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simple question: what is the alternative?
maulana fazul rehman?
Make sense, I said I oppose Malvis and radicals.
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and like i’ve said b4…onus was on the government to prove their guilt. which they couldn’t thus SC had no other choice but to let them go. as for their involvement in any terrorism activities, if government failed to prove it then how come you sound so confident of their guilt? clinching to mere straws i see…:halo:
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right and thats why jihadies are on the rise in swat and fata.
king-faisal, yes or no, its a simple question. do you think Musharraf would have imposed emergency if his presidency was not being settled in Supreme Court?
i answered your question earlier. supreme court had ruled in favour of musharraf's verdee few weeks back in qazi ahmed/great khan case. however next week supreme court started examining the same issue again and then they kept changing the size of the bench. its violation of fundamental principle of justice that same case gets tried over and over again by the same court. supreme court actions were clearly hampering the chief of army at a time when his attention should be focussed against the terrorists. musharraf rolled the dice when he went along with the qazi ahmed case. the justice wajihuddin case was the last straw.
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It was ISI who created Taleban, not PPP.
Let me correct that. ISI + CIA + Saudi's = Taleban
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i answered your question earlier. supreme court had ruled in favour of musharraf's verdee few weeks back in qazi ahmed/great khan case. however next week supreme court started examining the same issue again and then they kept changing the size of the bench. its violation of fundamental principle of justice that same case gets tried over and over again by the same court. supreme court actions were clearly hampering the chief of army at a time when his attention should be focussed against the terrorists. musharraf rolled the dice when he went along with the qazi ahmed case. the justice wajihuddin case was the last straw.
so you think the martial law would not have been imposed if Musharraf's case was not pending in the courts, correct?
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The supreme court in US decided an election everyone accepted teh reult and moved on. Here the president sacks the judiciary and delcares emergency because the judiciary might have decided against him. See the difference.
As Ravage said Would he have declared emergency if it wasnt for the supreme court threat? It had nothing to do with fight against terrorism
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Absolutely correct. The vindictice ex-CJ of the Supreme Court was making orders that led to terrorists being let off, and probably end up carrying terrorists attacks that have killed hundreds. Musharraf should have taken this action much sooner.
Which planet are you living on?
One is innocent until proven guilty. That is a premise of justice the world over, especially in serious criminal cases. If the government has evidence then it should charge the accused persons otherwise they should be freed from jails.
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Whatever the cause, let us hope the product of this emergency is an attack on radicalism.
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“*The U.S. called for Musharraf to restore democracy. However, the Pentagon said the emergency declaration does not affect U.S. military support for Pakistan and its efforts in the war on terrorism. Britain said it was deeply concerned.”
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In his television address, Musharraf said he hoped democracy would be restored following parliamentary elections.
“Unless General Musharraf reverses the course it will be very difficult to have fair elections,” Benazir told Sky News television by telephone. "I agree with him that we are facing a political crisis, but I believe the problem is dictatorship, I don’t believe the solution is dictatorship.
“The extremists need a dictatorship, and dictatorship needs extremists.”
In justification, the emergency order obtained by The Associated Press said “the constitution provides no solution for this situation, there is no way out except through emergent and extraordinary measures,” it said.
Musharraf’s order allows courts to function but suspends some fundamental rights guaranteed by the constitution, including freedom of speech. It also allows authorities to detain people without informing them of the charges.
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so you think the martial law would not have been imposed if Musharraf's case was not pending in the courts, correct?
i think musharraf was judging what relationship with supreme court would have been like? if supreme court had adapted an accomodative stance, i believe musharraf would not have imposed emergency. however clearly supreme court had gone bananas - one week ruling musharraf's verdee was legal and next week examining the same issue again. i repeat, no govt can function when its very existence gets challanged every week even when the same court on multiple occasions has validated govt's existence.
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then start with his own partners, generals in army, solders and such. you will find more radicalism/extremism there than anywhere else in pak. first keep your own house in order and then worry about others. :k:
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maulana is not in power so he is not as BIG of a THREAT to PAKISTAN as MUSHY is. a madman in power is more dangerous than the one dreaming of it.
Having a mentally unstable person in charge of Pakistani nukes is a very dangerous matter. Declaring martial law all but in name just to hold onto power is like using the nuclear option.
