Ethnic divide creates ripples among Pakistani community

Ethnic divide creates ripples among Pakistani community - The Peninsula

Ethnic divide in the 50,000 strong Pakistani community in Qatar has come to the fore with a noted literary body of Pathans deciding to keep away from a community function being held this month to mark their country’s independence day. The organisation was irked after the Pakistani embassy in Doha asked it to align its celebrations with non-Pashtu groups. Pak Pashto Adabi Tolna has been holding cultural and literary functions since the middle of 1980s to mark Pakistan’s independence and national days in August and March every year.

The organisation held programmes in Pahstu, the mother tongue of millions of Pathans spread across the north-west of Pakistan and large parts of neighbouring Afghanistan. It invited noted literary figures, among them poets and writers, and musicians and singers from their region in Pakistan and several other countries to hold functions. However, this year the Pakistani embassy asked all community organisation to align their celebrations.
Adabi Tolna was upset as it did not want to hold Pashtu programmes with those of Urdu. Its president, Firoz Khan Afridi said:** “Not only that we have decided to keep away from the independence day celebrations this year, but in future too, we will never hold functions to mark either Pakistani’s freedom anniversary or national day”**. “We will, however, keep conducting literary and cultural programmes in Pashtu,” he added.

Asked why they cannot hold celebrations with other groups from their own country, Khan commented: “We will not hold our Pashtu programmes with those in Urdu”. Khan said that a meeting of officials from social and cultural organisations of Pakistanis in Qatar was convened at the country’s embassy later in July this year and it was there that mission officials asked him to reschedule Adabi Tolna’s (Pakistan’s) independence day fixtures.

“We were asked to do this in order to present a broader and nationalistic picture of our country,” said Khan. The Pakistani embassy, when contacted, said the rescheduling was done merely for convenience and not with any specific intention. Pakistani social and cultural organisations line up their celebrations (of Pakistan’s independence day) mostly on Thursdays and Fridays and invite embassy officials, and this leads to a clash.

“Sometimes we have to attend two functions the same evening, so what we did this year was to invite the officials of these organisations and requested them to schedule their celebrations in consultations with us,” said A A Siddiqui, community attaché at the Pakistani embassy. "Instead of many programmes, we decided to have a consolidated function where every body could be represented, “And, not only Urdu but programmes in other languages like Punjabi and Sindhi were also lined up for this function,” said Siddiqui. Tolna was invited to take part in a multi-lingual mushaira (poetry session) in which many noted literary figures have been invited from Pakistan, he added.

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Looks like our Pashtun brethren are finally coming to their senses and wont let Pakistan stomp all over their idenitity or neutralise it any more..

It wont be long now till they fly their own national flag and that of their forefathers in Peshawar, Waziristan and Balochistan, hats off to them.. :k:

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haha Baluchistan? lol

Plus this is some small community in qatar or something, no one in NWFP wants to join that war torn country Afghanistan.

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What with you and the ethnic divide... ? No one else is so obsesed with this stupid ethnic divide garbage then Chel Chabila baba...
Im sick and tired of this stupid Pasthun nationalist crap.. Its all sh1t.. Hardly any merit at all... Funny how Pathan Nationalism goes hand in hand with Pathan bigortray and racism!
Urdu is the national language of the country, everyone speaks it and everyone can understand it.. Pathans nationalism is BS

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Let the Arse holes join their beloved Afghanistan, garbage belongs in the garbage dump as far as im concerned… But I really would like to see them get passed all the non Pathans Afghans… They hate Pathans more then Pathans hate Pakistan!

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PP, its just a VERY small VOCAL minority... like every 2 out of 1000 of them tries to instill his Pashtun racial superiority but when they realize they are part of Pakistan, they feel insecure and try to comfort themselves, and in the process they pledge allegience to Afghanistan, to draw numbers they include Balchis as part of their brethren (which is funny since when it comes to living with Baluchis, they make the worst enemies, typical example being the bitter rivalry b/w the Baluch and Pakhtun community in Karachi).

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AHHAHAHAHA
You guys seriously need to stop having stomaches about this Babu's posts..
LOL, he's obviously either an Afghani or an Indian who is having a blast making fools out of all your bellyaching. You've read him claiming to be Punjabi, Pasthun and Hindko Speaking at various stages and you still have distraught reactions every time he posts something. You need to remember this is the internet and anyone can pretend to be anyone. So maybe you should contemplate the situation rather than giving someone the reaction they desire.

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Why do Pakistanis feel the need to have just one national language? In Switzerland they've been living together for hundreds of years, and they have four national languages: French, German, Italian and Romansh.
In India they have 21 national languages, which are all used for (local) official purposes and in education.
Why can't the same be done in Pakistan? Declare Pashto, Balochi, Punjabi, Sindhi, Urdu and Kashmiri to be national languages with Urdu as the "national link language"?

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I suspect this has more to with the local disputes..Mr Afridi used to plaster his pro Muslim League credentials on his heart..traditionally many Pakistani embassies have been very indifferent to the goings on of multicultural issues..invites usually only go to people of selected families and local influentials.

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No one is saying we should have one national language, but I figure useing the language that EVERYONE in Pakistan can speak or understand for a NATIONAL holiday celebration makes sense… Punjabis are welcome to have their own language festivals, so are Pathans and Sindhis and who ever else, but when its a gathering of all branches of Pakistan society then its seems obvious that Urdu, the most widely spoken language should be spoken…

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I fail to realize why people have a problem with Urdu... Its the national language simply because everyone can understand and speak it, its a small sacrafice for the sake of the nation...

