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so if democracy is antidote to militancy, why has civil war been raging in sri lanka and why have kurds taken to militancy after the recent elections in turkey?
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Not that i'm a Pro Mush but the alternatives aren't very good though:
BB Nawaz Chuadhrys from Gujrat Any Maulana Imran Altaf
??????
Allah hi Hafiz is Mulk ka.
Its the system that is weak and without adequate checks and balances, rather than the people that are a problem. Mushy had an apportunity to fix the system to create a better future for Pakistan and instead he let himself become corrupted by it. He is now no better than anybody else.
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radicalism was half-heartedly attacked but it attacked back and with very good aim. the radicals have given the pakistan army a very bloodey nose and if thats thew case how will it ever fight an enemy country?
radicalisation will fade away when justice, truth, equality rule. people are being pushed to radicalisation and disillusionment because everything is so messed up. wha about health, education, progression, increase in life standards, sustainability - when the government starts succeeding in these areas then will pakistan move forward. the militants in swat solved the traffic problems in a day - the government had probably been trying to solve it for decades. i keep asking myself WHY DOES PAKISTAN HAVE TO ALWAYS BE LIKE THIS?
Whatever the cause, let us hope the product of this emergency is an attack on radicalism.
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Geo TV is replaying two videos. One has to do with the timeline of emergencies imposed in Pakistan. Other on the effect it will have on Pakistan. The second one says that under emergency Pakistanis will not have freedom of speech, will not have freedom to protest and go to places on their own etc.
What will be under watch;
How much is it going to be exact like that? How much freedom of speech or freedom to speak against Musharraf will be tolerated?
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no, i want the supreme court to act without prejudice and in a sane manner. we saw on tv, lal masjid students killing pak sipahis and yet supreme court got these people released within a month. this behaviour clearly indicates to me that current supreme court was not fit for its task. similarly flip-flop over mushraff's verdee has shown that any nutjob can stop govt from functioning by approaching the court and asking the court to re-open recently decided cases. this supreme court was acting politically and got what it deserved.
whole incident started just after the sacking of CJ in march. so its safe to say whatever was going on in lal masjid, government was fully aware of it and maybe even involved in flaring it up. if mushy can kill innocent civilians for his own agenda then ppl trapped in lal masjid were not different. also don't remember, negotiations were successful between the two parties until mushy decided to go against everything that was agreed upon between his own negotiators and lal masjid ppl. that clearly shows mushy had other ideas in his filthy mind from the start. afterall it was not in his own interest to get rid of lal masjid ppl so soon. to prolong the drama was to his own adventage. that is why SC released many bcos government was not able to provide sufficent evidence to link them to any wrong doings.
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“Pakistan is a very important ally in the war on terror and he is closely following the developments there,” Morrell told reporters aboard Gates’ plane as he traveled to China.
The emergency declaration “does not impact our military support of Pakistan” or its efforts in the war on terror, Morrell said of the country that’s a key U.S. partner in the fight against al-Qaida militants.
Rice said that, to her knowledge, Bush administration officials had yet to hear from Musharraf since his declaration Saturday, although U.S. leaders had privately and publicly urged him against such a move.
Rice said she last spoke with Musharraf a couple of days ago but other U.S. officials had made the U.S. position clear to him more recently.
She would not detail the conversations. She did say the U.S. told Pakistani leaders that “even if something happens, that we would expect the democratic election to take place because Pakistan has got to return to a constitutional order as soon as possible, and Pakistanis have to have a prospect of free and fair elections.”
It was not clear whether U.S. officials had advance knowledge of Saturday’s action.
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whole incident started just after the sacking of CJ in march. so its safe to say whatever was going on in lal masjid, government was fully aware of it and maybe even involved in flaring it up. if mushy can kill innocent civilians for his own agenda then ppl trapped in lal masjid were not different. also don't remember, negotiations were successful between the two parties until mushy decided to go against everything that was agreed upon between his own negotiators and lal masjid ppl. that clearly shows mushy had other ideas in his filthy mind from the start. afterall it was not in his own interest to get rid of lal masjid ppl so soon. to prolong the drama was to his own adventage. that is why SC released many bcos government was not able to provide sufficent evidence to link them to any wrong doings.
you are welcome to your viewpoint if you think lal masjid crowd deserved to walk free. i however believe they got what they deserved. and since we have such radically different mindset, further discussion is wasted.
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Its the system that is weak and without adequate checks and balances, rather than the people that are a problem. Mushy had an apportunity to fix the system to create a better future for Pakistan and instead he let himself become corrupted by it. He is now no better than anybody else.
Yaar i agree with every bit u wrote but u gotta start somewhere.
The Problem is that the cancer of corruption has reached every single inch of this Country.
