Egypt removes wahabi/salafi literature

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Better love Jews than those dogs of hell.

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why dont you support sisi as he is doing same what you wish? some other sectarian stuff stops you supporting him?
and you think you are a thinker.

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Getting personal, are we? Ran out of anymore arguments, have we? lol

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In context as you say only clueless people get attracted by salfis and non-taqleedis. I wonder how much you think beyond what your shaikh allows to you? Just subscription to a shaikh means you are absolutely on right path?
Let alone sisi, is your attitude any different than ISIS as you have been suggesting hang to death for MBH?

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Brother ajazali

I don't support banning any religious material. However, on investigation the material being banned in Egypt is nuanced with political and violent ideas ... which does the religious angle no justice. However, the mass propagation of certain ways of thought should be kept to a minimum and the material content however should be reserved for true scholarly studies. So I would advocate control of religious material not a complete ban. Some types of information in the hands of some types of minds becomes dangerous.

You still have not seemed to work out my concern earlier ... I'll spell it out for you inshaAllah ... you used the word "fiqah" to explain the difference between your own position and Sufis - that shows you do not understand tassuwwuf. So I'll clarify it for you inshaAllah.

Just like there are schools of 'aqeedah (belief), there are madhabs that deal with Shari'ah (fiqh/fiqah), there are also spiritual schools for those who accept them and they are called the tariqahs. It is quite possible, in fact necessary for a Sufi to follow a school of fiqh such as Shaf'i or Hanafi whilst at the same time following a given spiritual school or understanding.

Taqlid is about following a given school's opinion completely. Taqlid can be done by non Sufis - say of the Hanafi madhab. Likewise, some Sufic people i.e. those who practice the sciences of raising their spiritual condition may not be following any particular tariqah - such people are hence non-taqlidis in tassawwuf.

There are many Muslims around the world and the ones in Egypt who generally support the army are secular non-denominational Muslims. They will repeat the rhetoric of any group based on their exposure to them. They will be the sort that go to masajid on a Friday and hear the sermons and leave without knowing or being concerned with the particular orientation of the speakers. They are not Sufis. If you want to count the Sufis count the ulema amongst them, because there are many Muslims who accept the Sufi scholars but don't "follow" them in the sense they don't join their way. They are merely pro-tassuwwuf people who accept the validity of this science as being part of the 3 dimensions of Islam. Others who do not accept it are either not aware of it, are misinformed about it, or have their own affiliations with other groups that necessitate rejecting the Sufis on various grounds. Usually misunderstandings that are intentionally inserted to maintain difference on political grounds. (Personal opinion). There are more than just 3 orders Salafis vs Ikhwanis vs Sufis is too simplistic a picture to paint. The majority of Muslims are not notably any of these ... they are just there living their Muslim lives without affiliation or rejection of any group but may harbour slight preferences for either one. Traditionally speaking Sufis are unlike Salafis and Ikhwanis because they are not a reactionary group of people - they don't have a political power slant on Islamic life.

I hope you see clearly now the issues I have with your previous post ... my position as a person who has taken to following the aqeedah school of Maturidi, the fiqah of the Hanafi madhab, and the tariqah of Shadhiliyya - has no bearing on how I view the Ikhwanis and the Ikhwanis are a mixture of people too. The main driver for them is to establish an Islamic state (by violent means if necessary). I am of the opinion that Muslims are not ready for that as can be seen by the situation in Egypt. That is the reason why I personally would not mind Ikhwani rule - because I am comfortable with Shar'iah so long as they do not treat Sufis as deviants worthy of oppression and harm. If they allow a plurality of Islamic expression within reason as currently expressed in Al-Azhar then that is okay.

In terms of governments that are Sufi leaning then look to Morocco, Turkey, and Chechniya ... Look to Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan as secular states comfortable with Sufi practices. Look Egypt, Yemen, Jordan, Oman, Syria, Iraq, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Algeria, Tunisia, India, Russia where a permanent Sufi and traditional diaspora are present. Sufis of Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE are few and sporadic but have a distant history too, but their numbers fell due to certain aggressive political events in the past.

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^By saying that sufis use those ahadith for fiqh I meant... they defend their belief using those ahadith not that 'sufi' imams formulated or derived madhab from those ahadith.
I know sufis belong to different madhab. To be honest, only few people from tableeghi jamat I have seen truely chagned after joining them. But they are only a few in numbers. Sufis of other groups use to note ahadith and verse of quran on paper as out of context material and argue with people. Sufis like sister hareem is :p kidding

ok, here are few questions
Is tassuwaff all about belief and theory?
anything about practice? the only difference you mention is they are not reactionary and dont believe in political Islam, right?