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It usually is, Pakistanis cant get along no matter where they go..

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Fikar na kar yaara, mein Hindko hi aan… Bas Pakistan kolon tang aa gaya waan, besti ay assaan saareyaan waasey, saarey Pakistan ne lokaan ni behtri issi vich aey ke Darya-e-Abaseen na mashriqi paasa Hindustan naal hovanjey te maghribi paasa Afghanistan naal, inna dowaan mulk’anch koi izzat te pehchaan ta hosi, jado mere kolon koi mulk puchna aey ta aakhnich sharam aani aey, Pakistan ni ‘tui’ vicho ke kadney ho yara? Dafa karo. Duniya ne kisi hissey vich vanj ke vekh gin, Pakistaniyaan ghatiyaa nigaah naal wekha wehnaey.. Afghani ghareeb zaroor hun barey unnhaan ni saqaafat te chitta rang onaan niyaan khaamiyaan te pardah paa chorrna aey, te Hindustan ni economy vekh kidar na kidar pohnch gen oh, Pakistan vich kuj bhi nai aey, na deen te na duniya, Hindustan ne wich sohniyaaN kurriyaaN ta hen naaN, te Afghanistan vich naddey ( :rotfl: )…

There you go, now I don’t know if you understand the Attock dialect or not, I tried Panjabifying it as much as I could. :slight_smile:

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Since when did Afgahnistan become a respectable country lol? Chel youre funny yar!

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Pakistan might have a slightly better economy but let me assure you Afghanistan is more respected…

In this country if someone was to say “I’m an Afghan”, I admit Goray people would feel intimidated at first because of what they’ve heard in the media or they’d be curious because there’s not many Afghans in this country but they wont look down on them like they do on “Pakis” who they have a very low opinion of, it’s not just British people who think that way, I use to speak to a lot of white Americans on chat when I was younger, they don’t have a very high opinion of us I can assure you, Afghans seem to fit right in because their “culture” is less “ethnic”, their accents are not as horrendous and if they have Anglo names they can easily pass off as Mediterrenean or something…

…People over here of West-Asian (Middle-Eastern) origin have a lot of respect for Afghans whilst they look down on Pakis, there’s just as many Afghan labourers in Arab countries as they are Pakis but Arabs tend to respect Afghans a lot more, the Turks both Turkish and Cypriot over here absolutely adore them, and even Iranians who PP thinks hate Afghans like them a lot more than they like Pakis, there’s an Iranian Persian in our class and he’s more vocal than anyone else about “Pakistan-occupied Afghanistan” and tells the Pukhtoon’s to get freedom for their land, of course our Punjabi friends can’t stand him, lol..

In short whether it’s Muslim countries or non-Muslim, the West or East they all have a preference and more respect for India and Afghanistan than they do for Pakistan…

It’s time we brace ourselves for the inevitable, Pakistan will disintegrate whether we like it or not, we’re going to have to mentally prepare ourselves for the changes in our homeland…

Afghanistan should be given it’s land upto atleast the natural border (river Indus) after that the Pukhtoons on the east can migrate westwards or assimilate where they are settled, the Punjabis and the Hindkos on the western side can assimilate into Pukhtu culture (many many have already done this) or migrate eastwards or live as an ethnic minority…

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Slightly better economy my ass. Afghanistan is not even a country, I mean do they even have an airport? Please dont compare a nuclear power with them.

Thats not what I feel, the way I look at, Pakistanis (and Indians) are into alot of respected positions in the west, and are smart people. Afghanis arent like that. Look at the smartest kids in any engineering school abroad, you’ll be likely to find Pakistanis there. Please dont tell me what some american you chatted with think about pakistanis, i live here too, studied here and got a good job, i have no complaints about any mistreatment whatsoever, and I see pakistanis and indians excelling in various fields but I have yet to come across a smart afghani.

Yeah right, the best pick up line for an afghani girl is ‘hey you can do jihad with me anytime baby’ or ‘you can terrorize me any time baby’. Respect lol

You have quite an imagination, no one has respect for Afghanistan. What is Afghanistan anyways? Where was this respect when Afghanistan was deep into drug trafficking, londaybazi and all sorts of horrible stuff? So why was it that only Pakistan out of all these muslim countries let Afghanis in as refugees (the largest number of refugees in the world and not some other muslim country whom you claim respect them so much.

Pakistan will disintegrate and that hell hole Afghanistan will survive? haha Its the other way around, in case you didnt know, and Pakistan saved Afghanistan, we let the refugeees in.

Dream on :hehe:

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I am so scared of the storm in cup of tea :mocking:

Read italicised parts of your original post here again to see if they are celebrating Pashtun culture as in “Pashtuns of Pashtunistan” ( :hehe: as you’d have liked it) or “Pakistani Pashtuns” (the way they are :k: )

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Chel chabila babu good to know that you are hindko speaking.hindko reminds me of Ayub Khan who signed the Taskent declaration and our troops had to return home.General ayub the dictator was also against the bengalis and he is to be blamed for the division of pakistan.One can undersatnd why you hate paksiatn so much and love its enemies.

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Come on man, most hindkus arent like that and Im not too convinced our brother chel chembali here is a hindku either, I mean a few days back I remember he said he was a punjabi.

Chel, lets just assume youre an indian alright?

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Ironic how Pathans love to glorify their Hindko brothers when they support the Pathan mind set, but when they dont, they use them as a way to distinguish themselves from the mistakes of the ruling elite, as the case is with the Hindko Ayub Khan… CANT BLAME PATHANS FOR WHAT AYUB KHAN DID, HE WASNT A PATHAN!