Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Mawlid mubarik to everyone!
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
^ arent you a bit early on that ? 
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
^we should celebrate the birth of the Prophet (PBUH) everyday.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
This is very interesting b/c I remember reading somewhere that when Prophet SAW used to lead prayers he used to recite small surahs because he did wanted people standing too long, but when he prayed alone he prayed all night long. Pakistani mullahs and their followers are completely opposite of that.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
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Brother Vroom** Neither am I arguing for a start . Nor am I not a prolific poster here.
Tell me, how did the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) honour/celebrate his day of birth?
Did he honour/celebrate the day, Monday or was he honouring/celebrating the DATE he was born? 12th Rabi Awal as you do.
There is no authentic record of him honouring/celebrating the Date the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was born on, whatever date that be i.e. 12th Rabi Al Awal.
If you and those like you really want honour/celebrate/rejoice at the Birth of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) than you and those like you should follow his example and fast on Mondays –
That is all that he did and those who were with him followed suit.
Believe me, when I say this, only very few very sincere believers do follow the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and fast on Mondays.
Even more few from those who claim with loud voices to be from the ‘Lovers of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) follow his example and fast on Mondays.
Fasting is tough and feasting is joyfully easy!
Following are the ahadith about fasting on Mondays
*Hadrat Abu Qatadah (r.a.) reported: ‘The Messenger of Allah (saws) was asked about fasting on Mondays. He (saws) said, "That is the day on which I was born and the day on which I received Revelation..``’Related by Muslim.
First Revelation was received on Monday and it coincided with the 17th Ramadan.
Narrated by Aisha: Allah’s Messenger (saws) used to fast on Mondays and Thursdays. **Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2055 **
Narrated by Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet (saws) said: ‘A man’s deeds are presented (to Allah The Most Exalted) on Mondays and Thursdays and I prefer that I should be observing fast when my deeds are presented.’** Related by Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 1261and Nasa’i.***
Do you notice any mention of ‘birthday celebrations’ in the above hadith?
Fasting? Yes!!!
Fasting is tough and feasting is joyfully easy!
Abu Qatada Ansari (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) was asked about fasting on Monday, whereupon he said: It is (the day) when I was born and revelation was sent down to me. (Muslim, Book-6, Fasting, Hadith-2606).
This hadith states that all that we are allowed to do is keep a fast on every Monday, this is a weekly cycle, and there is no yearly cycle associated with the blessed Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) birthday.
These blessed ayahs have nothing to do with Mawlid – And people’s rejoicing is to do with “Allah’s munificence and upon His mercy”
Please don’t twist and misinterpret Quranic ayahs to mislead others and first of all yourself in the first place.
These blessed ayahs have nothing to do with Mawlid – And people’s rejoicing is to do with “Allah’s munificence and upon His mercy”
Please don’t twist and misinterpret Quranic ayahs to mislead others and first of all yourself in the first place.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Were these ‘poetry gatherings’ an annual event on 12th Rabi ul awal? Just like Muslims Celebrate Eid ul Fitr and Eid Al-Adha?
See the following hadith:
It was authentically reported that Anas ibn Maalik (ra) narrated that when the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), came to Al-Madeenah, the people had two days on which they engaged in amusement. He asked: “What are these two days (what is their significance)?” They said: “We celebrated them in the pre-Islamic era.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings be upon him), said: “Verily, Allaah has given you something better in place of them: the Day of Al-Adh-ha and the Day of Al-Fitr.” [Ahmad]
Note: the blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has stated that Allah Almighty given the believers 2 Eids – Eid Al-Adha and Eid Al-Fitr.
If there was Eid milad un Nabi at the time of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), surely he would have mentioned it here. He did not.
You are free to call anything what you like just to justify your point be it be valid or not.
You might as well construe to this gathering as Mawlid just to prove your stance but you are wrong!
Read the hadith properly with unblinkered and open mind and note the following points.
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The blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) approached his blessed Companions (May Allah Almighty be pleased with them all) who had gathered in a circle and asked them the reason they had gathered in that place.
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The reply of the blessed Companions (May Allah Almighty be pleased with them all) was that they had gathered:
a) To make dua to Allah Almighty
b) To praise Allah Almighty for guiding us on His Religion
c) And for favouring us by sending you to us
Now my dear, show me where do you get the Mawlid from? Were these blessed Companions (May Allah Almighty be pleased with them all) celebrating Mawlid as you want us to believe?
Well brother Vroom – You have NOT addressed the following!
While addressing the above to show me form Saheeh Bukhari and Saheeh Muslim any chapter or ahadith on Celebrating Mawlid on the 12th Rabi Al Awal?
Brother Vroom, you have to distinguish between gatherings to honour, praise and celebrate the Blessed life of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) celebrating his birthday on the 12th Rabi Al Awal.
And you must note that I have not judged your celebrating Mawlid as haram or Biddah.
I have asked very good scholars, who are very balanced and have no sectarian axe to grind about celebrating Mawlid on 12the Rabi Al Awal and they all have deemed to be Mubah (an action which is considered to be neither forbidden nor recommended, and thus considered neutral religiously. This is one of the degrees of approvals Ahkam (أحكام) in Islamic Shar’iah law. The Permissible (mubah) entails neither reward nor punishment. Such acts are rewarded, however, if accompanied by a good intention.)
The problem is that you are pushing it as Sunnah of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) and practice of his blessed Companions (may Allah be pleased with them all).
Please don’t worry about brother** jumpyb**, he is intelligent enough and doesn’t need me to do talking for him just as you have jumped in to talk for brother Saleem!
Silence in Islam can also mean that I have made my points and I do not want carrying arguing with you endlessly in a circle.
“Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day let him speak good or remain silent.” [Bukhari and Muslim]
Assalamu Alaykum my respected sister – Indeed and not only his birth but his whole Blessed Life, every minute of His Blessed Life should be celebrated.
