Egyptian grand mufti says Muslims can convert to other religions

Egyptian grand mufti says Muslims can convert

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=84053

CAIRO: Egypt’s official religious adviser has ruled that Muslims are free to change their faith as it is a matter between an individual and God, in a move which could have far-reaching implications for the country’s Christians. “The essential question before us is can a person who is Muslim choose a religion other than Islam? The answer is yes, they can,” Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa said in a posting on a Washington Post-Newsweek forum picked up by the Egyptian press on Tuesday.

“The act of abandoning one’s religion is a sin punishable by God on the Day of Judgment. If the case in question is one of merely rejecting one’s faith, then there is no worldly punishment,” he wrote.

In many Muslim societies, converts to other religions are considered apostates and can be subject to capital punishment.

Gomaa said that if the conversions undermine the “foundations of society” then it must be dealt with by the judicial system, without elaborating.

Attempts by Muslims in Egypt to convert to other religions have been hindered by the state’s refusal to recognize the change in official documents and in some cases have led to arrests and imprisonment.
“Even though it is not a criminal offense in Egypt, they get detained under emergency laws or are put on trial for contempt of religion if they wish to convert,” said Hossam Bahgat of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights.

“This [ruling] is significant, especially coming from Gomaa,” he added.

“Between 2004 and now there have been many court cases involving Christian converts to Islam that want to convert back to Christianity who are unable to do so,” said Bahgat, who is involved with a case of 12 former Copts who converted to Islam and are now trying to revert.

A spokesman for Dar al- Iftaa, the body headed by Gomaa which is responsible for issuing religious opinions, maintained that the mufti’s stance has not changed.

“The posting is consistent with the mufti’s past fatwas,” he told AFP. “Apostasy is only punishable when it is considered akin to subversion.”

The issue of apostasy is a thorny one in the Islamic world, with one extremist interpretation declaring that apostates should be killed.

“The punishment for apostasy is controversial,” judge Ahmad Mekky, the deputy head of Egypt’s Supreme Court, told AFP. “There is nothing in any Koranic text about this.”

The case of the 12 Copts, whose request to revert was denied by a lower court in April, goes in front of the Supreme Court in September, and Bahgat said they will use Gomaa’s posting to bolster their case.
“Gomaa is a civil servant, the top religious adviser of the state, and technically speaking the deputy justice minister,” he said. “So his views on the matter carry authority.”

Comment:

It seems the Government scholars are getting worse by the day, initially they justified non-Islamic ruling, then American bases in the Muslim lands and now this fatwa.

I wonder how they would feel if a family member became a Christian, Jew, Hindu etc?

And where is the evidence from the Quran and Sunnah to allow such actions?

Also will these apostates be accounted by Allah on the day of judgement or will they be judged based upon how much of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism they followed?

Can people leave Islam and become atheists or satanists?

And can Muslims especially women marry these non-Muslims?

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What I don't get it why does this become an issue? I could, at this very moment, start worshipping another religion, and unless I honk about it, no one would really know except God.

How do these people manage to get themselves arrested? If its a matter of wanting to change paperwork, its silly. Keep yourself as a muslim on paperwork, and chances are the law will protect you better in a muslim country.

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Mostly muslim clerics present Surah al-Nisa'i (4:137) in proof of above mentioned claim , which says that even Multiple renunciations of faith is not a jurisdiction for earthly powers but will be dealt by Allah alone on day of qayamat . ‘‘Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way’’. Surah 4. Women , ayahat 137 ].

They could be right if we see it in light of this ayat where Quran says : *"There is no compulsion in religion." *(2:257)

Allah knows better .

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The scholars who keep declaring that apostacy is punishable by death fail to realize that no one can be forced to believe something. Belief comes from the heart not actions or verbal declarations. My personal opinion has always been apostacy solely is not subject to capital punishment. If it is done with intent to harm muslims then it has a totally different dimension. Apostacy is a crime against Allah SWT. Apostacy accompanied with treason is a crime to harm muslims and subject to judicial law prevelant in the muslim society. What more could you do to an apostate by killing him when he has already eternally condemned himself/herself. In fact you are limiting his chances of ever re-thinking his decision and come back to Islam. Threatening to kill him will not change his heart but will corrupt it more with malice for muslims. Hudood are applicable when the society needs to be saved from the harm of a person. Remember whether Islam stays or perishes on this earth it does not harm Allah SWT. Islam is for our benefit. If you don't want to benefit from it then its your problem. If you want to harm us then it is our problem.

