Pathetic bowling from the Pakistanis - in particular Saqlain Mushtaq who seems to dislike bowling at his Surrey buddies and for Pakistan. He bowled with no spine, throwing up long hops and full tosses. Same goes for Waqar. He always goes for runs in ODI and this was no exception.
Anyway, congrats to England. Moin Khan needs to wake up and show more guts as a Captain…his Captaincy was lax and he seemed lost when the batsman were hitting his bowlers around.
Believe In Angels.
Laterz,
ManiaX.
Except Mushtaq, all went for runs. Flintoff did well. Flintoff is supposed to Afridi type bloke. Pakistan should be able to work out a plan to get him.
Well, I saw every ball of this game, and I think that it's not a very objective assessment from Maniax. The problem was it was a day night match and the heavy dew made it very hard for the bowlers to grip the ball, and negated the reverse swing which Paistanis excel in dry conditions. Saqlain was probably the best bowler. I agree that the captaincy was a bit unimaginative but I think the wet outfield really caught Moin on the hop. Before the game he was saying that he didn't expect any dew problems, but the ball was throwing up a spray as it rolled on the grass so I think it was difficult.
England batted well, but their true test will come in more normal conditions which suit our players. They have definitely gone there with a good attitude though and they seemed genuinely delighted with a win.
Riazuddin, the umpire, seemed to change his mind and give Stewart out after coming under pressure from the fielders, which didn't look good, but otherwise the umpiring was ok. I think it will be a good series. This England side is the least whiney I have seen for a while, and Pakistan will have to play well if they want to continue their recent domination over them.
We got beat by the better team of the day.
The worst team overall.
So what went wrong???
1 word!
Razzaq.
He got hit for 25 in 2 overs.
Wasim should have been brought in earlier!!!
Also Azhar needed to be in the match.
My team for the next ODI:
Since we are already 1 down then we might as well as try afridi.
If Azhar is fit, kick out saqlain.
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Xtreme, i personally was listening to commentary from cricinfo, didn't have the chance to see it live.
But i believe that it was a very very very very close call.
But england one so to bad for us.
What is simply don't understand is why the heck did they have 2 spinners on the dry batting track the karachi is infamous for???
That was plain stupid.
In a test match this is the best spinner duo of the 90's.
Not in a ODI esp. on a batting track.
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my team for next match as well as worldcup(pretty close to other selector, CM))
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:
**
1)Saeed Anwar
2)Imran Nazir
3)Yousuf Youhana
4)Inzamam
5)Faisal Iqbal
6)Abdurrazak
7)Azhar Mehmood
8)Wasim Akram
9)*New keeper
10)*New pacer (Kashif Raza?)
11)*New spinner
**
Moin Khan sucks both as keeper and captain. Kick him out just like ejaz and salim malik. Mushtaq jao jakar bakrian charao. bhaee mushtaq sey ziyada buddha spinner naheen milla. saqlain jao jakar county mein aur pasay banao. waqar expensive and buddha again, useless. Shahid Afridi tukka hay, kabhee chalta hay kabhee naheen.
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shair-e-cricketiyat.
Any team who can chase 300 is GOOD … and England did play very well .. Pakistani problem lies in the structure and strategy … we should have more than five blowing options to begin with .. Tanduklar, Bevan, Kallis are some the most mediocre bowlers I have ever seen in international cricket but they perfectly fit in the one day game plan.. where unorthodox style, and varying slow pace can disturb a batsman timing and concentration who faces good to bad to ugly bowling in short period of time (50 overs) and its hard to decide for him to play the bowl accordingly … the other and major problem with Pak team is lack of practice and coordination .. players have all the excuses/disease lined up when the practice session gets underway .. .some have upset stomachs, headaches, ‘family-commitments, out of country, high fever (which is mysteriously cured few hours before the game) … senior players i.e. Saeed, Inzmam, and even talented Razaq never make to practice… Saquilan has to get his priorities straight … perform or you are out .. go spin your self in the counties .. and some one has put a sock in Waseem and Moin’s mouth .. stop predicting the results dumbo ! Moin predicted (a million times) the out-come of ICC trophy … and SA and Pak never made to the final .. and Akram predicted that Engalnd will be a pushover ‘have no chance’ .. they made you to eat your own words today!
Hey one more thing
These things are hard to explain
For some it seems strange... to swallow
The frontier of our minds
Is the last place we find
But maybe the first place we should go
Actually, Mr.Xtreme is right. I think Moin didnt account for the dew but thats a poor escuse. Ganguly said the same thing and it was poor sportsmanship - Moin didnt go that far - he complained but I dont think he used it as an escuse and was very gracious to the England team for pulling of a remarkable win.
