Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"
so where should pak get qualified personnel from? bhutto, through nationalisation destroyed private sector and then him and other politicians destroyed the public sector by stuffing public sector organisations with political cronies. since the 1970's there has been huge brain drain from pak and because of low wages, people working for multi-nationals dont like to work for government.
i know if i was hiring for a senior level position, i would prefer an army person over someone from institutions like wapda, kesc, pia etc.
This is a classic copout, while you may prefer an Army person to run WAPDA, KESC and PIA as they have over the last 10 years. That doesn't mean a good performance, while it does not mean they are incapable of running things well (Nur Khan and Asghar Khans work in PIA are well known), however Pakistans recent sucessful turn arounds of state owned industries in the last 10 years have been almost totally by civilians who were well paid and left alone without interference.
Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"
This is a 'them' & 'us' situation.
Obviously the military does not trust civilians. Also it gives the military complete control of all facets of the country's institutions.
My question would be: have the military personnel actually improved these institutions or brought about further alienation between the Military & the civilian employees.
Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"
What many don't see is that these retired army men get to draw double pension and perks from both the military and the cushy civilian post they get appointed to. In the US, UK etc. military men cannot draw double perks. In contrast a CSP person deputed to a place like WAPDA can draw only one salary and pension.
That is where the key difference lies. Musharraf has appointed a lot of Generals to key posts to buy off their loyalty and also to tell up and coming Colonels and Brigadiers that if they stay with the program, they will get to make it rich double quick.
Now, if a private company chooses to hire Generals due to their skills, then we should not have a problem. However, if our own taxpayer money is used to pay many Generals twice, then we have a serious problem of organized loot.
Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"
well said.
Lost East Pakistan
Lost Siachin
Lost Kargil
Lost Kashmir - there's no hope of getting any leverage from India.
Now about to lose tribal areas.
Wait you forgot, they have conquered LAL MASJID, and MADRASSAHS.
They have killed 1000+ their civilians. Thats a big accomplisment for a army of 600000.
Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"
My question would be: have the military personnel actually improved these institutions or brought about further alienation between the Military & the civilian employees.
I haven't seen any, may be pro-Busharraf/pro-"army" people can explain better.
Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"
Wait you forgot, they have conquered LAL MASJID, and MADRASSAHS.
They have killed 1000+ their civilians. Thats a big accomplisment for a army of 600000.
I think still better record than lal masjid which conquered cd shops and aunty shamim.
Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"
This is a 'them' & 'us' situation.
Obviously the military does not trust civilians. Also it gives the military complete control of all facets of the country's institutions.
My question would be: have the military personnel actually improved these institutions or brought about further alienation between the Military & the civilian employees.
Let me give you a hint, Our civilian govts are so useless they can't even collect utility bills... Last time they went to khakis for help the rest you can figure youeself.
Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"
Let me give you a hint, Our civilian govts are so useless they can't even collect utility bills... Last time they went to khakis for help the rest you can figure youeself.
Point being?Army is there to serve the people/govt, not the other way around
Re: Every Country has Army, Pakistan Army has a country"
Wait you forgot, they have conquered LAL MASJID, and MADRASSAHS.
They have killed 1000+ their civilians. Thats a big accomplisment for a army of 600000.
