This might sound like a daft question but can your average individual do anything to lessen the burdern on our Bijli?
If yes what steps can individuals or even organisations take to help?
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Individual’s can take these steps:
- Those who are using electricity, pay their full bills, no kunda/theft
- If they find someone stealing electricity then inform multiple departments like KESC/WAPDA/Police, make a video and upload on Youtube :k:
- Convince people who are stealing to stop stealing electricity
- Those who have “houses” should start installing solar-panel for electricity storage as UPS is draining the same power source and sort of more than doubles up the pressure on distribution system, also they could install wind-based power solutions.
I am sure many others will have more valuable points.
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- Burn tires and throw stones at KESC/WAPDA buildings.
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- Don't vote PPP in the next elections.
If people cut down the amount of electricity they use will it help OR would it just be wasted?
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People should stop stealing power and pay the bills. That should take care of everything.
- Those who have "houses" should start installing solar-panel for electricity storage as UPS is draining the same power source and sort of more than doubles up the pressure on distribution system, also they could install wind-based power solutions.
THAT's an interesting option. But I wonder if there are companies selling and installing solar-panels in Pakistan? I also am interested in cost of using solar energy in a typical house.
I think solar energy is quite expensive. This is why US government gives subsidies for people buying solar energy equipment.
I found this website which lists several companies providing solar equipment in Pakistan.
You already found out companies selling solar panels/solutions. Check out this post with more details on power production/need and cost estimation.
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As long as the people who make decisions are getting electricity 24 hours a day and almost free, so they can run AC's for unlimited time, there is nothing that will be done.
Stealing of electricity and protests may increase though.
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Actually those solar panels are a great idea. A few friends of mine have them up and running in their homes and they work really well.
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Everyone has to take part in this. We can not blame the Governement. Today we have loads of electricity things in our homes - frigdes, washing machines, blenders, acs, fans, many tvs instead of a single family tv so on and so forth! But we still want to pay only Rs. 500 per month. That is the main problem with us.
People who steal electricity, they use it lavishly. They damn care if the bulb or fan they are running was really necessary. You will find their TV running and no one watching. Sad and pathetic.
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Electricity problem can not be solved unless and until kunda system and meter adjustment is taken care of.
I know so many families in my own neighbourhood who use AC 24 hours and a KESC guy come and take a fix amount of money every month from them. In one of my relatives too they don't have electricity meters in the entire building , they just give fix amount of RS 1400 every month and use as much electricity as they want. People who steal electricity use it unfairly & excessively thus putting burden on already very thaka hua electricity supplying system.
If people stop stealing and start paying bills everything will be taken care of.
My dad knows someone who lives in the same line where a very famous house of a very influential political leader is situated (in clifton)....over there load shedding never happens !
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world/asia/27lahore.html?pagewanted=2&hpw
Pakistanis Living on Brink, and Often in the Dark
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Residents in Lahore, Pakistan, try sleeping on a roof in the heat. The country faces about 12 hours of power cuts a day.
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The Jamshid family in Lahore. Some residents have resorted to using gas lamps and candles, and businesses are struggling.
[Pakistan](http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/pakistan/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) is in the throes of an energy crisis, with Pakistanis now enduring about 12 hours of power cuts a day, a grueling schedule that is melting ice, stopping fans and enraging an already exhausted populace just as the blast furnace of summer gets started.
In an effort to stem that frustration, Pakistan’s government held an emergency meeting last week, bringing together top bureaucrats from across the country. But instead of easing the problem, it aggravated it, ordering power-saving measures that seemed calculated to smother some Pakistanis’ last remaining pleasures.
“They are playing a joke on us,” said Amina Ali, the mother of a bride at a wedding hall that was under orders to close early as part of the new energy-saving restrictions. Her brother chimed in: “The Pakistani people are a toy in the hands of the government.”
The power failures could prove destabilizing if they go unchecked, analysts said. Pakistan badly needs its economy to expand to make space for its bulging young population, and chronic power cuts work against that.
It is a concern for the United States, which is trying to help steady Pakistan’s wobbly finances and keep its democratically elected government afloat. The Obama administration has pledged about $1 billion for energy over the next five years.