That said..I stand by my assesment of Saqlain. To me, since the last part of the previous season and continuing through the start of this season - he seems to lack motivation when he's playing for Pakistan. Now is that because he isent confident when Moin was the Captain as comapred to Wasim Akram ? Could be. I dont see it as a loss of form..he gets tons of wickets for Surrey yet when he dons the green cap - he bowls long hops and full tosses, not to mention the fact that he no longer gives the ball a tweak and instead just bowls flat and keeps using his straighter one which Im sure Venkatesh Prasad can even pick easily by now.
I think Razzaq,Wasim and Mushy bowled well. Mushy in particular after coming back into the side deserves more credit. Perhaps Moin should play Shoaib Malik in place of Saqlain because he isent delivering the goods for whatever reason.
Believe In Angels.
Laterz,
ManiaX.
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1)Saeed Anwar
2)Imran Nazir
3)Yousuf Youhana
4)Inzamam
5)Faisal Iqbal
6)Abdurrazak
7)Azhar Mehmood
8)Wasim Akram
9)New keeper
10)*New pacer (Kashif Raza?)
11)*New spinner
*
Ok mister selector.
Who will take over as wickie??
Rashid Latif??
HELL NO!!
The team hates him, as he hates them.
That don't work.
What spinner.
Saqi is still the best there is.
I will change my team to follow you a bit.
1) Saeed Anwar
2) Imran Nazir
3) Yousuf Youhana
4) Inzamam
5) Faisal Iqbal
6) Moin Khan - he is the best he have.
7) Azhar Mehmood
8) Wasim Akram
9) Abdurrazak
10) New pacer (Kashif Raza?)
11) Saqlain Mushtaq
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Guys, let's try and use our heads here. The team does not need an overhaul, the batsmen did ok, apart from Yousuf Youhanna who played a little slow on such an easy track. But then England were bowling with a dry ball so it was reverse swinging. We were bowling with a wet ball which totally stumped our effectiveness, i.e., spinners and reversers. I find it hard to judge bowlers in those conditions, and you had to actually see the game to truly appreciate it. Do Wasim and Razzaq normally get hit for 70 runs from their 10 overs?
Let's see what happens in the next couple of games before we start calling for the firing squad.
Incidentally, are the next 2 games day-nighters coz it's gonna have a big bearing on the result. Totally different conditions under the lights.
I agree with MR. X .. we don’t need an overhaul .. its not gonna change any thing . actually it will make things worse … I personally think Waseem ought to be punished for his neck deep involvement in the match fixing.. but since we are not going too .. hell bring back the Skipper .. he produced better results.. I would love to see Lateef as keeper .. after all he is the best out there (Pak and Internationally) … but again practically speaking its not gonna work .. ‘boys’ (I don’t know how Inzi is a boy?) have a good relationship with gutsy Moin . but the guy is a horrible keeper but one hell of a match winner bat… so we should stay with the same team .. please don’t bring back afrdi as an upper order batsman .. he is not a batsman !!!!
Azhar would have played today if he did not have that hand injury .. Vicky could be a terror to the batsman .. but he could be hit at ease at times… with Azhar we have a much better line and length bowler with a solid batting technique … Afrdi should come in place of Saleem Elahi .. the guy is a good batsman .. but Afrdi brings in his bowling .. which would provide the team with more bowling options .. but put him down in the batting order please.. Saqlain .. hmmmm .. prove your worth you county loving no good spin crap
Hey one more thing
These things are hard to explain
For some it seems strange... to swallow
The frontier of our minds
Is the last place we find
But maybe the first place we should go
I agree with MR. X .. we don’t need an overhaul .. its not gonna change any thing . actually it will make things worse … I personally think Waseem ought to be punished for his neck deep involvement in the match fixing.. but since we are not going too .. hell bring back the Skipper .. he produced better results.. I would love to see Lateef as keeper .. after all he is the best out there (Pak and Internationally) … but again practically speaking its not gonna work .. ‘boys’ (I don’t know how Inzi is a boy?) have a good relationship with gutsy Moin . but the guy is a horrible keeper but one hell of a match winner bat… so we should stay with the same team .. please don’t bring back afrdi as an upper order batsman .. he is not a batsman !!!!