Egypt as country (not govt) is not sufi leaning is a news to me.

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All terrorists need hanging whether MBH Taliban or Daesh.

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I wonder if you mind if MBH think same for you sufis.

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It's not sufis who are going around blowing themselves up and killing innocent people. Just yesterday your brothers killed Egyptian soldiers in a suicide attack.

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Banning of salafi book. Right. Well, I would try to stay away commenting whether is good or bad. But i am going to say, the idea of salafism is to follow step by step following our Sahab RA Anhuma Ajmaeen and predecessors. For some reason, salafis isolate themselves and brand everyone "non-believer" by default.

Yes it is true we all ought to be following Sunnah, Sahabah RA Ajmaeen..but lets not be hateful toward other Muslims. That just doesn't sit with me right. Althought, i grew up in Saudia Arabia pretty much. But i can't agree on hating other Muslim groups.

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A Hadith of a Companion would be called a Mawquf Hadith. It would be an evidence for all those who work with rulings and fiqh whether they aim to do taqleed or not. It would be suggestive of the positions of the Companions/Salaf

The idea that it should not be seen as an evidence is alien to me, infact i am not aware of anyone with a contradictory view on it

With regards to OP i think salafism/wahabism is here to stay but its known by all and it adherents that it is a false ideology, a weak and unacceptable path. This will force them onto softer positions but the Shirk which lurks within it will see it survive any attempts to quash it all together

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for a 'jailbreak" in a period of dictatorship of hosni Mubarak, you believe MBH need death sentences for the crime. this how your justice work, actually shameless nature to persecute others. you are taught to hate so are you doing.

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Banning books is counterproductive b/c if you want to beat any ideology you must do it with better ideas.

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Some says this

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Islamic reformation will begin with accepting the idea that a Muslim can unapologetically condemn certain Islamic doctrines.
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Don't know what they mean. Many Hindus admit caste system is problematic aspect of Hinduism but we muslims know Islam is perfect, which is why Islam is not spawning as many extremists as Hinduism.

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Bukhari: Some people from `Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them, so Allah’s Apostle (pbuh) allowed them to go to the herd of camels (given as Zakat) and they drank their milk and urine (as medicine) but they killed the shepherd and drove away all the camels. So Allah’s Apostle sent (men) in their pursuit to catch them, and they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut, and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron and they were left in the Harra (a stony place at Medina) biting the stones. (Volume 2, Book 24, Number 577)
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Some kaafir sent me this, can anyone give explanation because I'm sure there is an explanation.

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You mean Islam must be reformed because at the moment cretain aspects of Islamic theology is whats spawning so many extremists, and reformation will only begin when we accept that a Muslim can unapologetically condemn certain problematic Islamic doctrines?

Have you read this?
On Belief vs. Identity: Letter to a Young North American MuslimÂ*|Â*Ali A. Rizvi

Is this your idea of reforms? Dude, terrorism has got nothing to do with Islam.

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I'm sure death sentences Are given for more than just jailbreakins. This victim mentality of yours is dangerous....all terrorists have this sort of mentality.

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your are sure because of nothing but hate. instead sufis had victim mentality when ikhwan was in power. hypocrisy of sufis is they say they dont opt for power. where as they had complains with morsi for not sharing power with them. soon after morsi they met sisi for support, shame. then sufis think they are on the right path. i know, no other group would be more hypocrite than your type of sufis. you consider people wahabi even those that share same school of thought with you, you come from very same school of thought. another hypocrisy, just because other sufis have different take on sahaba and ahl e bait you consider them not sufis. ISIS come from you people when shia of Iraq disgraced sahaba in front you sinnis and sufis. your teachings regarding sahaba made people believe it as victimization of sunnis and encouraged people join isis. when sufis do its jihad but if others do its terrorism. as i said plain hypocrisy.

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[note] Everyone please stay calm. Lets not get personal. Thanks [/note]

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You're just angry. Go drink some thandi lassi. I don't even know what point you're trynna make dude.

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^You must know what i mean. you call hanafi people wahabi, how one could be more selfish than that? you say Al azhar fellows are not sufis who would believe you?
you do not consider them terrorists who are fighting in syria. rhetoric, some fighters are good others are terrorist, hypocrisy.