And convey my salaams to respected brother** Psyah **
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
I’m no expert on religious affairs but I take anything the Saudis say with a pinch of salt. Their stupidity never fails to amaze me.
I would like to see Ayotollah Khamenei fight King Salman for the Middle East Belt
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
it’s a bidd’at…period!
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Wa’alaikumuSalam brother Ibn Sadique
You probably are aware of my position but for the sake of the rest … I have always thought that the celebration of Mawlid on the 12th of Rabi’ulAwwal as an event that finishes with food as an innovation, but my take on innovation is less black and white than some people. As long as we do not deem the collective event of mawlid as part of Islam then we cannot be accused of bidd’a at least according to the criteria of the Saudis, because if that were true then they would fall over in many of the things they themselves do. As long as it can be determined that the specific aspects within the mawlid are either fard, sunnah, mustahab, then they will qualify as fulfilling those separate requirements. My friends and I celebrate Mawlid every month sometimes it is on a Thursday and sometimes on a Monday or any available day. Out of convenience we believe we need to keep the flame of love of RasoolAllah (SAW) alive in our hearts and mawlid is like a resuscitation of this … and it works - empirical evidence is present in my own example. This is why I always argue for it being permissibile (mub’ah) and that means it carries no religious value - it is hence not “eid” in Islam in that sense. “Eidain” are specifically linked to an Islamic date.
I do not celebrate anything like national days for any country because I believe their causes are futile, but to celebrate RasoolAllah (SAW) is a noble cause and it does inculcate love in our hearts. So it is no wonder that we are on remarkable synchronous understandings on this issue.
We need to learn to become people of wide tolerances some people favour caution and others favour seeking blessings.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Why are you guys comparing Muhammad (SAW)'s date of birth as an Eid?? Can’t it be possible to just commemorate it without calling it Eid? gasp that means we can have other holidays than the other two Eid’s.
I don’t see where we’re not allowed to celebrate things, but everything is frikkin biddat for saudis.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
As I said earlier anti Mawlid people and those like them, similar to them, have all sorts of misguidance, and each has a different prospective. I will again try to highlight certain common positions [anti birth DAY, not considering plain ‘‘celebration’’ as a part of Islam, and considering the Honouring and Venerating the Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam as not a part of Islam Astagfirullah]. I am not saying all these traits are apparent in Ibn Saddique but like i said earlier the anti Mawlid people use each others differing batil prospectives to further cement their own batil thoughts
Those who outright forbid Mawlid are deviants, that is for sure. Some people do not outright forbid Mawlid but are confused or have taken for themselves a position they think is comfy in the middle. The latter here is at risk of taking positions which look good in the eyes of people.
As Salam Alaikum
Lets see what we can establish? How fair is that?
Imo:
RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam honoured/celebrated His Day of Birth, 1 by Fasting, 2 by making bayan of His SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam Blessed Birth, 3 with listening to Praise of His Blessed Birth, 4 and by bringing the Quran which further celebrates the Blessed Arrival of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam including honouring the Day and other proofs
The Mawlid Sharif was celebrated by Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala, by RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam, by the Companions, and All Believers
The Mawlid Sharif was not celebrated by Ibliss [the accursed]
The above can be taken just as my opinion. I do not mind
I wish to establish birth DAYS [aka days of Birth, birthdays] in Islam. Tell me if you can accept, we can talk about it more
And peace is upon him the day he was born,…[Quran Surah Maryam 19:15]
“And peace is upon me the day I was born…" [Quran Surah Maryam 19:33]
This highlights the Days of Birth of Prophets Alaihum Salam
Honoured Birthdays are established from this
This is one day but a Birthday never the less, not re-current days [except with remembrance], not annual or weekly, simple, basic day of birth
From the Hadith:
Hadrat Abu Qatadah (r.a.) reported: ‘The Messenger of Allah (saws) was asked about fasting on Mondays. He (saws) said, "That is the day on which I was born and the day on which I received Revelation..``’Related by Muslim.
Birthday - Yes
Commemoration - Yes
Day of Birth commemoration - Yes
Weekly Commemoration - Yes
Annual Commemoration - Open to interpretation. possibilities: 1. All commemorations including say Tuesdays for example and Annual Commemorations 2. disallows annual commemoration 3. Does not limit other commemorations 4 disallows other commemorations
So what we have is Birthdays established. Birthdays of Prophets Alaihum Salam are Honoured in Islam, and the commemoration of Birthday of our Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam is Sunnah. The annual commemoration is not firmly established here unless your interpretation of the daleel is that way inclined
So:
Day of Birth: Honoured, remembered
Weekly day of Birth: Honoured, remembered
Annual Calendar Day of Birth: ?? [up to interpretation]
My personal opinion is the annual day is the same as the other Honoured Days of Birth, it is a remembrance like the others cited.
You are welcome to cite your own opinion
Further more: Other then the 2 obligatory Eids
Fridays are an Eid
A Jew who was with Ibn Abbas when he recited, “Today I have perfected for you your religion…” (5:3) remarked, “If this verse had been revealed to us we would have made it a festival.” Ibn Abbas replied, “It was revealed on a day which contained two festivals(Eids), on Friday and on the day of Arafah.”
Reference: Sunan Tirmidhi 50- BOOK OF EXEGESIS OF THE QUR’AN Chapter 6 About surah al-Maidah, Hadith no 415
One of the virtues of Friday is that on it Prophet Adam Alaihis Salam was created
The community has taken from this that it is permissible to refer to Mawlid un Nabi as an eid [day of celebration/festival]
Repeating Birth celebration of Aqiqa is Sunnah:
Imam Suyuti continues, p. 64-65, “I have derived the permissibility of Mawlid from another source of the Sunna [besides Ibn Hajar’s deduction from the hadith of Ashura'], namely, the hadith found in Bayhaqi, narrated by Anas, that "The Prophet slaughtered a aqiqa [sacrifice for newborns] for himself after he received the prophecy,” although it has been mentioned that his grandfather Abd al-Muttalib did that on the seventh day after he was born, and the aqiqa cannot be repeated.
