Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"

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Got this in an email so I cannot verify its authenticty. However what are your thoughts on this. One thing which is reflected in here is absolutely true, retired forces personnel always have a good job lined up for them.

“Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country”

Besides tens of thousands of Army Men working in government-owned airline and other government-owned industries here’s list of Army Officers in Civilian Govt. Departments and Government owned industries and civilian institutions of Pakistan including Universities. Pakistan should be called “Army Inc.”

General Pervez Musharraf (President of Pakistan)
Major General (Retd) Muhammad
Anwar (President of Azad Kashmir);
Lt Gen (Retd) Khalid Maqbool (Governor Punjab);
Commander Khalil (Governor NWFP);
Lt General (Retd) Javed Ashraf Qazi (Federal Education Minister);
Col (Retd) S.K. Tressler (Federal Minorities & Culture Minister);
Lt Gen. Hamid Javed (Chief Executive’s Chief of Staff);
Lt General Muneer Hafeez (Chief of NAB);
Major General Usman Shah (Deputy Chief of NAB);
Major General Shujaat Zameer (Deputy Chief of NAB);
Major General Abdul Jabbar Bhatti (Chief, Regional
Accountability Bureau, RAB,Punjab);
Air Vice Marshal Zakaullah (Chief of RAB NWFP);
Major General Tariq Bashir (Chief of RAB Sindh);
Major General Owais Mushtaq (Chief of RAB Balochistan) ;
Lt General (Retd) Hamid Nawaz (Secretary Defence);
Air Marshal (Retd) Zahid Anees (Secretary Defence Production);
Lt General (Retd) Saeedul Zafar (Secretary
Railways);
Major General (Retd) Fazal Ghafoor (Ambassador to North Korea);
Brigadier (Retd) Abdul Majeed Khan (Ambassador to Tajikistan);
Major General (Retd) Salimullah (Ambassador to UAE);
Major General (Retd) Muhammad Hassan Aqeel (Ambassador to Thailand);
Lt General (Retd) Asad Durrani (Ambassador to Saudi Arabia);
Vice Admiral (Retd) Shamoon Aslam Khan (Ambassador to Ukraine);
Air Marshal (Retd) Najeeb Akhtar (Ambassador to Brazil);
Major General Syed Mustafa Anwar Hussain (Ambassador to Indonesia);
Lt General (Retd) Muhammad Shafeeq (Ambassador to Bahrain);
Major General (Retd) Agha Masood Hassan (DG of Postal Services);
Major General Farrukh Javed (Chairman National Highway Authority);
Rear Admiral Ahmad Hayat (Chairman Karachi Port Trust);
Rear Admiral Sikandar Viqar Naqvi (Chairman Port Qasim Authority);
Vice Admiral Tauqir Hussain
Naqvi (Chairman National Shipping Corporation) ;
Major General (Retd) Muhammad Hassan (Chief of National Fertilizer Corporation) ;
A Lt. General (Chairman Pakistan Steel Mills);
Lt Colonel (Retd) Akbar Hussain (Export Processing Zone Authority);
Major General Shehzad Alam Malik (Chairman Pakistan Telecommunications Authority);
Air Vice Marshal Azhar Masood (Chairman National Telecommunications Authority);
Brigadier (Retd) Muhammad Saleem (Chairman NADRA);
Brigadier Mirza Babar Aziz (DG NADRA);
Brigadier (Retd) Muhammad Anwar Khan (DG NADRA NWFP);
Major General Raza Hussain (Chairman SUPARCO);
Major General Sabihuddin Bokhari (Surveyor General of Pakistan);
Brigadier Javed Iqbal Cheema (DG National Crisis Management Cell);
Air Marshal (Retd) Shafeeq Haider (Chairman Federal Public Service Commission);
Lt General Arshad Hussain (Member Federal
Public Service Commission);
Lt General (Retd) Jehangir Nasrullah (Chairman Punjab Public Service Commission);
Major General (Retd) Arshad Chaudhry (Member Punjab Public Service Commission);
Major General (Retd) Arshadullah Tarar (Member Punjab Public Service Commission);
Air Vice Marshal (Retd) Aliuddin (DG Civil Aviation Authority);
Air Vice Marshal (Retd) Arshad Saleem (Deputy DG Civil Aviation Authority);
Major General Zafar Abbas (DG Anti-Narcotics Force);
Major General Syed Haider Javed (DG National Logistics Cell);
Major General (Retd) Inayatullah Khan Niazi (DG Auqaf, the Deptt. of Historical Relics);
Major General Pervez Akmal (MD OGDC);
Brigadier (Retd) Rizvan Ashraf (General Manager OGDC);
Brigadier (Retd) Ishtiaq Ali Khan (MD Pakistan Mineral Development Authority);
Major General (Retd) Hamid Hassan Butt (Chairman Pakistan
Railways);
Lt General (Retd) Syed Shujaat Ali Khan (Rector Engineering University Lahore);
