Enemy Indentified, Army Moved, Strikes Happened, Still no word...

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Your freshie schizophrenic self is going all bonkers now. Find me a post where I have supported Taliban or their shariyat, or else shut up with schizophrenic bull crap. Would be nice if you can just stick to your words and make your stay short.

People like you are no better than Taliban who scream the word Kafir whenever they confront a different view.

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but idiots like you are alot better than taliban who don't know what the topic is and what they are writing or reading!! right!!! but because their leader say so, they have to bark at every opposite view!!! and go and read your own posts and don't waste my time with your silly comments!!!

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[admin] can we keep it civil please. [/admin]

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Sure.

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I am trying, but people here running out of comments are doing their best to provoke and get personal... Joile comes to mind who start personal remarks and when replied in kind run to hide behind mods...

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You for one is certainly barking at the wrong tree here.

If you care about your time so much, quit replying to my silly comments. Simples.

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still no answer to the main question of this topic rather they have tried to not stay on topic and trying their best to de-rail it...

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Solution is simple, stop differentiating between militants. Attack them indiscriminately, starting from NWA (not the one like SWA where part was cleared and in the remaining half a peace agreement was signed with Mullah Nazeer) . Regulate madrassahs and punish the perpetrators through the judicial process. Unless the intelligence and judicial process is improved and the state itself clears its mind with regards to terrorists (strategic assets) the situation will not improve.

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i would rather take a practical solution and not a bookish one!

regulating Madrassas can be part of a very long term strategy, feeding millions of kids yes the prime reason kids are sent to madrassas is poverty, parents send them there so at least these kids can eat.. hence, to solve the madrassa problem, one need to improve the economy... and economy cannot be improved unless there is better law and order situation, hence , again back to square one, how to eliminate them??

Even the Judicial process of USA and UK cannot prosecute criminals ( and that is one of the reason G-Bay's existence) when there is everybody out of fear of militant decides not to cooperate with judicial process.. Judiciary may need eye-witnesses and many other things to sentence a criminal or terrorist, whereas the terrorist just shoot at their discretion... so again law and order have to be the first priority. I am all for improving judicial system and eradicating the faults-lines in prosecution... not a one night or one year job, a long process where one should make sure that the laws cannot be abused..

All armies, intelligence agencies and what not have these kind of "assets", as they were used well by Pakistan in 90s to keep India at bay, and when they were removed from their, we saw problems in FATA and Balochistan and somewhat in Karachi, so these "assets" are part of your armory, just like a nuke, if not handled with care it will kill you first... so eliminating these assets would be un-realistic approach specially when you have neighbors like Iran and India.

Again, if not army operation against this scum-bags, then what??? we should bend over and let them kill as many as they like because talks have not got us anywhere, despite giving them Swat valley!!!

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Mubarik ho ho hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

On my advise perhaps

Mr Phatoo flee to London

And PTI still 50-50

Not yet final . Support Pakistan or Support Mufsadeen Munkareen e Shareat Taliban

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siwaaya personal attacks ke tumhain kuch aor bhi aata hay?

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The failure of the state has allowed the Madrassahs to flourish. There's no check as to what is being taught to impressionable young minds and where the funding is coming from. During natural disasters organizations like JuD have been able to provide basic services to affected people (again State's job) hence increasing their out reach to impoverished and forsaken areas like South Punjab, Rural Sindh and Balochistan.

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Even the Judicial process of USA and UK cannot prosecute criminals ( and that is one of the reason G-Bay's existence) when there is everybody out of fear of militant decides not to cooperate with judicial process.. Judiciary may need eye-witnesses and many other things to sentence a criminal or terrorist, whereas the terrorist just shoot at their discretion... so again law and order have to be the first priority. I am all for improving judicial system and eradicating the faults-lines in prosecution... not a one night or one year job, a long process where one should make sure that the laws cannot be abused..
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Its evident that no culprit in Pakistan has been punished through our judicial process. Therefore the criminals know they can do what ever they want and can get away with it. Extrajudicial killings only play into militant's narrative.