On this it has been said:
Allama Muhammad Bin Alawai Malki have stated in his work, Houl al-IHtifal Bi Zikri Mawlid an-Nabawi Ash-Sharif:
Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Sallam after announcing his prophet hood, did his Aqeeqa, not only this, he also stood on his mim’ber sharif (pulpit) and recited his Shajra (Ancestral Tree), commemorated the birth of Hadrat Adam and Status of Hadrat Ibrahim, Hadrat Esa, Hadrat Moosa Alaihimus Salam. He ordered few of his companions to recite his praise; Many of the Companions offered poems in the prominence and praise of Syyiduna Rasoolullah, He was delighted hearing this and prayed for his companions
The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam honoured the day of His Blessed Birth, and the weekly commemoration of it.
I honour and thank Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala for the Sending of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. 12th Rabi Al Awal was the day Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala gave me such a Blessed Time with His Love. It was just an amazing day, I was alone, did not attend any functions on the day of 12th of Rabi Al Awal.
Mawlid is not restricted to 12th Rabi Al Awal, it is however a popular date for the remembrance for the Birth of The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam.
Blessed is the date, or forbidden is the date?
Blessed is the date RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam was born
In terms of Shariah fixing a date for this commemoration is permissible, even if it was not Sunnah
Ahlus Sunnah are Systematic [we fix dates for events, we call gatherings by a name], its unfortunate but this is what is required in this age
On the previous page it was you who said “…And he [SallAllahu Alaihi wa Sallam] honoured this day by fasting and he did not order anyone else to follow suit.”
Well the Sunni opinion is that Fasting on Mondays is Sunnah, and it is a Sunnah and a form of Mawlid. It does not mean that other commemorations can not take place. It is a Sunnah that is awaiting Revival among the masses but Sunnis do fast on Mondays.
Praying over food and then eating it is from our practices. Over eating is a problem, good food [aka delicious food] is a problem that we are engrossed in. This will depend from place to place, era to era however so its not a bar on Milad un Nabi, perhaps a way of perfecting some Mawlid set ups.
Fasting is a Blessing
You are here replying to the main point of my previous post which was to highlight that you had no right to negate the ‘celebration’ of Birthday by RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. I called it an assumption and a lie to say RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam ‘never’ celebrated His Blessed Birth / birthday
In the text you neither see the mention of the word ‘honoured’ nor ‘celebration’. To give Honour is a celebration
If we can say ‘honoured’ we can just as easily say ‘celebrated’. The words are synonyms of each other and celebrating birth on a day can be called celebrating Birthday
The Hadith does not say ‘all we are allowed to do is keep fast’. That is not traditional Islams understanding of what we are allowed to do, I do not mean to embarrass you but that is a salafi understanding. The Hadith text is "..Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) was asked about fasting on Monday, whereupon he said: It is (the day) when I was born and revelation was sent down to me. (Muslim, Book-6, Fasting, Hadith-2606).
I am glad you accept Birthdays [many people do not]. The Deen left us a space to make interpretation on annual [Rabi Al Awal] acknowledgement of Mawlid Sharif, the Ahlus Sunnah have chosen to Honour it.
Its not actually something that I am bringing of myself. The Community [Jamaah] and its scholars cite this verse. The Rehma in this verse includes Rehmatul lil Alameen [Mercy to the worlds], the Birth of The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam was when we received The Mercy *
Say in the bounty of Allah and His Mercy let them show joyous celebration..
I, and the community, also believe Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala showed celebration of Mawlid shareef with illumination and other signs. So in this respect we also Believe our annual celebration particularly focused during Rabi Al Awal although is a replicated re-current practice but is gained from a Sunnah of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala
The Bounty of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala and the Mercy can be both said to RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. In fact it is known in scholarly circles that this the biggest Mercy that Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala has given us. Mawlid is an occasion nobody has the right to prohibit the rejoicement of
There is no twisting or misinterpreting the Ayah to use in support of rejoicing Mawlid Shareef, can you show me how it excludes Mawlid?
Sister Hareem’s Tariqat have wrote : ..someone who persists in rejecting the permissibility of Mawlid after all the above evidence, which is based on Qur’an, Sunna, and the derivations of ahkam (rulings) from the relevant dala’il (proof-texts), can only be a blind-follower of his own ignorant and stubborn opinion. “They will pass through the religion the way the arrow passes clean through its quarry” (Bukhari and Muslim). Allah knows best, and Allah guides whomever He will*
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Questioned and mocked but this still stands unrefuted
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
The poetry gatherings praising Milad were not annual gatherings, but Mawlid as we know it brings together many Sunnats, Wajibs and Fards. These aspects are not appreciable from the outside as we generally have different understandings. The Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah have gone systematic with much of what existed in early Islam. Going systematic is a continued tradition and is fuelled by change and a need for fiqh
If you highlight Eids being two only then you will have to reject the mention of Eid of Fridays. The truth is when you show all proofs from the Sunnah is that eids [days of celebration/festivals] exist in Islam in addition to the two obligatory Eids.
