Enough is enough: The excesses of Baloch nationalists

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Talwar...cut it out...Being an Indian...Why is your love protruding out for Baluchistan???First take care of your sorry affairs in Kashmir....
Second....Baluchistan is currently being bombarded by Afghan refugees from 80's...that definitely love Afghanistan over Pakistan....
You guys don't even know the current demographics of Baluchistan....Baluchistan is 50% Pashtun(about 20% Afgan refugees mostly from Kandahar province in Afghanistan....Yes yes the same province that was once the Taaliban stronghold....now these Taalibans are roaming on the streets of Baluchistan...& they have personal grieviances against Musharraf & Pakistani government)....Baluchistan is sparse in terms of its population with people living 100's of miles away from each other ...their settlements being poorly connected to each other...& hence difficult for govt. to control....
Lastly this so called Baluchi out cry is more externally influenced then domestically involved...with people participating...

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When Pakistanis can discuss Indian affairs, I can discuss Pakistani affairs. If you can’t stand someone else pointing out uncomfortable facts, tough.

I know fully well the demographics of Baluchistan. The problem here is in the Sui area which is Bugti/Mazari territory, not Pashtuns. The other area is the Makran coast, which is also non-Pashtun populated. The Pashtun issue is different, stop trying to mix up issues.

Yes, it is the Hindus and Jews who forced Captain Hammad and his gang to rape that poor lady doctor using mind control rays.

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I am not sure about the autnencity of this story…but i am sure captain Hammad didn’t go to a far flung rural area of Pakistan to gang rape a lady doctor…if that’s the case there are plenty in the urban posh Punjab cities …& stop portraying Pakistani army as vivacious rapists etc…they may be for Indian army but not for their own citizens…we know our army very well…
Lastly Kashmir needs your attention more then Baluchistan…Or may be Assam & Nagaland…

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I know fully well the demographics of Baluchistan. The problem here is in the Sui area which is Bugti/Mazari territory, not Pashtuns. The other area is the Makran coast, which is also non-Pashtun populated. The Pashtun issue is different, stop trying to mix up issues.

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Yes it is happening in Dera Bugti...as lawless as anything can be...& who told you in Pakistan....Taaliban terrorists can't roam freely....and in an area too like that of Baluchistan...Musharraf is getting stuck in a very delicate situation now....esp for Baluchistan...First are the Taaliban,after Musharraf's blood...Second Afghan(Both Hazaara/Shiaa ppl,that were never ever seen in Baluchistan before & millions of Afghan refugees etc)...Third is External created(Indian RAW) Shia/Sunni strife....Forth the Local Baluchi Law less Landlords(just like that of pre US invasion Afghanistan)....& Lastly....Nationalists(real Baluchs)...0.1% of the total problem....
Another thing that adds to Baluchistans misery is its poor infrastructure that hampers the development in Baluchistan...Baluchistan has an area of about 370,000 sq km with a meager poulation of 6.5 million...1.5 million out of that live in & around Queeta...about 1 million in the Sibi,Bolan & kalat area ....the rest scattered all over the province....making it a very difficult area to access...
These fake & false alarms are hilarious...created by foolish assumptions by people who have never ever visited Pakistan...thinking that can create some more problems for Pakistan & ...even make Pakistan to back off from the Kashmiri claim....

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You’re not sure but you’re sure? Boy that’s interesting :hehe:

So you’re saying that your troops rape urban Punjabi women :o

I’m not the one doing any portraying, all my sources are Pakistani publications. Here’s another one, which you’d find more detail in the Hamoodur Rahman report:


Tiger’ Niazi and sexual hunger of troops

Sarerahe wrote in Nawa-e-Waqt that **General ‘Tiger’ Niazi commanding troops in East Pakistan in 1971 used to ask his troops about how many Bengalis they had killed and how many women they had raped. When asked why he did that, he said how could he expect his troops to wait till they reached Jhelum to satisfy their desires. **

I know what needs my attention. :wink:

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Huzoor PBUH said that Islam will be devided in 73 Firqas, Except one, Rest of the 72 will go to Hell. No more to say where we are taking our country to.
Sometime I feel ashamed to be Pakistani. May Allah guide us and I pray that may Allah dont forgive those batsards who were in any part of committing or hiding the shameful act. I cant even ask for forgiveness for them. SHAME, SHAME!!!!!!!