Lt General (Retd) Arshad Mehmood (Vice Chancellor Punjab University);
Air Vice Marshal (Retd) Sardar Khan (Vice Chancellor Engineering University Peshawar);
Captain (Retd) U.A.G. Isani (Vice Chancellor Islamabad University);
Lt General (Retd) Sardar Ali (DG National Institute of Public Administration) ;
Brigadier (Retd) Maqsoodul Hassan (DG Directorate of Education);
Brigadier Muhammad Ejaz (Home Secretary Punjab);
Brigadier Abdur Rehman (Director Health NWFP);
Brigadier Shadab (Secretary C&W Punjab)
Brigadier Anees (Chairman Punjab Privatisation Commission);
Colonel (Retd) Shahid Qureshi (DIG Sindh Telecommunications) ;
Colonel (Retd) Ghulam Hussain (Secretary S&GAD NWFP);
Brigadier Mukhtar (Home Secretary, Sindh);
Brigadier Zaheer Qadri (DG,
KDA, Sindh and not Secretary C&W NWFP);
Brigadier (Retd) Akhtar (Secretary to Governor Sindh);
Major General (Retd) Imtiaz (Chairman Pakistan Athletics Federation);
Brigadier Saulat Abbas (DG Pakistan Sports Board).
Brig. Khalid Javed, DG Projects Directorate, NADRA, Islamabad
Col Talmeez Abbas, DG Dataware Housing, NADRA, Islamabad
Maj Tahir M. Alvi DDG, Project Directorate, NADRA, Islambad
Brig Safdar Husain Awan is the Secy (C&W) NWFP Brig Qadri is DG KDA;
Brig Mohtarim is Home Secretary Sindh
Major General (Retd) Hashmi, Registrar, Pakistan Engineering Council;
Major General (Retd) Anis Bajwa, Chairman PTDC;
Major Genera (Retd) Asif Riaz Bokhari, NRB;
Brig Muhammad Toseef Uz Zaman Khan, Civil Aviation Authority;
Brig Saeed Ahmed Malik, WAPDA Head Qtrs Lahore;
Brig Muhammad Iqbal, WAPDA HQ Lahore;
Brig Mushtaq Ahmed, WAPDA HQ,
Lahore;
Brig Khalid Sohail Cheema, DG Pak PWD;
Brig Shamshad Khan, GM NWFP NHA;
Brig (Retd) Zareen Khan, Project Incharge Ghazi Brotha Dam WAPDA;
Brig (Retd) Mukhtar Ahmed Tariq, GM Admin OGDC;
Brig (Retd) Muhammad Hamayoun Khan, GM Procurement OGDC;
Brig (Retd) Sardar Javed Ashraf, MD KW&SB;
Brig (Retd) Nisar, IG Prisons (Sindh);
Brig (Retd) Zafar Ahmed Malik, Karachi Building & Control Authority;
Brig (Retd) Aftab Ahmed, DG PHA;
Brig (Retd) Dilbar Husain Naqvi, MD National Construction Company;
Colonel Rauf, IG Prisons, NWFP;
Colonel Asif Jamal, MD, Multan Development Authority;
Colonel (Retd) Najam ul Hasan Malik, TMO Rawalpindi;
Colonel (Retd) Hafiz Abdur Rehman Malik, MD WASA, Rawalpindi;
Colonel (Retd) Kanwar Muhammad Sherbaz Khan, GM CS&E OGDC;
Lt Col Muhammad Azim, GM NHA;
LT Col Naqeeb Amjad Malik, Manager
CS&E OGDC;
Lt Col (Retd) Aziz ul Haque Mirza, Member (Operations) NHA;
Lt Col (Retd) Hafeezullah Awan, MD WASA Quetta.
Major General (Retd) Shujaat Ali Khan, Ambassador to Morocco;
Major General (Retd) Badruddin, Ambassador to Brunei;
Vice Admiral(Retd) Khalid Mir, Ambassador to Lebanon;
Brig (Retd) Muhammad Nisar, Ambassador to Argentina;
Brig. Sikandar Ali, Director, Anti Narctics Force;
Brig (R) Saeed Ahmad Rafi, Director General, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (He was inducted by Gen Musharraf into Foreign Service as incharge of overseas polling for Presidential Referendum in April);
Brig (R) Mian Khalid Habib, Chief of Protocol, M/o foreign Affirs;
Brig Tipu Sultan, Director General, Ministry of Foreign Affairs;
Group Capt (R) Khalid Aziz Babar, Director General, M/o Foreign Affairs;
Naval Lt (R) Ghalib Iqbal, Consul General, Toronto
(son-in-law of former Air Chief Anwar Shamim) {Anwer Shamim is a Quadiyani and had served General Zia {Ameer ul Momineen as per Jamat-e-Islami} , Anwer Shamim has huge ranches in California, USA, which he
and his brother in Law Khursheed Anwer Mirza made through trafficking Narcotics during so-called Afghan Jihad {the Time Weekly that carried this news was banned in Pakistan in 80s}.
Naval Lt (R) Qasim Raza Mutaqqi, Counsellor, Rome;
Col (R) Salik Nawaz, Deputy Chief of Protocol, M/o Foreign Affairs;
Capt (R) Masood Akhtar, Deputy Chief of Protocol, M/o Foreign Affairs;
Capt (R) Shaukat Muqaddam, Counsellor, Dublin;
Capt (R) Zaighamuddin Azam Khan, Counsellor, Berlin;
Capt (R) Sohail Ittehad Hussain, Director General,M/o Foreign Affairs;
Capt (R) Khalid Durrani, Director, M/o Foreign Affairs.
General ® Jahangeer Karamat, Ambassador of Pakistan in
USA.
Brigadier ® Ejas Shah, Director General Intelligence Bureau.