The crisis is a snarl of unmet responsibilities, and untangling it will not be easy. It has a cast of guilty characters that goes back years: governments that are incapable of planning ahead; bureaucrats who take bribes; even ordinary people who steal about 30 percent of all the power produced. The tribal areas in the west, for example, have no meters and have never paid for power.
The result is about $2 billion a year in energy that is generated but not paid for. Industry experts said they were skeptical the government had a way to close the growing gap between Pakistan’s demand for power and the energy sector’s ability to produce it.
“There is nobody in Islamabad who is working on a coherent, integrated plan,” said one industry executive who asked not to be identified because he did not want to be seen as being critical of the government. “The discussion just keeps going in circles.”
Which was why it seemed particularly galling when the government ordered stores to be shut at prime shopping time, 8 p.m., and wedding halls closed by 10. Weddings are important entertainment in Pakistan, and go on late into the night, with dancing, lights and finery.
“Should we just sit at home in the darkness and go to sleep?” sputtered Ms. Ali, waiting outside the Mughal-e-Azam banquet hall, whose owners had been warned the night before that it should be closed by 10 p.m. One of the owners, Moazzam Ilyas, was nervously trying to coax the event along, even though at 9:45, the groom had still not arrived.
Here in Punjab, Pakistan’s most populous province, the power failures have been disastrous for small businesses. Ali Raza, a printing press owner, has watched his once-prospering label business sag as power cuts bite into printing time, delaying orders and frustrating clients.
Late last year, he sold two large Swedish presses and fired half his 35-member staff. He has given up much of his upper-middle-class lifestyle, selling his Toyota, quitting his gym and limiting purchases of fruit and meat.
As his life and business shrink, so does his determination to stay in Pakistan. “I should move from here before I have nothing,” he said, sitting in his office next to a blank computer monitor and motionless fan. “Staying means committing suicide.”
Poorer Pakistanis have it worse. In Lahore’s old city, an ancient warren of narrow streets full of cavelike workshops for metal and leather, the sound of circular saws stops suddenly at 4 p.m. Candles are lighted. The only noise is the tapping of hammers.
“There’s no income; we are very worried,” said Mirza Arif Beg, 33, a metal polisher whose family business is collapsing. “We feel helpless. Should we do crime?
Stealing electricity seems to be an option available mostly to those with enough money to afford a bribe. It also might require some relation to the storied meter men, who are paid a pittance but are reported to live well off the proceeds.
“They have big houses, big cars,” said Muhamed E. Baderi, a plastic-tube maker who said he knew a metal-works company that regularly bribed its meter man to reduce its electric bill. “They know the art of meter tampering.”
Those who cannot afford to bribe have to pay or face being shut off. Muhamed Faqir, a 45-year-old buffalo farmer with five children, said he had to borrow from relatives to pay $50 in bills after his power was cut for eight days this winter.
The energy industry was already beginning to spiral when the current government took office in 2008, and to a large extent, the problem is inherited. Even so, the government and President Asif Ali Zardari are the lightning rods for public anger, which has begun to bubble up in the form of protests in some places in Punjab.
A basement full of cobblers in the old city, when asked to describe where they thought the crisis had come from, could come up with only curse words for their leaders.
The opposition party, led by former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, has played on that anger, trumpeting the crisis to score political points, analysts said, even though its government’s record in the 1990s was no better.
On Saturday, city government officials marched around Lahore’s most important markets at 8 p.m., demanding that merchants shutter their stores. Men with sticks from the local trade union made the final argument for those who were slow to comply.
“We want to shop,” said a woman glaring at the lowered gates of a shoe store. “People don’t get up early, and it’s hot. Now I’ll have to come back on Monday.”
The restrictions look menacing, but few believe they will last. Follow-through has never been Pakistan’s strong point, and the power-saving measures seemed unlikely to be an exception.
When the groom finally arrived at the marriage hall, it was after 10 p.m., and Mr. Ilyas looked distressed. A thick river of guests inched into the hall for dinner, which had been ready since 7, as a marching band played behind them in the dark.
But by 11, no one had come to shut the hall down. A basic truth about Pakistan had been revealed.
“It will be like this for 10 days, and after that will go back to the way it was,” Mr. Ilyas said. “This is the Pakistani way.”