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http://archive.gulfnews.com/region/Egypt/10141696.html

Ali Goma’a denies ‘freedom to choose religion’ comment

By Ramadan Al Sherbini, Correspondent

Cairo: Egypt’s top cleric yesterday denied in a statement that he had said a Muslim can give up his faith without punishment.

Ali Goma’a, the mufti of Egypt, was quoted as saying in a posting on a Washington Post-Newsweek forum that Muslims are free to change their faith and this is a matter between an individual and God.

“What I actually said is that Islam prohibits a Muslim from changing his religion and that apostasy is a crime, which must be punished,” Goma’a said.

The alleged fatwa coincides with an uproar over the case of 12 Egyptians who converted to Islam from Christianity and now want to re-embrace Christianity.

“There is a campaign by secularists to distort the image of Dr Ali Goma’a,” a senior official in Al Azhar told Gulf News.

“He cannot deny punishment in this life for the apostate,” said Mustafa Al Chaka of the Islamic Research Centre.

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JazakAllah bro khanbabax.

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Yes, thank you Khanb, I was getting a heart attack just by reading the initial post

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It's really interesting to see some people decrying the religious leaders as non-iislamic. Just like they decry terrorists as non-islamic.

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A sarcasm, what a surprise

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Good news. We can not and must not alter the principles of Orthodox Islam.

Sure 'modernists' say we should alter the deen 'with the changing times' but I say who do we (as fallable humans) think we are to alter the word of G-d? Absolutely nothing.

I think it was Malcolm X who said "If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything." Being a Muslim means following the religion without worrying about what is politically correct in the changing social patterns.

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Thank you for posting that.

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This ayah is referring to someone who is already a non-Muslims and not about aposates. Prophet s.a.w, Sahabas, Fuqaha and Mufassireen also knew this ayat but they didnt intrepret it the way modernist/secularist in our times do.

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Thank you for posting that.

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I totally agree with you, even though it's a grave matter but still I find it funny why keep people in religion when they don't want to be, this will only result in the increase in the number of munafiqeen. But somehow people think it's better to have munafiqeen. My stand is always same, Islam is not a religion of some mafia goon that you can join in but cannot leave. But this is exactly what is happening.

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:salam: LB

Whats happening?

Surprisingly no one has tried to answer my post …

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Murtid in Shariah law is punishable to death if does not revert to Islam in 3 days. The only condition is that this law is applicable on Muslims (or Murtid) who is living in a Islamic state, judgement and execution (if required) should be carried out by Court. SO you and me cannot go and kill a Murtid

This is it. That is Islam. Our acceptance or denial does not matter in this case. A law is a law.

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Any source from the Holy Qur'an which supports ur post ?

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I can quote a hadeeth from Bukhari, I hope that it will work

(9) Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah’s Apostle said, “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.” (Book #83](83. Blood Money (Ad-Diyat) - Sahih Al-Bukhari - 0 - 17), Hadith #17](83. Blood Money (Ad-Diyat) - Sahih Al-Bukhari - 0 - 17))

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Belief of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamat:

Belief consists of affirmation by the tongue and acceptance by the heart.
(Aqeeda e Tahaawiyya, # 62)

Allah says in the Quran:
"Say, "We have Imaan in Allah, in that which was revealed to us, what was revealed to Ibrahim a.h,...(Aal-Imraan, 84).

Also to say with the tongue is form of a testification and testification is from amongst the fundamentals of Islam, as its borne out by the Hadith of Hazrat ibn Umer r.a who reported from Nabi s.a.w: "Islam is based upon five things - testification that there is no deity but Allah and that Muhammed s.a.w is the Rasool of Allah." Testification with the tongue is also from amongst the requisites of Imaan and it is an ordered thing, so that one's Imaan may become manifest. Hence the source and base of Imaam is the heart, and the tongue is the interpreter thereof in this World.

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Salam,

On one side we have order of Prophet s.a.w (which is un-recited Wahi), Ijma and actions of Sahabas and the Salaf and other side personal opinions? Islam is not the name of personal opinion. If everyone start giving their personal opinions, we will have more than 1 billion Islams.