The days of celebration of Islamic era are not barred
I found this understanding to be beneficial:
The blessed birth of Sayyidena Rasulullah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) is a far greater event than any other in history. All other celebrations (Eid ul Adha & Eid ul Fitr) have only been granted to us because of this celebration - the birth of the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam). Sayyidena Rasulullah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) made more than just Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha celebrations. In fact the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said Every Friday is an Eid. This means more than fifty Eids in a year. The Holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) also said the day of Arafah is an Eid. Every Friday is Eid and do you know why? Allah created Prophet Adam (Alayhissalam) on this day so it became an Eid. This day is so auspicious that on this day any prayer which is made at the time of the creation of Prophet Adam (Alayhissalam) is granted acceptance by Allah. Now think, if the creation of Prophet Adam (Alayhissalam) has blessed this day in such a way, how blessed do you think that day is when the beloved of Allah was born? [Ibn-ul-Haaj’s very famous book Al-Mawlid]
Further Allah Almighty says in the Qur’an:
Prophet Isa [May Allah bless him and grant Him peace] prayed to Allah Almighty “Oh Allah, our Lord, send down to us a tray of food from the Heavens so that it may be an occasion of Eid for us for the first and the last of us.” (Surah Al-Maaidah, Verse 114)
Imam Hakim writes that the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said “Friday is also an Eid day”. Once, in the Prophet’s time Eid came on Friday and the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said “Allah has given you two Eids today”. [Mustadrak, “Jum’ah” by Imam Haakim and summary by Imam Dhahabi].
Imam Tirmidhee writes:
“Abdullah-bin-Abbaas was reciting verse 3 of Surah Maaida, from the Qur’an. A Jew, sitting close-by heard it and said to Abdullah “If that verse which you recited, was revealed to us, we would make that day an Eid day”. Abdullah-bin-Abbas replied “When this verse was revealed, there were two Eids on that day. One of them was the Hajj day and the other Friday”. [Tirmidhee , “Tafsir”, and also Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Surah 5, Verse 3]
From the references above, it is proved that the term “Eid day” does not specifically apply to the two Eid days (Al-Fitr and Al-AdhHaa), but instead, it could be used for any Islamic holy day. This means that we can refer to “Milaad-un-Nabi” as “Eid-Milaad-un-nabi” The reality is the objectors would not mind if it was called Islamic Gathering or Peace Conference or Dawah Project but as soon as the lovers of Rasulullah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) call it Eid Milad-un-Nabi they jump on the Biddah Bandwagon. If the book written by Imam Bukhari can be called Sahih Bukhari instead of Book of Allah but yet anyone who seeks knowledge from it will be rewarded by Allah, then the gathering that has been set for the rememberance of the Habib of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) can also be named after the blessed Habib (sallallahu alaihi wasallam).
That is what we would refer to as a Mawlid gathering.
This is a Mawlid gathering ‘schedule’ [taken from earlier post]
Recite Quran
Recite naat of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam
Listen to Speeches by Ulema on The Life of The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam
Making Dua
If I get time I might have a look, I might not be able to.
The issue of negating the celebration of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam was more important. In Sha Allah you accept that we can not negate the use of the word celebration
Well there is the hadith of abu lahab being given water on Mondays because he freed Thuwaybah due to his initial happiness at the Birth of The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. This was done, as far as I am aware, on the day of birth of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam.
I do not know whether that reward for abu lahab [a kafir, who would not normally be entitled to reward] is acceptable to you. From the prospective of Ahlus Sunnah it is a confirmation that Mawlid is praiseworthy and rewarded
The Hadith meets your basic criteria
We, or Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala, have introduced the practices from the Sunnah into this systematic format that we use. We have gone systematic and made discoveries that we can not ignore, but the basic concepts are the same, or similar. So I have confidence that Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah are upon good.
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In Sha Allah they were good Sunni Scholars 
, they should recommend you a form of Mawlid that is mustahab, like gatherings and juloos, so you can celebrate Mawlid un Nabi
If you are referring people whose name I do not want to mention, i can show you proof that a focal point of their teachings considered Mawlid as mustahab, but left it anyway [for unknown reason, aqeedah[k], sect making or focus change]
There is aspects of Mawlid which are not just Sunnah but Fard, and you get Wajibs, and Sunnats associated with it. and Mustahabs, Mubahs…makruhs, harams if you go the other way too
Being Happy with the Arrival of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam is Fard, and it is a form of Mawlid.
Indeed not only [and including] His Blessed Birth
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Brother Vroom, I would rather take position which is pleasing to Allah Almighty and the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) than to look pleasing and be ‘acceptable’ to Brelvis.
Yes, it is just your opinion and not backed by any authentic proofs, just your opinion.
I agree with you that the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) “honoured/celebrated His Day of Birth, 1 by Fasting, 2 by making bayan of His SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam Blessed Birth, 3 with listening to Praise of His Blessed Birth, 4 and by bringing the Quran which further celebrates the Blessed Arrival of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam including honouring the Day and other proofs”
What the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) DID NOT DO WAS TO HONOUR/CELEBRATE 12TH Rabi Al Awal, you go and check for yourself and provide any hadith, and this you will never find it, that the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) honoured/celebrated 12th Rabi Al Awal.
You got to show us, what was honoured/celebrated by the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him):-
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Did the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) honour/celebrate Monday as a Day – (and keep in mind the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) kept this routine for every week).
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Or did the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) honour/celebrate 12TH Rabi Al Awal?
Also please answer this:
Was 12th Rabi Al Awal celebrated as ‘Eid Milad un Nabi’: -
in the times of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him),
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later in the days of his Blessed Companions (may Allah Almighty be pleased with them all)
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and later did eminent scholars of first 3 centuries follow suit?
If at all, the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had honoured the DATE OF HIS BIRTHDAY, then we would have had the exact DATE OF HIS BIRTH, wouldn’t we? And not settle for the most possible/probable/popular one, would we?
You have answered this yourself:
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Annual Commemoration - Open to interpretation. possibilities:
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My personal opinion is the annual day is the same as the other Honoured Days of Birth, it is a remembrance like the others cited.
I don’t follow Islam by my personal opinions. Full stop!
Virtue of Friday is well known from ahadith and there is blessed Surah honouring this day.