Either u bear with what u've or going to get or wait for divine intervention
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musharaf :-
did not take enough action when the "militants" were crossing the border back in 2001. he could have castrated the power of the fundo's bac then.
mushy was a promising leader so start off yet started dealing with those corrupt politicians to ensure his power which has got to his head.
mush could have dealt with both the balochistan and waziristan situations differently but he did not and wounds bleed and can lead to other sicknesses.
mushy is messing with the checks and balances of the country in order to give himself more power. mushy is a fool who totally misread the chaudhar ifitkhar situation and therefore alienating moderates against him, making him one of the most loathed leaders in pakistans history
under mush the highly respected pakistan army's image has been desecrated - unfortunately i cant find a better word for it. i believe they can still win back confidence if they do what they are supposed to do ie fight and not meddle in politics unless absolutely necessary. the army has proved highly incompetent in dealing with fanatacism in fata and swat. i am pretty much sure 99.99999999% of pakistani soldiers hate to see there own people subjugated to warfare.
this list could go on. i know it is one-sided yet can anyone here remember any good mushy ever did?
Against another country, motivation wont be a factor. these are frontier constabulory forces, not regular trooops. they refuse to fight other muslims, thats a mistake, but against foreign powers the regular troops would be deployed.
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The supreme court in US decided an election everyone accepted teh reult and moved on.
Well ask those thousands of innocents ppl in IRAQ and Afghanistan who were merely colatral damage
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you are welcome to your viewpoint if you think lal masjid crowd deserved to walk free. i however believe they got what they deserved. and since we have such radically different mindset, further discussion is wasted.
that is governments fault and failure. i only stated the obvious that if government was not able to present any compelling evidence against them then they do deserve to be set free. government accused them of terrorism and yet its the government that failed miserably to provide any hard evidence against them. SC can not be blamed.
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Yaar i agree with every bit u wrote but u gotta start somewhere.
The Problem is that the cancer of corruption has reached every single inch of this Country.
Either u bear with what u've or going to get or wait for divine intervention
Where there is a will, there is a way.
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Contrary to popular expectations BB is actually back in the country, and has called these new developments - "extremely disappointing". Well, well, well... what do we have here. The honeymoon is over before it even began. Question is did she play her cards right. She overtly aligned herself with a military dictator and now he has gone back to an Emergency. BB is like, "khaaya piyaa kuch nahi, glass toDa bara aanay".
Mushy uncle's speech was full of rhetoric about quashing extremism from the country, before he launched into a full-scale attack on the Supreme Court for giving a tough time to the government agencies. Jeez Louise!! Does the guy even listen his own words? May be he is still under the impression that firing more bombs in Waziristan or Swat is going to take care of the violent extremism fermenting in all parts of the country. Ok, lets see how the continuation of this experiment goes. For the sake of Pakistan, we all hope that Mushy uncle actually has a plan (and he can implement it and succeed) and is not just swapping his wings trying to hang on to kursi. None of us want Pakistan taken over by rabid mullahs (presumably) though some of us believe Mushy uncle is the answer, and some others want a political solution with sustained democracy.
It is also interesting to note that no political party in Pakistan has come forward with any forceful response to this. They are just swatting flies and making statements on Geo/Ary from their London homes. There are no masses on the street. No protests. Seems people are just to numb by now to be excited about anything. Right now its dead of night in Pakistan, lets see what tomorrow morning brings.
Mushy calls it emergency. Some US media is reporting it as Martial Law. Not sure whats the difference. All assemblies are still in tact, though not sure for how long. The next few days are important, especially to see whats the reaction of our political parties and of the western governments. It doesn't seem likely to me that Mushy uncle will get away with it this time.
Good luck Pakistan...
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Benazir, Altaf have opposed emergency and want constitution to be restored.
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I think in a few days people will start coming out onto the streets. It would be interesting to see how Mushy tries to get out of the mess that he created for himself.
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Right now Nawaz Sharif is on Geo TV in oppostion of Emergency.
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^ I am sure they have. Question is will they be motivated enough to ask their party workers to stage protests on the streets... Current statements coming out of BB, NS and Altaf are like swatting flies ... "extremely disappointed", "unfortunate", "my heart is crying"...
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I think in a few days people will start coming out onto the streets. It would be interesting to see how Mushy tries to get out of the mess that he created for himself.
I don't know if people will actually be coming out onto the streets in big numbers. I expect lawyers to be again in the forefront of protests.
From a more semantic stand point, I doubt there is anything remotely "interesting" here. Depressing, yes. Confusing, yes. Annoying, may be. Hopelessness, you bet!
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I don't know if people will actually be coming out onto the streets in big numbers. I expect lawyers to be again in the forefront of protests.
From a more semantic stand point, I doubt there is anything remotely "interesting" here. Depressing, yes. Confusing, yes. Annoying, may be. Hopelessness, you bet!
EXACTLY. you sum up my feelings on the whole thing.
and so i end my night on the forum.
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Same question is being asked to Nawaz Sharif, he doged the question. I don't see any of these three asking their party workers to take the street. However, they will put the pressure on the government for election. If that does not go well, things will go out of control.
I don't see any of that happening. Election may well be on time.