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Miss Irem, I suggest you update your knowledge about Pakistan before talking about these things. Baloch nation have gotten a raw deal out of Pakistan. All the development has been focused in making things easier for exploitation of the natural resources of Balochistan, not the development of Balochistan’s education or health system. How many hospitals and institutions of higher learning have the government established in Balochistan since 1947? Compare this to the number of gas plants, pipelines, and army bases the government ahs made in Balochistan and you will see what the problem is exactly.

The establishment has exploited Balochistan and even most of them will admit it, but you seem to be devoid of any reality. How can you solve the problem when people like you do not even except the problem faced with such facts?

And when has Pakistan been allowed to have true democracy? The army mishandled Pakistan since a very early time, not allowing any true democratic institutions to gain strength, like in neighboring India. The center should only have the finance, defense, and foreign ministry under its command, the rest should go to the provinces. This is what the Pakistan resolution called for, and this is exactly what ahs been denied to the people, and has led to the breakup of Pakistan. These are facts, not propaganda or rumorus.

I suggest all who are blaming Balochs, to look at how the army controls everything in Pakistan and how it treats people who do not fit in the power structure. Having to beg for share in the NFC budget is not freedom, but a form of economic colonialism of the worst kind. I can tell you that we in Sindh all support our Baloch brothers in their fight for basic human rights, especially since I am of Baloch ancestry myself.

Balochistan needs true development in the health and education sectors that the local people can prioritize based on their own needs. It doesn’t need projects forced on Balochistan that do not benefit them as much as it will benefit outsiders. If Balochistan wants to develop Gawadar, it has to be its choice, not the choice of industrialists in Lahore or Karachi. The sooner the establishment understands the basic concept of taxation with representation, the sooner Pakistan will be a united and prosperous country.

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You need not shameful to be a Pakistani…instead stop playing in the hands of those who are misleading you…

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You need not shameful to be a Pakistani....instead stop playing in the hands of those who are misleading you....
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what is misleading here. your people, your so-called muslim army of so called islamic republic of pakistan. if you were the brother of that poor doctor, what would you feel? Happy? seems like. I am ashamed to be part of a country who stress that we are all holly ghosts, pakistan is a nation of true muslims, yeah right! what is true islam?

now ur govt is covering it up. shame on u if u r still staying at ur home. go out and tell people wht really happened to tht poor girl.

i m sending a petition to human rights group and will not rest untill i make sure that someone is here to ask questions.

why your media is not saying anything? just a small news abt that doctor. why musharaff is backing up. why dont we give those *******s army officer/s some lessons. where is ur zameer?

this country is not ruled by army? and will never be.

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Well again…don’t lecture…when you haven’t investigated the authencity of this story…there is no bigger liar then a person who spreads a false story…so don’t be a part of that LIARS group…And by the way,how can you judge me …as you are here for the last 8 posts of yours only…Blaming a whole group(Pakistani Army)…based on 1 bad person…is just like blaming the whole society…when a muslim does bad thing…do u say that all muslims are bad??

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i agree with u on that. its same as judging all muslim based on bin laden. my point is then why the coverup. whats the true story, its been sometime since the story surfaced the newspapers, we ought to get the right story... what really happened.

now having said that over 2000 post doest not make you more knowldegebale or right. :P

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Sabaq Zai dam inaugurated in Zhob

ZHOB: Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has inaugurated the Sabaq Zai dam in the Balochistan district of Zhob and has announced that it would provide electricity to the nearby areas of the dam.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz while addressing the inaugural ceremony said that electricity would be provided to the nearby areas of the Sabaq Zai dam. The populous affected by the dam would also be paid a compensation as soon as possible. He said that development schemes worth 130 billion have been started for Balochistan.

He also announced a Rs 10 million special grant for district Zhob.

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5983_1201953,00430014.htm

Pakistan is disintegrating
Wajid Shamsul Hasan
January 17

Pakistan’s Bonapart-ist generals have and continue to play havoc with the fate of the people and the country. Ever since its creation, their direct rule, extra-constitutional interventions, declared as act of treason punishable with death in the Constitution, and their overt and covert machinations have been responsible for the break up of Pakistan, fracturing Pakistani nationhood, fostering violent religious sectarianism, nurturing local jihadis and patronage to foreign religious extremists. They have done this not to strengthen Pakistan.