*Hadith narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “This is a day of ‘Eid that Allah has ordained for the Muslims, so whoever comes to Jumu‘ah, let him do ghusl, and if he has any perfume let him put some on, and you should use the miswaak.” *Narrated by Ibn Maajah, 1098
Friday is the best Day of the week. It is the Mothers of all days and the most virtuous in the sight of Allah.In the sight of Allah it has more greatness than Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid –ul-Adha (Reported in Ibn Majah)
From sayings of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) it is established that the Muslims have three Eids: Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha, which come once every year, and Jumu‘ah which is repeated once every week.
Did the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) name any other day as Eid?
Did the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) name the day he was born (Monday) as Eid?
Did the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) name the date was born (12th Rabi Al Awal) as Eid?
All the above will be answered in negative. Do you agree with this?
Now tell me which community has the authority to declare someday/days as Eid when the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has not done so.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
“………….even if it was not Sunnah”!!!
This explains a lot
Ahlus Sunnah?? You meant to say BRELVIS, right? You should be specific about this and don’t drag all of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama’a into Brelvism.
Yes, I still stand by what I had stated that: “he [SallAllahu Alaihi wa Sallam] honoured this day by fasting and he did not order anyone else to follow suit."
If he had ordered Muslims to follow suit then fasting of Mondays would have become fard or wajid on Muslims. I think it is Sunnat-e-Ghayr Mu’akkadah. I can be corrected on this.
As I said before very few Muslims follow this Sunnah of fasting on Mondays as Fasting is taxing.
Feasting is welcome.
Any time we eat, we should do so with Dua as proscribed by the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).
To you anything is Mawlid. Why???
“To Honour” and “To Celebrate” are not synonyms in true sense.
I tend to use the “Honour” as it carries meaning of nobleness, esteem, high regard, appreciation, recognition, veneration, awe, reverence, deference, worship Solemnity dignity nobility
‘To Celebrate’ is also okay to use but doesn’t carry the same meaning but no harm in using it. Using the word ‘honour’ is just my personal preference.
I am reading hadith as it is, by saying ‘Traditional Islam’ you mean Brelvism?
Why did not the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), his blessed Companions (may Allah Almighty be pleased with all) and all the eminent scholars of first 3 centuries not celebrate the 12th of Rabi Al Awal?
Show me when was the first time 12th Rabi Al Awal was celebrated as Eid Mawlid Sharif?
Did the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), his blessed Companions (may Allah Almighty be pleased with all) and all the eminent scholars of first 3 centuries celebrate the 12th of Rabi Al Awal?
I think by saying: “I, and the community” you mean ones from “Brelvi school of thought”.
Brother Vroom, you are just concentrating on the birth of the Blessed Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him).
Everything about the Blessed Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) is Bounty and Mercy from Allah Almighty.
His noble birth, his noble character, his entire blessed life and importantly the Noble message from Allah Almighty to whole of Mankind and Jinn are Bounty from Allah Almighty.
All the above should be honoured and celebrated.
There is trend taking shape of ‘Eid Milad un Nabi’ coming up as ‘Islamic’ equivalent to ‘Christian Xmas’.
Yes they are very good Islamic scholars, be assured of this, they give very good talks on the Blessed Seerah of the Blessed Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), his noble personality and him being a role model to be followed in all aspects life and most importantly his success in delivering the message from Almighty Allah to the Mankind and the Jinn overcoming vicious opposition and obstacles with bravery, patience, fortitude, perseverance etc etc.
And was magnanimous forgiving, noble, generous, charitable, benevolent, beneficent, great-hearted, munificent, kind etc to his adversaries once he had overcome them.
Juloos? I don’t think there were any juloos in the time of the Blessed Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) or that of his blessed Companions (may Allah Almighty be pleased them all) in the streets of Madinah al Munawara celebrating Blessed Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) birthday.
I am sure you wouldn’t fit in the talks given by these scholars as no food is served :(.
Brother Vroom – this is my last post in this thread – Enough said.
My sincere apologies as I will not respond to anything addressed specifically to me.*
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Its not Barelvis I was referring to, that was obvious. No further comment on this for the time being from me to enable us to stick to the topic but we shall find out who you are trying to please in due course.
If you question my opinion you should cite what you disagree with. Surely that is better then questioning my opinion and then quoting the bulk of it to say you agree
Above you have agreed to things which are a part of Milad celebrations, Make note of this
These two are particularly noteworthy :‘‘2 by making bayan of His SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam Blessed Birth, 3 with listening to Praise of His Blessed Birth,..’’
It is not Sunnah to celebrate on 12th Rabi Al Awal annually but the Birth of The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam was celebrated on the day He SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam was born by those delighted by it
What is proven is that 12th Rabi Al Awal being the day RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam was the occasion of celebration of the Birth of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. So you can not exactly say 12th Rabi Al Awal was not celebrated on! It was
12th Rabi Al Awal was not celebrated as Eid Milad Un Nabi, the early eminent scholars did not do so either as far as my knowledge extends. It was later scholars who said it was one of the best innovations [more on this later]
12th Rabi Al Awal is the accepted date of Birth of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. Rabi Al Awal is also the accepted Month.
Some positions are worked out over centuries with discussion and input of various scholars. 12th Rabi Al Awal being the Birth date is one of those such positions. it is solid but after much work
As far as Milad un Nabi is concerned if it is not some ones view that it was 12th Rabi Al Awal, they can celebrate in the early days of Rabi Al Awal. The day of celebration is not critical to Milad un Nabi, a celebration on a different day as is still Milad un Nabi
The Islamic calendar was initiated during the caliphate of Umar RadiAllahu Anhu, The Caliph was a Sunni :), I do not know what effect it has on the existence of 12th Rabi Al Awal. It may mean 12th Rabi Al Awal did not exist in the solid calendar form we have now since the calendar people used before that was here and there [not solid but altered regularly]
The reason for the stressing of ‘‘interpretation, possibilities and my personal opinion’’ was to leave open to you your own opinion, invite discussion.