The above list was of 2002. In 2003, as many as 104 serving and retired Lieutenant Generals, Major Generals or equivalent ranks from other services are among the 1,027 military officers inducted on civilian posts in different ministries, divisions and Pakistani missions abroad after Oct 12, 1999 military takeover. The number of army Brigadiers or their equivalent ranks from the Navy and Air Force is even higher at 160, according to an annexure placed before the Senate library.

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Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"

Tons of retired US military folks in civil institutions and govt as well.
do you expect retired military personnel to just sit at home and do nothing?

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Well there's a thought.

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Any list on how these posts were taken by people in BB and NS times and Political alliences of those people?????

Student and Teacher..
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Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"

This list has been doing the rounds online, it's based on a formal 2003 GoP statement in repsonse to a question in the senate.

It's a bit out of date and has bits added to it about Qadiaini's etc, however the names are mostly accurate with a few minor changes increasing the number of officers on the list a bit.

Both BB and NS used or were advised to use military officers in the gov but nowhere near on the scale that exists now. As the Hamood ur Rahman report stated, one of the key factors in the events of 1971 was the excessive involvement of military officers in the affairs of govt, which led to a general drop in fighting ability.

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So were there any reasons stated why it was thought military officers are more adept for such positions.

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Zakks comments / questions are more realistic.

However the title of this thread gives an illusion that other countries do not have any retired military officers on civilian posts.

I guess poor USresident doesn't get much time off from shaking like a cow, otherwise he would have known that retired and active duty US military officers are serving in 100,000's of places.

US military in fact is not just serving USA, they hold 1000's of posts in Iraq and Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Dubai and you name it.

However like an old ma-ee, USresident will start these threads out of pure malice for Pak army. Shame Shame!

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The difference is "hired" vs "posted" :)

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Little from A, little from B.

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With Armies, there is no difference between "Hired" vs. "Posted". They are all invariably considered good managers and team players.

Pakistanis (MQM, MMA, PPP, TI Joe, and every tom dick and harry) begged army to come in and "manage Pakistan".

I guess sometimes we forget things even when they are only 8 years old.

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You are forgetting something in your love of army that the difference pointed is for the 'civilian' institutes. Some political parties might have invited to remove the last government but I am sure nobody asked them to place army in every bit of institute, not replace all Tom, Dick and Harry of every single institue.

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Perhaps if you would improve your reading comprehension you would have understood my reason for opening this thread. I wanted to know peoples thoughts about it because I had none of my own. Agar aap ko budhi maaee nazar aati hai ya naachta hoya bael, ye aap kay liyay muzir hai meray liyay nahin.

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so where should pak get qualified personnel from? bhutto, through nationalisation destroyed private sector and then him and other politicians destroyed the public sector by stuffing public sector organisations with political cronies. since the 1970's there has been huge brain drain from pak and because of low wages, people working for multi-nationals dont like to work for government.

i know if i was hiring for a senior level position, i would prefer an army person over someone from institutions like wapda, kesc, pia etc.

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I agree with this and have seen from time to time. There just is not enough incentive and meritous opportunity to utilize the good and educated people in Pakistan, which ofcourse ends up in multi-nationals and other countries.

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Mashallah.

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Why isn't Gen. Rabrri Khan on the list?

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Bhai Mashallah aik taraf, it is also a symptom that no other institution in Pakistan is producing leadership material and if it is they certainly are not opting to serve Pakistan.

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kyun bay? phir jhoot. yeh MMA waalon kay madaaress say nikal anheen rahay naujawans with top leadership qualities.

I mean it takes a lot of charisma and leadership, an action oriented mindset etc to burn KFCs and people's cars, rip posters etc.

please dont ignore them.

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Dekho saray aam fraud nahin kiya karo ... koi mullah pakar kar le jai ga or tehkhanay mein band kar ke halwa pakwai ga saari zindagi ...

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yaar ab dupatta hota toh ussay daant mein daba kar sharmana ki acting bhi kar laita, tie chalay gi? khi khi khi khi can i request a see thru burqa?

kher back to the topic.

I have said it many times before, I have no problems with suicide bombers as slong as they blow themselves up in the privacy of their own bathrooms..well no thats where they blow others. okay in the privacy of their nearest deserted middle of nowhere spot.