European Muslims seeking to 'Restore' Virginity

You might not really be getting that virgin afterall…

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SAINT-DENIS, France Jun 25, 2006 (AP)— Chastity can exact a painful price from young Muslim women, forced into lies or surgery to go to the marriage bed as virgins.

Hymen repair, fake virginity certificates and other deceptions, said to be commonplace in some Muslim countries, are practiced in France and elsewhere in Europe, where Muslim girls are more emancipated but still live under rigid codes of family honor.

Such ploys have saved many a young woman from scorn and worse. But they also clash with the more liberal social mores of France and Europe, where some decry it as an attack on human rights.

The procedures are legal but shrouded in silence “something that passes through nonofficial channels,” via friends or the Internet, said Dr. Nathan Wrobel. “There are circuits that lead women to me.”

Wrobel is one of an unknown number of gynecologists in France who are willing to repair hymens, the membrane usually broken by the first act of sexual intercourse. He was one of the few doctors willing to talk about it.
Wrobel says women come to him having convinced themselves that the procedure will somehow reverse the irreversible. “They tell me, ‘I’ll be a virgin again. You will make me a virgin,’ which in reality is totally false …. It’s a secret we share.”

Other doctors issue false virginity certificates or offer such tricks as spilling a vial of blood on the sheets to fool families into believing the bride has passed their purity bar.

Through the ages, virginity has been prized across religions and cultures, and doctors note that only a few generations back European brides also had to furnish documentary “proof” of chastity.

In today’s France, with an estimated 5 million Muslims the largest such population in western Europe it’s part of the larger question of how to deal with cultural clashes ranging from head scarves in schools to sexual segregation in swimming pools.

A 2005 government report addressing culture clashes in hospitals, and issued a year after Muslim head scarves were banned from classrooms, briefly mentions the virginity issue, asking doctors to refuse to issue false certificates.

Isabelle Levy, author of “Religion in the Hospital,” decries both certificates and hymen repair, saying deception “increases the moral suffering.”
In Islam, virginity is linked to bridal purity and family honor, said Dalil Boubakeur, head of the Paris Mosque.

He notes that tradition holds that “adre,” virgins, are among the delights of paradise. However, Boubakeur, a doctor and a moderate Muslim, says the Quran does not address premarital virginity, and he is against the deception, counseling bride and bridegroom to confide in each other.
It is not known how many doctors in France or elsewhere in Europe help Muslim women to fake virginity. But in Germany, Turkish Muslim immigrants are increasingly seeking virginity certificates, said Serap Cileli, who survived a forced marriage and now helps victims.

German doctors who do hymen repair are easy to find, according to Sibylle Schreiber, who works with a women’s rights group in Tuebingen, but it’s “a taboo topic really only discussed best friend to best friend.”
Not on the Internet, however, where the desperation in Web forums is palpable. “If you have contacts to help me, I’ll never be able to thank you enough,” writes a woman calling herself Lubna who wants help finding someone to restore her virginity.

Wrobel, who teaches at the University of Paris, says he and another doctor at his clinic in a Paris suburb stitch up seven to eight hymens a month in a 20- to 30-minute operation under general anesthesia that he likens to plastic surgery. He asked that the clinic not be named.

The price, $500, is steep for a young woman in a poor family and possibly unemployed. A German doctor advertising on the Internet charges $1,250.
Dr. Emmanuelle Piet, who heads the family planning clinics in an area north of Paris where many Muslims live, says she has been issuing a half-dozen virginity certificates a year for three decades.
But instead of hymen repair, she suggests less drastic measures, like spilling blood on the sheet on the wedding night.

“It’s easy to be like a virgin,” she said.
It’s deceptive but “it’s one way to help the girls,” said Piet, a veteran women’s rights advocate. “They are stuck in things so terrible.”

In an interview, a French Muslim woman from the northern Paris suburb of Saint Denis, recounted how she was forced to procure a virginity certificate at age 12 “after my mother surprised me with a friend.” Although nothing had happened between her and the boy, her suspicious brothers beat her up, she said, requesting anonymity.

By age 19 she had lost her virginity and underwent hymen repair before marrying a man who demanded a virgin.
“I wanted to leave home. I took the first one who came along,” the woman said. The marriage ended after five years.

AP correspondents Claire Levenson in Paris and David McHugh in Berlin contributed to this report.

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Virginity Certificate? So what will it actually say?

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"Inspected and Tested by Underthedome"

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Driven to perfection. :halo:

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poor 18 plus :(

someone tell anil khan to run to hunza quick before these doctors do

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^ :hehe:

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This is proof religion is dominated by men and man's handwriting!! If religion developed by women this concept of restoring virginity to save a woman's life would not be an issue.