Pakistan under General Pervez Musharraf, surrounded with civilian boot-lickers, has reached a point of fatal implosion. And for once the main character responsible for it has spoken the truth. He claims that Pakistan has no external threats and its future is endangered because of its grave internal conditions.

Pakistan’s military establishment has pushed the civil society to the edge of precipice, rendering life short, brutish and nasty. All this has come about under the cover of khaki democracy in the name of good governance and enlightened moderation with hitherto elusive promise of peace, progress and prosperity.

The Gilgit sectarian explosion that continues to take its toll, despite heavy presence of the Pakistani military and the eruption of armed insurrection in Baluchistan, is nothing but fatal signs of a socio-economic and political tsunami-like disaster threatening the very existence of the country.

One should not ignore the oft-repeated declarations of those who have not only reached the conclusion but have been saying it so without any regrets or reservations that Pakistan’s creation was a blunder, that Jinnah’s two-nation theory was a hogwash and that there is no need for this “failed” state to continue to exist. What lends credence to their views is the fact that these elements seeking undoing of Jinnah’s Pakistan are not only Musharraf’s coalition partners but are also pillars of his strength in his suicidal power game.

The language General Pervez Musharraf has been speaking these days is much similar to that of General Yahya Khan and perhaps his state of mind and physical condition too are much similar to the General who showed preference to surrender to the Indian Army rather than to the electoral and democratic will of his countrymen. He is treating explosive Baluchistan problem as if it was created by a handful of armed miscreants. He fails to understand that it has a long history and that what we see today is the ugly manifestation of a deep-seated sense of deprivation, socio-economic and political step-motherly treatment inflicted upon people. The recent incident of rape of a doctor by alleged army personnel has inflicted a serious wound on the pride of the Baluchi people.

Besides that there is a perception in the Pakistani GHQ that Baluchistan is not East Pakistan and it can quash any rebellion in this sparsely populated, but largest geo-strategically important and natural resources rich province.

I have often heard Army officers dismissing Baluchistan as a non-issue. A senior Army personnel discussing about the insurgency once said: “Remember, Baluchistan is heterogeneous to rest of the country. East Pakistan was not–separated by 1,000 thousand miles of hostile enemy. When we were in a state of war everything had to be detoured via Sri Lanka and flying over international waters to be in Dhaka-a very expensive affair. Besides the Bengalis were more in number than us in West Pakistan and all the ‘bingos’ were hostile to us. They were aided, trained and armed by the Indians in guerrilla warfare. Baluchistan with a little more than half five million population, can be overwhelmed with force in no time-if Islamabad has a will to enforce its writ.”

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well there is a problem and tht problem is typical punjabi thinking...punjabis think themselves as "baraybhai"....things r getting worst and hamid mir article in today jang is a bit warning...
both government and kamina sardars have nothing to do with the interests of the people.....

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Asia Times Online: What are the reasons for the insurgency in your area of Sui?

Bugti: What insurgency? There is no insurgency in the area.

ATol: Okay, whatever you name it, what is the main reason behind the present trouble?

Bugti: According to my knowledge, this is a reaction and resentment because of an incident in which a lady doctor, Shazia Khalid, was gang-raped by army personnel.

ATol: Can you elaborate?

Bugti: There was a Captain Emad [Bugti spelled the name] and three soldiers from the Defense Security Guards [DSG] , they gang-raped the lady doctor for a night in a room. [Dr Shazia Khalid is an employee of Pakistan Petroleum Limited (PPL) and her family lives in the upscale Clifton neighborhood of Karachi; she was posted to Sui to treat PPL employees.] Then these army men kept her unconscious for several hours. Since an army officer was involved in the case, Major Mukhtar of the DSG hushed up the case by influencing the PPL management. They shifted the doctor to Karachi and she was not allowed to meet anybody so that nobody would know the reality. Even a first investigation report [FIR] was not allowed to be registered with the police, and when after 12 days it was registered, it was a "blind" FIR in which unknown rapists were mentioned. As I am privy to the information, the case was spread all over the area and the Baloch Liberation Front [Baloch Liberation Army] took things into their own hands and they attacked DSG camps and destroyed them and demanded that all foreign elements should leave and not do these nasty things in areas which originally belonged to Baloch culture.

ATol: Were you asked by the government to pacify this conflict?