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...if supreme court had adapted an accomodative stance, i believe musharraf would not have imposed emergency....
clearly that is the only thing that matters then, and Im glad we agree. all this talk of releasing terrorists and other BS is a diversion.
coffee-cake and others... you are kidding yourself if you think a man who's only, ONLY, legitimacy and means of gaining support around the world is terrorism and radicalism, will find it in his interests to eliminate terrorism and radicalism.
everything we've seen from Musharraf in these eight years points to the fact that he views his holding onto power as the most paramount cause possible. and if you expect such a guy to cut his ONLY lifeline as a ruler, his only justification to rule, then you're being a bit too optimistic.
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i think musharraf was judging what relationship with supreme court would have been like? if supreme court had adapted an accomodative stance, i believe musharraf would not have imposed emergency. however clearly supreme court had gone bananas - one week ruling musharraf's verdee was legal and next week examining the same issue again. i repeat, no govt can function when its very existence gets challanged every week even when the same court on multiple occasions has validated govt's existence.
forced existence...and how accommodative do u want the SC to be? prosecute every person put forward by the government no matter how ridiculous or false charges were? SC is an institution to deliver justice for all and not just for mushy.
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** "The extremists need a dictatorship, and dictatorship needs extremists." **
That is what I have been saying, both parties have used each other for their benefit and Pakistan has suffered and that is why Musharraf has to go.
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Attorney Journal was on Geo TV, sounded very sleepy. According to him, there will be suspension of civil rights and some restriction on media, but parliment will continue, senate will continue. Elections will be held.
Interesting thing will be what fundametal rights will be violated and how much media will be restricted. I don't see a big difference with respect to Musharraf in media but the opposition on streets may be effected by it. Moreover, the new restrictions prevents the media to broadcast live bomb blasts and such events. What to watch is the effect on media on investigative journalism and reports on the operation against militants and civilians.
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musharaf :-
did not take enough action when the "militants" were crossing the border back in 2001. he could have castrated the power of the fundo's bac then.
mushy was a promising leader so start off yet started dealing with those corrupt politicians to ensure his power which has got to his head.
mush could have dealt with both the balochistan and waziristan situations differently but he did not and wounds bleed and can lead to other sicknesses.
mushy is messing with the checks and balances of the country in order to give himself more power. mushy is a fool who totally misread the chaudhar ifitkhar situation and therefore alienating moderates against him, making him one of the most loathed leaders in pakistans history
under mush the highly respected pakistan army's image has been desecrated - unfortunately i cant find a better word for it. i believe they can still win back confidence if they do what they are supposed to do ie fight and not meddle in politics unless absolutely necessary. the army has proved highly incompetent in dealing with fanatacism in fata and swat. i am pretty much sure 99.99999999% of pakistani soldiers hate to see there own people subjugated to warfare.
this list could go on. i know it is one-sided yet can anyone here remember any good mushy ever did?
how is musharraf a threat to pakistan? the only threat to pakistan is islamist radicalism.
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forced existence...and how accommodative do u want the SC to be? prosecute every person put forward by the government no matter how ridiculous or false charges were? SC is an institution to deliver justice for all and not just for mushy.
no, i want the supreme court to act without prejudice and in a sane manner. we saw on tv, lal masjid students killing pak sipahis and yet supreme court got these people released within a month. this behaviour clearly indicates to me that current supreme court was not fit for its task. similarly flip-flop over mushraff's verdee has shown that any nutjob can stop govt from functioning by approaching the court and asking the court to re-open recently decided cases. this supreme court was acting politically and got what it deserved.
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That is what I have been saying, both parties have used each other for their benefit and Pakistan has suffered and that is why Musharraf has to go.
Not that i'm a Pro Mush but the alternatives aren't very good though:
BB
Nawaz
Chuadhrys from Gujrat
Any Maulana
Imran
Altaf
??????
Allah hi Hafiz is Mulk ka.
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Whatever the cause, let us hope the product of this emergency is an attack on radicalism.
While you are only hoping it turns out to be an attack on radicalism (even though radicalism has nothing to do with this martial law), it definitely is an attack on the rule of law and civility.