I asked you to cite your own opinion which would have brought clarity to our differences - what is the honour of the [annual] DATE, Month of the Prophetic Birth? Answer this and you will have the answer to most of your questions. In my personal opinion [and that of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah] they are both Honourable. You cite your own view
You should judge what is not Sunnah with Shariah, not with the wrong usul that whatever is not sunnah is …[insert your opinion of Milad un Nabi here]
The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam not doing something just means that aspect of it is not Sunnah. It can still be even Obligatory, as innovations can [Im not saying Milad un Nabi on 12th Rabi Al Awal or any other day is obligatory, it is Mustahab]
I think so! There is other Eids in Islam, other then what you have stated
taken from above:
A Jew who was with Ibn Abbas when he recited, “Today I have perfected for you your religion…” (5:3) remarked, “If this verse had been revealed to us we would have made it a festival.” Ibn Abbas replied, “It was revealed on a day which contained two festivals(Eids), on Friday and on the day of Arafah.”
Reference: Sunan Tirmidhi 50- BOOK OF EXEGESIS OF THE QUR’AN Chapter 6 About surah al-Maidah, Hadith no 415
Not all the above have been answered in the negative, and your eidain have been extended no end in this regard. a day of celebration is Eid, so Milad un Nabi is Eid Milad un Nabi.
It is not Sunnah to refer to it as Eid, Milad un Nabi is Mustahab = Eid Milad un Nabi is Mustahab. Since it is a day of celebration
The community which says a day is day of celebration, that day becomes an eid for them. If it is a day of celebration it is an Eid for whichever community. The community which initiates a day of celebration is responsible, and the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah has done so [more on this later]
It does explain a lot! You are confused. This is perhaps the area where this discussion can help you the most
The traditional Islamic Shariah is:
If something is not Sunnah, does not have anything forbidding it, does not have anything supporting it - it is jaiz [mubah]
The salafi view that if it is not found in Sunnah it is najaiz is wrong, and this is the view you have expressed here. It is a bidah in itself to hold this view of yours.
Yes I meant Barelvis [Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah], We shall delve into Mawlid and Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah to see who is Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah on the issue of Mawlid. We can do this for a takfir related Shirk topic too to see who is Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah too, to really separate fakes with takfir :).
The specific point you were replying to here was fixing dates for commemoration*[we fix dates for events, we call gatherings by a name],* . That is too ridiculous to answer because of its simplicity but In Sha Allah, we can look at Mawlid on a specific date to keep on topic
A short list of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah
Notice the stress on the ‘day’
Specific day, days:
**Al Suyuti **also stated:
In light of which, one should take care to commemorate it on the day itself in order to conform to the above story of Moses and the tenth of Muharram, those who do not view the matter thus do not mind commemorating it on any other day of the month, while some have expanded its time to any of the day of the year, whatever exception may be taken at such a view.
Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Haytami said , “As Jews celebrated the day of `Ashura by fasting to thank Allah, we also have to celebrate the day of Mawlid,” and he quoted the aforementioned hadith, “When the Prophet came to Madina…” Ibn Hajar continues, “One gives thanks to Allah for the favor that He gave on a particular day either through a great good, or through the averting of a disaster. That day is celebrated every year thereafter. Thanksgiving entails various forms of worship like prostration, fast, charity, and recitation of Qur’an, and what greater good is there than the advent of that Prophet, the Prophet of Mercy , on the day of Mawlid?”
**Ibn al-Jawzi **(d. 597) wrote a booklet of poems and sira to be read at mawlid celebrations. It is entitled Mawlid al-arus and begins with the words: al-hamdu lillah al-ladhi abraza min ghurrati arusi al-hadrati subhan mustanira: “Praise be to Allah Who has manifested from the radiance of the bridegroom of His presence a lightgiving daybreak…”
Imam Abu Shama (Imam Nawawi’s shaykh) in his book Al ba’ith ala Inkar Al bida` wal hawadith (pg.23) said, “One of the best innovations in our time is what is being done every year on the Prophets birthday, such as giving charity, doing good deeds, displaying ornaments, and expressing joy, for that expresses the feelings of love and veneration for him in the hearts of those who are celebrating, and also, shows thankfulness to Allah for His bounty by sending His Messenger, the one who has been sent as a Mercy to the worlds.”
I am going to collect more…
Feeding people is a superb form of Islam, I think this is mentioned in Hadiths, so the availability of Food, and the giving of food [for which Aqeeqa was done a second time for example] is not to be objected. Praying over food is also Sunnah
You can talk about over eating but not eating in itself. The food being provided is certainly is a good thing, and a superb form of Islam
Whatever qualifies as being Mawlid is Mawlid. Any form of celebration/honouring of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam being sent to us is Mawlid
The point was you had no right to deny the celebration aspect
Barelvi and traditional Islam is one and the same.
You were saying 'all we are allowed to do is keep fast’
which frankly was wrong! plain wrong,
a NON traditional understanding
This is the same mistake you are making throughout, its an innovated [bidah dalala] salafi wahabi mistake [even if you do not consider yourself one]
You have mocked Barelvis, Usually i pay back for mocking barelvis. This time i will gift you knowledge from Barelvis [which may be hidden from you by those you trust]:
the first half hour or so explains the mistakes you are making with Sunnah and Shariah:
The FATAWA of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah when the issue arose is that it is a Good Practice [Mustahab]
Yes Brelvi [Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah] school of thought as compared to your school
You were supposed to be refuting the Use of the Quran Ayah for the celebration of Mawlid, and you have gone back to asking about 12th Rabi Al Awal and Eid Milad Un Nabi. To stay on this mini topic I will say the verse is open ended so it is an allowance to rejoice in the Bounty and Mercy. The day of Birth is one of the days to remember this Bounty and Mercy
Say In the Bounty of Allah and His Mercy let them show joyous celebration
Yes, its not just about the birth. This is one point we have gathered to argue about is due to a people who have arisen to challenge Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah on this practice.