Bugti: No. They never contacted me this time. There are activities in the area which suggest that they intend only a war against us. For the last two days there has been a full military build-up in the area. According to my information, 36 trucks loaded with army men have reached [the area] and more are coming from different [army] cantonments. At Sibi air base, six gunship helicopters have landed. Today [Thursday] aircraft and helicopters have been flying in our skies for ground checks. They have also brought tanks and 12 artillery pieces. This kind of activity shows that they really mean business.

ATol: It is your area. You are the chief of the Bugti tribe and your people are fighting against the army. What is your role in this conflict? You have consistently denied your role.

Bugti: It is immaterial what I say. The government has directly blamed me [laughs]. The interior minister said that all harm was done by Nawab Bugti, and that even shots were fired from Bugti's house.

ATol: But what will the end result be? When there are no talks and only a military buildup, what really are the government's designs?

Bugti: To eliminate dissenting voices once and for all.

ATol: What dissent?

Bugti: They think that natural resources are national assets, and we think they are Baloch assets, and whoever wants to use them must do so through us, not by direct possession.

ATol: There is an opinion that the root of the trouble is the call for a Greater Balochistan movement.

Bugti: [Laughs] Where did this Greater Balochistan issue come from? It is just a reaction and resentment shown by the Baloch nation to a heinous crime committed on our land.

ATol: Was Dr Shazia a Baloch?

Bugti: Honestly, I did not know about her ethnicity until somebody told me that she was not a Baloch, but hailed from Sindh. But it is beside the point. The Punjabi cannot understand our culture and codes. What respect we give to a women, irrespective of her caste, religion or ethnicity, no Punjabi can understand. The attack on the DSG camps was pure resentment against the humiliation of a woman, and nothing more. A Punjabi cannot understand these sentiments because they are alien to these concepts of the honor of a woman. You may have read about many incidents that happened in Punjab, reported in newspapers, that on the issue of personal enmity somebody entered into the house of his enemy and brought the women of his enemy naked in public, and the Punjabi public, instead of reacting or putting clothes on the naked women, clapped. We are alien to this kind of culture, and therefore when our men learned of the heinous crime they bombed the criminals' nest [DSG] and we say, "Get lost back to your Punjab and do whatever you like, but not on our land."

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First worry about the situation in Andhra Pardesh then nurse some wet dreams.

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So what does this prove once again? Balochs will only get some measly jobs from the government if they use force to have their voices heard, otherwise they get nothing?

Balochistan package after Eid

10,000 jobs for Baloch; Shujaat, Tariq and Mushahid in contact with Bugti

By Shakil Shaikh

ISLAMABAD: A substantial socio-economic package for Balochistan will be ready after Eid-ul-Azha following marathon talks between major central and provincial political players.

“Nawab Akbar Bugti and others will also agree to this package,” former prime minister and President Pakistan Muslim League Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain told The News on Tuesday.

The package was finalised during a high-level meeting here at the Punjab House. Secretary National Security Council and president’s key adviser Tariq Aziz, PML President Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, PML Secretary General Mushahid Hussain, Chief Minister Balochistan Jam Muhammad Yousuf and Inspector General Police of Balochistan Chaudhry Yaqoob attended the meeting.

“Everything will be all right,” said an optimistic Shujaat. “Inshallah, there would be better outcome of our efforts.” A participant commenting on the meeting and its outcome said the “people of Balochistan will accept the package as it has been finalised through joint efforts of the central, provincial and other key players.”

He said Balochistan has suffered protracted negligence, therefore, the new package will not just be an “academic report” but a comprehensive solution to the problems. The package will contain blanket reforms including projects of national interest like linking Balochistan through construction of new highways from Zhob to DI Khan and Loralai to DG Khan etc.

“At least 10,000 jobs with relaxation of employment criteria would be offered to the Baloch in Frontier Corps alone, what to talk about other departments in the Centre and provinces,” said one of the participants of the Punjab House meeting.

The package, said and official, is near-completion at a time when atmosphere is heading towards normalcy in-and-around Sui. It was also decided to send DCO Naseerabad, Mehmood Dogar, to visit the troubled areas and meet people for creating a congenial atmosphere.

The meeting was informed that Nawab Bugti has stated in clear terms he had no links with these (sabotage) incidents. Ch Shujaat Hussain, Tariq Aziz and Mushahid Hussain are in constant contact with Bugti. “There is no communication gap as our leaders are frequently talking to Nawab Bugti on almost all issues,” said the source. Balochistan chief minister also gave his input regarding the reform package, which would be sent to the prime minister and the president before it is made public after Eid.