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All armies, intelligence agencies and what not have these kind of "assets", as they were used well by Pakistan in 90s to keep India at bay, and when they were removed from their, we saw problems in FATA and Balochistan and somewhat in Karachi, so these "assets" are part of your armory, just like a nuke, if not handled with care it will kill you first... so eliminating these assets would be un-realistic approach specially when you have neighbors like Iran and India.
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No country raises these kind of assets in their own country. If US or India have to fight a war, they'll go to Pakistan and Afghanistan and use their people not theirs. Why cry if Pakistan wants to continue using proxies. After all the enemies of today were the 'heroes' of the past. There is no guarantee that the good Taliban of today will remain the same in the future. The army should develop the confidence of fighting the adversary directly, making use of proxies has only hurt us. When we give examples of Srilanka fighting against Tamil tigers and winning, we fail to take into account that they considered the organization as a whole as a terrorist organization.

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Again, if not army operation against this scum-bags, then what??? we should bend over and let them kill as many as they like because talks have not got us anywhere, despite giving them Swat valley!!!
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BY all means do conduct an operation, its the call of the Prime Minister in any case.

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Very sad to see this man from Multan Province visiting the home of Shaheed Major Jahanzeb at Multan but not condemning the Killers of the Jahanzeb , The murtadeen Taliban . Slave of the dirty politics .

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So true, you have nailed it here, there is no check and balances, no one knows from where the funds are coming and where they are being spent... to provide basic necessities both during the peace period and at the time of disaster is the govt's job, had govt being providing education on the model of Madaris and/or had regulated them in better way we may had a different scenario all together.. but what is done is done, we cannot beat the bush now it has to repaired no other options, Thanks to Allah all Mighty, Education has been the main priority of all the winning parties in Punjab and KPK, but still as i said earlier, it will take a generation to feel the change..


I would quote Wali Babar's case, where all the witnesses were shot dead.. and the killers made sure that they put the bullet in the eyes of witnesses, we all know what message was there.. 2nd case is of Malik Ishaq, got arrested in mid or late 90s, and still cannot be sentenced.. speaks volume on the capability and whole security and judicial system..

there is thing or two i can add further, extra judicial killings somehow restore law and order, at least it worked for Indian Police while they were eliminating the Sikh rebellion and later reducing the effect of underworld in Bombay and when the Mayor of Newyork decided to reply to the gangs with iron fist, but these are short term measures, in Pakistan Shahbaz Sharif used it in late nineties and we all from Lahore and Northern Punjab know how it made the lives easy.. but then due to lack of proper judicial and police system it came back...

Actually we also had them in Afghanistan, but due to Afghan-US war, somebody created their reflection and are using it against us... remember the 1st mehsood, i think if i recall it right, he was brother of Bait Ullah Mehsud, ISI thought it was their asset, but after his return from G-Bay, he had been re-programmed. Good If Pak-Govt can shift them to Syria... they can kill as many jews as they like..

So when are you declaring was on Taliban and its sympathizers?

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I am very sure that the majority of KPK people are against Taliban . A hate wave in the hearts of the people of KPK . I don’t know ,Why PTI is not realising this . They can not keep grip in KPK any long in case of their continue support for Taliban . There are opponents of everyone . They are enjoying .

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Terrorism policy of Govt of Punjab, oops I mean Govt of Pak is as follows:

Don't let terrorist do any terrorism in Punjab

If there is terrorism in Punjab, request them not to do anything in Punjab

If there is any terrorism in Pakistan anywhere other than Punjab
If it is against Civilians, ignore it as if nothing happened
If it is against army, give a statement

If damage by terrorism to army is big, send a few bombs via jet planes, helicopters

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Good assesment but keep it pending few days . Let tham do freely
They need encouragement .

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Do you know for how many years the operations is going on in Kurram?

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Yeah , That's why .

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The army is fighting there, and the locals believe strategic games at play since it borders Afghanistan. Operations going on for 6 years in this particular agency.

Malik Waris Khan, a former federal minister and leader of the PPP from Khyber Agency, headed the jirga and Haji Munir Orakzai, Sajid Toori, Haji Faiz Muhammad Malik, Jamal Hussain Orakzai, Malik Shah Hussain, Noor Jafar Orakzai and Malik Bismillah Orakzai are said to have played a pivotal role in negotiating the truce.