My parents have a couple of friends who do such surgeries. Many young women are in fear of their lives should they be discovered as not having a hymen even by the use of a TAMPON! The poor women have to resort to this TO SAVE THEIR LIVES because in some cultures and religously indoctrinated retrograded socieities a woman's hymen is more valuable then giving her an education and skills to be an independent , strong, confident and intelligent woman. Won't men be suprised to find if GOD exists it might just be a woman afterall or a hermaphrodite!!

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Lol.

I think all the males on GS will make atleast one trip to Hunza :wink:.

Seriously though, it might sound a bit impractical but it is my intention to make atleast one visit to hunza, gilgit, and kalaash inshAllah and find a muslim girl :fingers crossed:. In all likelihood, I’ll probably end up marrying a girl from Karachi.

P.S. Its too bad you’re a few years older and western raised otherwise I think we had a future :wink:

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I am not sure how many times you have been to Hunza valley- it is so hard to get there and talk with the locals.. I doubt they will give hand of their daughter to an outsider plus they might be virgin and look europeans(They are result of mixture of Alexander’s army with the local, who might be Indians at that time) but they smell really bad- they usually have not bath in days and months- maybe you might want to change that after you marry one :smiley:

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^ as you said they look europeans and are virgin hence the motivation to marry (someone from there). I don't think being an outsider will be an issue. As far as them smelling bad...its nothing a good wash can't cure and inshAllah after nikkah there'll be a bathroom available for her use anytime. They smell cause they lack the accessories to stay clean NOT because they like to smell like dirt.

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Any guy who needs/gets off of seeing blood and pain to be sure his wife is a virgin is really sick and disgusting. :nook:

No seriously, i think we all need a little biology class here, in grade 9 they taught you that hymen can break from riding bikes and using tampons NOT necessarily having sex.

So if you get a woman who doesnt have a hymen dont assume shes NOT a virgin, and thanks to these ppl, who are only in business coz of sickos who demand virgins (vicious cycle naaa) a grl with a hymen is NOT necessarily a virgin either. Woohoo :rolleyes:

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This is probably the wrong thread to discuss this, but if your requirements in your future wife are (1) looks European, (2) Be Virgin, (3) Be Muslim, (4) Bad smell, doesn't matter, and (5) May have nothing in common with you in any way - then you don't really need to limit yourself to Hunza. Pretty much the entire Central Asia, Afghanistan, Turkey can be a good hunting ground. And now that you know that proving their virginity to you is as simple as keeping a small tube of blood by the bed side for the first night, you may not want to put too much emphasis on that point. Alternatively you may want to search your new new bride carefully before allowing her to enter the bridal suite.

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are Dushwari and underthedome related. :yawn:

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I’ve been there on hiking/mountaineering trips and they are different looking than normal Pakistanis- no doubts and lot of poverty.. You see tons of Imran Khans and blue eyes/blond types- but not a single good restaurant. Me and my buddies ran out of water and had hard time finding mineral water! Seriously speaking, you might try Turkish girls too. There’s one after me these days- she speaks so bad english that it became hard to understand wat she wanted until she wrote an email expressing her interest in me.:clown: I rejected outrightly cuz I am way too much a Punjabi munda and wish my future-wife to be a Punjabi too :smiley:

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The physical restoration of a hymen may be possible to fool the senses...But what about the spiritual hymen? You can't fake that, can you?

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Lajjo ur so naive, dont ya know noone cares abt spiritual virginity, its all abt the physical virginity (i.e. if shes not bleeding then sehs not a virgin :rolleyes: ). Everyone LOVES to look down on Western society claiming it demeans and degrades woman, well Muslims aren’t any better, with practices like female circumcision and virginity restoration, ur just reducing woman to her vagina. I thought Islam forgave everyone of their sins and elevated woman to a higher status than just wat’s her prviate parts but this just proves Muslims/desis/arabs are just as fked up as those westerners you love to ridicule

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lol, very nice.

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Well said.

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That list is just the starting point, just the tip of the ice berg (as the saying goes). After the above, inshAllah, I would see how her turbiat is, what is she like as a person. Does she share the same views as me?

After answering these questions would I agree to get married. :)

But you can't get to the second part without passing through the first part.

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Typical femminist nonsense.

Women play just as large a role, if not a larger one, in propagating these traditions (consider the public display of a bloody sheet at the wedding night...done by women, to the cheers of other women).