The problem of electricity in Pakistan is less because of the production capacity and more to do with affordability. Government is paying more than 200 billion rupees as a subsidy to cover loses of KESC and WAPDA. If they don't resort to load shedding these losses can be more than 400 billion rupees. A nation which pays a total of 1200 billion rupees to the government as total revenue... can not ask for 400 billion rupees as electricity subsidy. This is in addition to a huge amount of natural gas which is being used in the country at meagre rates to run captive and main stream power generating units. So if you take that in to account, the total subsidy to electricity sector is more than 500 billion rupees.
The only viable solution is to
a) Enhance the electricity tariffs... this will automatically induce conservation as far as consumers are concerned.
b) Tackle the theft problem with an iron hand.
c) Improve the management of the distribution sector.
and finally
We have to construct dams and use coal reservoirs to generate cheaper electricity. Solar, wind, thermal, and other avenues of generation are way too expensive..
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give the charge to GS members of KESC/WAPDA/POLICE
for a time, Every thing should be arlight:D:
No theft/Kunda and payment of full bills is possible without the involvement of regional superintendent of Wapda ( i forgot they they use to call them)… These officials from top to bottom are involved in these activities they urge people to steel and/or how to play around with the bills!!!
If only govt. really wants to curb the theft all they have to do is to check the meters of the all the sectors… see where the loss is highest, get the sector incharge pay the losses from his pocket ( i can assure you, they can pay that)
Solar Panels are good, people in Pakistan need to install solar water heaters, these heaters are comparatively economical and will save great amount of gas and electricity…
Wow!!!
Have you reported these people?
Electricity problem can not be solved unless and until kunda system and meter adjustment is taken care of.
I know so many families in my own neighbourhood who use AC 24 hours and a KESC guy come and take a fix amount of money every month from them. In one of my relatives too they don't have electricity meters in the entire building , they just give fix amount of RS 1400 every month and use as much electricity as they want. People who steal electricity use it unfairly & excessively thus putting burden on already very thaka hua electricity supplying system.
If people stop stealing and start paying bills everything will be taken care of.
My dad knows someone who lives in the same line where a very famous house of a very influential political leader is situated (in clifton)....over there load shedding never happens !
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The solution?
If there are any sincere people left in Pakistan who still wish to save this country & have any authority / power too, they must form a surveillance team of enough investigators to send out to Turbela & Mangla dam. The water is deliberately being wasted. These investigators must find out who is wasting water of these dams & why the generation has dropped so much from mid-end of March onwards.
Ofcourse there is some agenda of whoever is doing this.........
To crush Pakistani industries hence economy at the fastest pace before the elections so incase the new government is any better than the current one, they would be able to do nothing to fix the mess?
To make Pakistani nation suffer? Efforts at making Pakistan worse than an african country as burqa repteadly mentioned here many times that he would hate to see Pakistan become like one so they are making the reality worse than his fear? We all know that Pakistan's situation right now is worse than any african country.
To 'punish' Pakistani nation by making living in their homes like living in caves?
To cause some kind bloody (kyrgyzstan like) revolution which would have more & more Pakistani muslims lives wasted (Just like OBL was made to meet the same objective) so there are even lesser remaning to fight against the lucifier?
Spread more depression in Pakistani society as that's the ultimate psychological outcome of this heavy load-shedding.
The agenda could be all of the above but the question is WHO wants to do this to Pakistani nation? Can someone tell me which nation in the world has the most amount of 'bughz', jealousy & hatred for Pakistani people? Yes you guessed it.
So if there are still any loyal Pakistanis with a bit of authority to take an action as per what I suggested, an immediate 24 hours surveillance & observation of water generation & usage (intentional wastage) of Turbela & mangla dam has to be made on priority basis. And this time, the foreign terrorists on Pak soil & the traitors of Pakistan must be penalized such that no foreign agent would ever dream of placing their feet on Pak soil again in the future & no Pakistani would ever think of damaging this country's resources to please his money masters.
There must be no crook or greedy one in this team of investigators because obviously those behind this heinous plan to meet above mentioned objectives would try to buy all of any one from this team too so that the truth is never known.
Let's see what we find with this.
- Don't vote PPP in the next elections.
that never matters. elections are always rigged