Also the fact that traditional Beliefs and groups [aka Barelvi] are being attacked by the same people may give you the impression that it a form of unsubstantiated Islam, where as it is traditional Islam that is really the target. Traditional Islam is Barelvi and Mawlid un Nabi is from our practices, and it is in accordance with traditional understanding of the Sunnah and the rules of Islam [Shariah]
They should, and They are by Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah, this includes His Blessed Birth, and the Month and Day of it!
The two events have similarities, as we do have similarities in many things with them and others
Sounds good at this stage
Juloos will be found in Sunnah.
for example i consider this celebration a jULOOS: I hadnever seen the people of Medina so joyful as they were on the arrival of Allah’s Messenger
The people here celebrating the arrival of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam to Medina, celebrated in a similar fashion to what you may find people doing nowadays during Milad un Nabi. Just plain celebrations, on the streets, on the rooftops, poetry, merrymaking
Any way back to our shariah points - the Juloos if not found in the sunnah [if neither prohibited nor promoted] will be jaiz [this applies to any non specified juloos], but the juloos we do and since this juloos has been recommended to Muslims by Scholars with the Tazeem of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam - this juloos will be Mustahab. and that’s what I called it - Mustahab.
You did not question internal Mawlid gatherings at all. It seems the verse I quoted for celebration is what you are against. It is the celebration of the simplest peoples that annoys you, masses perhaps, perhaps just the celebration aspect of it. or perhaps the lingering influence of a bad people who were anti Mawlid
They should serve food, on many traditional Islamic events the serving of food is considered an excellent practice
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Its up to you, but i may carry on answering your points of contention
with regard to Mawlid you need to clarify where you stand
Most of the tone of these replies has been inline with what i would expect from an anti Mawlid innovator [see quote of sister Hareems tariqat for details] but you have said it is jaiz [which would be ok if talking in a jaiz or najaiz black and white form] but you then applied the classification of MUBAH to it - which is wrong because it is actually Mustahab.
You need to clarify whether the Date of Birth of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam on an annual calendar is an honourable day, whether the month is an honourable month due to the Birth of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
I object to you referring to 1. Mawlid as jaiz [mubah] and saying it carries no religious value - it is actually Mustahab and that is clear. It can provide a person substitute Farz
2. Milad un Nabi is a day of celebration and aka an eid [Eid Milad un Nabi].
3. Some people who favour caution? I think you mean those who refer to Mawlid as a Bidah Dalala, I’ll let Sister Hareem’s Tariqat [who i think this article emanates from] do the talking: ..someone who persists in rejecting the permissibility of Mawlid after all the above evidence, which is based on Qur’an, Sunna, and the derivations of ahkam (rulings) from the relevant dala’il (proof-texts), can only be a blind-follower of his own ignorant and stubborn opinion. “They will pass through the religion the way the arrow passes clean through its quarry” (Bukhari and Muslim). Allah knows best, and Allah guides whomever He will
Meaning they are khawarij!
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Peace brother vroom
- I attend many mawlid celebrations in the year, alhumdulillah
- I do not restrict them to one date in the Islamic calendar - and the hadith that states there are 2 Eids - how would you interpret that hadith?
- I do not reject the permissibility of mawlid as stated in the article but rather I called it exactly that permissible … Rather, it’s status as mustahab is on a case by case basis such that on a particular occasion if good things are being done then that particular event was good, but if bad things are being done, then no … unlike Eidain, which are allocated days of celebration - in Islamic Shari’ah.
And even if we disagree - in the sense that you say it is of one category and I say it is of another then the matter becomes one of difference of opinion. My position states that it is general bidd’a, but it is a good one. Islamically it is mubah - and to call it anything else is a bidd’a - a reprehensible one. (i.e. the act of calling it something that it is not is the bidda’). Your opinion is different quite clearly. You are clearly calling the actual celebration of Mawlid on 12th of Rabi’ulAwwal not only mustahab but an Eid as well. So if that is the case are Eids classified as mustahab? They are not … Eid prayer to perform it in the community of Muslims is fard al kafaya. For convenience if 12th of Rabi’ul-Awwal is set as a date for celebration then that is okay and the Eidain have a special prayer attached to them, that is what makes them Eidain too.
And this is where others are going to continue opposing you … I personally don’t mind what you call it … However, I do mind that you feel the need to undermine my position when clearly I am an advocate of mawlid.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
the issues: 1. Mawlid as jaiz [mubah] and saying it carries no religious value
2. negating the Eid from Eid Milad un Nabi
3. Wide tolerances and people who prefer caution. basically defending the khawarij and their propaganda against Mawlid
It should be remembered Mustahab are not Sunnah. They are recommended. It is a category for where recommended Bidah hasana can exist! Meaning Bidah is a part of Islam, that is why you see Imams recommending things which were not done by The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. They must be in accordance with Islam to become Hasana, and their recommendation makes them Mustahab. I am saying this because many internet sites, and the groups behind them, will give the impression that anything not done during the first three centuries is a Bidah Dalala [bad innovation]. The existence of this category [mustahab] itself is a refutation of them
Salam
well done, With All praise to Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala the issue was not how many Mawlid [no religious value] celebrations you attend with your synchronosos but whether Mawlid is Mustahab as i say or jaiz with no religious value as you say
The category of Mustahab [meaning recommended] or jaiz [permissible] is in question
We can establish whether Mawlid is mustahab or not by looking at its recommended-ness
We can establish whether Mawlid then loses its Mustahab status to become just jaiz [permissible] with impermissible acts, or permissible acts.
The defunct logic in your reasoning here is worrying
You have misunderstood the issue about restricting to one day. The day of Birth of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam is an honoured day
Imam Suyuti here refers to honouring the day [Birthday] of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam, the issue of restriction can be appreciated from this quote:
**Al Suyuti also stated:
In light of which, one should take care to commemorate it on the day itself in order to conform to the above story of Moses and the tenth of Muharram, those who do not view the matter thus do not mind commemorating it on any other day of the month, while some have expanded its time to any of the day of the year, whatever exception may be taken at such a view.
**Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Haytami said , “As Jews celebrated the day of `Ashura by fasting to thank Allah, we also have to celebrate the day of Mawlid,” and he quoted the aforementioned hadith, “When the Prophet came to Madina…” Ibn Hajar continues, “One gives thanks to Allah for the favor that He gave on a particular day either through a great good, or through the averting of a disaster. That day is celebrated every year thereafter. Thanksgiving entails various forms of worship like prostration, fast, charity, and recitation of Qur’an, and what greater good is there than the advent of that Prophet, the Prophet of Mercy , on the day of Mawlid?”
******Imam Abu Shama (Imam Nawawi’s shaykh) in his book Al ba’ith ala Inkar Al bida` wal hawadith (pg.23) said, “One of the best innovations in our time is what is being done every year on the Prophets birthday, such as giving charity, doing good deeds, displaying ornaments, and expressing joy, for that expresses the feelings of love and veneration for him in the hearts of those who are celebrating, and also, shows thankfulness to Allah for His bounty by sending His Messenger, the one who has been sent as a Mercy to the worlds.”
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We have more then two Eids, the community has vouched for this. The Hadiths do not restrict Eids to two days, and you know all of this. So if you are temporarily going ahul hadith on us..there is a problem, and you are fabricating/covering something knowingly and intentionally
The two Eids mentioned in the Hadith have been stated by commentators to be Obligatory, must be marked as Eids. The Eids do not restrict other Islamic days of celebration [Eids] in any case.
Its pretty obvious you do not reject the permissibility of Mawlid. The dividing factor stated in the quote was the permissibility. So those who deny permissibility are people like the khawarij, but that does not mean the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah are tackling these people so we can establish Mawlid as jaiz with no religious value. Mawlid is recommended [mustahab]. Most of the attention of Ahlus Sunnah articles on Mawlid are aimed at answering people who totally and utterly deny Mawlid [have hatred for it even], the answering of these points to guide them towards accepting Mawlid as permissible at a minimum is not a Sunni position, but is a position closer to Sunni
‘‘if bad things are being done then no’’ - so if bad things are being done Mawlid gets demoted from Mustahab to jaiz[permissible]! No what is permissible remains permissible and what is Mustahab remains mustahab, what is impermissible remains impermissible, and what is commemorated with impermissible things is itself impermissible [Na-jaiz]
Mawlid is Mustahab, and if you want to bring ‘bad things’ into the equation - it is impermissible not permissible as you say
In this case, If I accept your reasoning, one of us is upon bidda’ - but we shall see which one of us it is. I said Mawlid is Mustahab, and you said Mawlid is jaiz with no religious value
I know who the biddatti is right now, because I know how recommended [Mustahab] Mawlid is
Eid [day of celebration/festival] Milad un Nabi is a Mustahab occasion and it has a special act of worship attached to it
If additional eids were not allowed then Milad would be impermissible altogether because it is a day of celebration [Eid]
Eids are of two categories Compulsory and Non compulsory - from the latter Mustahab Eid can exist - This is my understanding
On Islamicacademy.org page of Imam Al-Suyutis work on Mawlid they relate a story which i believe is a translation of Imam Al-Suyutis work, and it goes:
Kamal Adfiri states in “al-Tali al-Sa’id” that his reliable and trustworthy friend Nasir al-Din Mahmud Ibn al-'Imad related that Abu al-Tayyib Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim al-Sibti al-Maliki, a resident of Tus and one of the pious Ulama, used to pass by the Madrassah on the birthday of the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and say, “O Jurist! Today is the day of Eid. Give the students a holiday and send them home”. Thus they used to give them a holiday and send them home.This is evidence of his confirmation and absence of rejection. This gentlemen was a famous Jurist of the Maliki School of Law, who had a command over many branches of knowledge and was a God-conscious and pious elder. Abu Hayyan and others have transmitted narrations from him. He passed away in the year 695 A.H. [end of quote]
This quote as an introduction to the Eid in Eid Milad un Nabi. I do not think the two imams mentioned here knew what you know about the need to censure the ‘Eid’ in Eid Milad un Nabi- I am assuming it has been translated correctly. i have seen many quotes on Eid Milad un Nabi that I may need to dig up, including the fact that the people and its Imams today do not refrain from referring to it as an Eid. This is an evidence
In fact Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah defend Eid in Eid Milad un Nabi
This is my quick guide to Mawlid proofs Commemorating the Noble Birth of the Holy Prophet
On Eid it says:
The issue of the celebrations of the noble birth of our Holy Prophet Mohammed [SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam] sparks much debate and questions are raised as to whether it is correct or otherwise to observe it. Indeed a lot has been argued on this subject, hence the need to clarify why Muslims from all over the world celebrate this occasion as an “Eid” (literally meaning happy occasion or festival).
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The other issue of whether this should be called an “Eid” or not, is very simple. The two Eids mentioned in the Ahadeeth are the COMPULSORY Eids – and on which specific types of worship must be undertaken (Eid Prayers, Sacrifice etc.), and on which Fasting is prohibited.
The other type of Eid is NOT COMPULSORY – for example any day on which a great favour was bestowed by Allah (every Friday of every week, the day of Ashura celebrated by the Holy Prophet [SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam] , the day of descent of the Holy Qur’an, the day of the last Qur’anic revelation, the day the table-spread “al Maidah” was sent down, etc.). Muslims all over the world commemorate this Eid, as the latter type. [end of quote]
Not necessarily despite your dj’ing to a corner, the nafs of the opposing people is against Mawlid. So your setting them a tactic in slight support of Mawlid is not ideal, the arguments I have countered are belonging to a people who reject Mawlid. You do not reject Mawlid, but your positions are reprehensible in light of Islamic discussion and reflection within Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah over the centuries