) devdasi is not meant to be prostitute. she may end up as one due to corruption. it may happen to jain sadhvi or christian nun as well. but that is not motive. there are faqirs who have sex with women who come for kid discreetly and get money from their husbands for that. will u blame it on religion.
b) due to widespread corruption, devdasis are outlawed. but prostitution continues. this is cuz, devdasi was not throwing them in prostitution, there were other factors.
Even what u have posted just now does not blame it on religion. It just says that the practice got corrupted.
This is what u posted.
The female dancers and singers attached to temples are generally referred to by the term 'Devadasis', which literally means 'female slaves of the deity'. They are not allowed to marry any mortal man and their dedication to temple service is considered as constituting a marriage with the deity. The cult of dedicating girls to temple is prevailing all over India in different forms and names, such as Maharis in Kerala, Natis in Assam, Muralis in Maharashtra, Bogams in Andhra Pradesh and Jogatis or Basavis in Karnataka state, Thevardiyar in Tamil Nadu.
"These servants of deities were said to be expert in music and dance in mediaeval period. As centuries passed, their services shifted from gods to earthly gods and lords. The women so dedicated to the deity as devadasis, usually lead a life of prostitutes with a religious sanction.
"According to an estimation, girls dedicated as devadasis to Yellamma, Hanuman and Khandoba temples in Maharashtra-Karnataka border areas number about 2.5 lakhs. Maximum number of these devadasis are the devotees of Yellamma of Saundathi in Belgaum district. Majority of them belong to lowest strata of the society.
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[This message has been edited by ZZ (edited June 04, 2000).]
we are all aware of the fact that india has a long way to go before they can curb the prostitution and the devdasi system. the number of women in this business are monumental.... and even if a woman isnt prostituting then getting her married to a temple is even a bigger nonsense.
now since the topic is on drinking alcohol, and more precisely drinking to get intoxicated.... u got any input on that? how does hinduism view this?
As far as what Hinduism thinks of drinking, u r an expert on hinduism on this forum. You tell us.
BTW, why re u worried only about Hindus? WHy not atheists, buddhists, jews, zorashtrians. only Hindus.
Of ur claim of Muslims and muslim countries being more honest or moral or both than others, I dont think u will be able to convince it to even pakistanis.
BTW, why re u worried only about Hindus? WHy not atheists, buddhists, jews, zorashtrians. only Hindus.
This is purely a non-moderator thought.
This goes back to all the posts in the past that had been written against Hindus and Muslims. Muslim members have done it, and so have Hindu members. I look at it as ridiculous religious bickering on both sides based on prejudice and hatred that exists between the two counterparts. And let's not get into who did more and who less. That's different discussion.
Seldom I see a post in here that looks at religion objectively to explore and implore the underlying dynamics and how it has effected human life and continues to do so. Frankly speaking, my criteria of a thought provoking post in religion forum is for the one which has least number of responses.
It's very easy to jump on a bandwagon to bash Islam or Hinduism, but it requires a lot more intellect and effort not to do so. This applies to both sides, whether it's repeatedly talking about honor killings in Pakistan or prostitution in India.
[This message has been edited by Roman (edited June 05, 2000).]
fair enough roman. i got carried away by reading this.
Muslims are not “free of this social evil.” MANY Muslims drink. <<
if we were to apply the same logic of providing statistics zaraatif doesnt have any to show either. so her post should have been the first one to be deleted. The correct statement would be that “SOME muslims drink”. A lot of christians and hindus drink alcohol to get a buzz and thats a fact. its easily available to them, there are no laws in place that discourage them… but slowly especially here in US more and more folks are starting the “no drinking alcohol” policy. Gone are the days when non-drinkers were looked down upon and labelled asocial and unfriendly.
zz, if u cant find any hindu scripture on it thats okay… maybe it doesnt exist.
We all do generalizations when it comes to debate or discussions, it's simply impossible to discuss something without such generalization. However, over a period of time the trend or pattern of these generalizations is more indictive of where somebody is coming from and people tend to form opinions about such generalizations.
This goes back to Rani's honor killings in Pakistan thread too which I criticized as well. If zara keeps saying that many Muslims drink and starts bringing it in even out of context discussion to put down Muslims then that will become offensive speculation.
I'm not even going to the whole history of your posts on religion forum, but even only the threads and arguments used by you repeatedly in past few days fall into that category according to my humanly judgement and hence the reason to ask you put forth a reliable source or stat so that others won't feel piqued by you based on their nationality and religion.
Thats a great hadith, thank you. Drinking is BAD, in excess it can cause serious physical and emotional injury and along with it comes all sorts of social ills.
In the Muslim world women are abused and raped and family violence is common. Yet alcohol does NOT play a role. My point is, there is no use blaming any one factor on these problems or pointing at one particular part of the world. Saying it isn't desirable and quoting a hadith is good enough. Offending peoples sensitivities by targetting a particular part of the world is not necessary.
We Muslims may be free from the social evil of drinking, but we compensate for it, by countless cultural practices that deny other human rights.