Azhar would have played today if he did not have that hand injury .. Vicky could be a terror to the batsman .. but he could be hit at ease at times… with Azhar we have a much better line and length bowler with a solid batting technique … Afrdi should come in place of Saleem Elahi .. the guy is a good batsman .. but Afrdi brings in his bowling .. which would provide the team with more bowling options .. but put him down in the batting order please.. Saqlain .. hmmmm .. prove your worth you county loving no good spin crap
Hey one more thing
These things are hard to explain
For some it seems strange... to swallow
The frontier of our minds
Is the last place we find
But maybe the first place we should go
The remaining two games are also D/N matches from what I understand. I dont think Moin should be replaced..he's a fighting cricketer and in my opinion, Latif cant even lace Moin's boots. It's been that way since 1996. At one time Latif may have had the edge, but for the last 3-4 years Moin has done the job with the bat and behind the stumps. His captaincy is another aspect - being a 'keeper Captain it's difficult for him to lead by example. With Wasim and Anwar not available - he's the only choice till Azhar Mahmood or Mohd Wasim are mature enough. The team doeset need a complete overhaul - just get rid of Saqlain and bring in Afridi or Shoaib Malik and Azhar Mahmood for Waqar Younis. That plus some aggressive captaincy from Moin should see Pakistan through against a VERY competitive English team who are enjoying their trip to Pakistan.
Believe In Angels.
Laterz,
ManiaX.
HELOOOOOOOOOOO I'M JSUT CHECKING,,,,,
Mania bro said " he seems to lack motivation when he's playing for Pakistan"
U got it spot on my brother!!!he is damn rich now and doesnt love his cricket anymore....
Indian Muslim,if they could ,would be better than pakistan.Think Nasir hussain,zaheer,& now Kaif replacing Dravid in the Sarjah.
I think there was lack of professinalism from players, they should have fielded and bowled from start with good planning, but when we see 300+ runs on board we think oh well, they will never reach that score and take things easy. If they would have bowled with line and length there is no way England would have win. If you look at the statistics our bowlers never managed to stop english batsman scoring. Was there any part time bowler available to use? I did not see the game but I am surprise everybody seems like pushing sleem ellahi out of game, which as from his scoring rate I think he played really well....isn't he a good player, why we want afridi, just for bowling sake? if he has to come then definately at the bottom end, not an opener. I think Moin is a exciting captain, he may need help from other guys. I think Waseem should be at least vice captain if not Captain. Inzi does not seem like a vice captain at all. Could not image england making highest score in history and in Pak land. But I will say maybe conditions has made all the difference. But why moin did not thought about dump in start? and elected to bat first?
is the live audio commentary on the net?
some1 plz help
There are basic problems that we will have to adress inorder to improve our team. First of all we have to find a captain. Moin is the only choice because we don't want Wasim there. There is no point in having Inzamam as vice he can never become a good captain. Who than can be the captain? Hundered Million Dollar question.
Coming to the basic mistakes Moin made first of all he panics all the time. See the videos of matches ever since he took over and you will notice it. Secondly I don't think he can inspire the players because ever since he took over as captain his batting and keeping form has gone down. One of the major reasons behind Wasim's success was that he motivated the players and always set the example. Main reason why Pakistan did badly in Australia was that Wasim was not in good form although it was for a short time but players that were used to being inspired by their captain failed to perform well themselves. Moin on the other hand is not as consistent as Wasim is. I don't deny Moin is a fighter but he is just not a good captain. I can not criticise his decision to bat first we all know we are poor chasers, he didn't think dew will effect the game however when the problem started he should have changed his plan. He should have let his best bowler finish his 10 overs in the beginning. Wasim almost always ball 6 overs in his first spell but yeaterday Moin let him bowl only five and actually it was the 11 over that Razzaq bowled instead of Wasim that changed the whole game. If he would have let Wasim bowl all his overs in the beginning the result might have been different because their was no point in keeping him for the last overs when match was over after 25 overs.
My analysis are by no means complete but I have to go eat my lunch/dinner, right the rest after half an hour.
Moin Khan won the toss and elected to bat first. We should not use the excuses that the ball was wet, the conditions at this time of evening are not good for reverse swing etc. If this was the case then why did we not bat second ?.
Well the reason given by many senior Pakistani players is that Pakistan are not good at chasing runs ??? This to me is PATHETIC. These guys have more ODI experience than probabily any other cricketing nation ? They should be able to put a run chase together with the experience they have !!!
Someone mentioned that Yousuf Youhana played quite slowly on a flat batting wicket. Well, looking at the hsitory of Pakistan's middle order of collapsing, I thought he played quite sensibly. This gave the opportunity for others to come in and play their strokes in the later overs - allowing us to post a score of over 300.
Good Luck Pakistan in the next couple of matches. However, if Pakistani players do not get over the psychological/mental barrier that they cannot chase runs, then we might aswell go home if the oppoosition wins the toss and elects to bat first.